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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Trump Cult members do not understand criminal law. Let's review some of the facts.

  • The FISA warrant had to undergo multiple layers of checks within the FBI
  • Four different federal judges signed off on the warrant
  • Those judges are not going to sign off on a warrant which does not establish probable cause
  • At least 12 pages were redacted from the FOIA release of information
  • How anyone can draw conclusions without knowing what key information was redacted, proves ignorance of the law and they lack common sense.

It's what the trump Cult does.....let's see.....let's pick one point here and another one here.  Now let's ignore the rest and draw conclusions.  What a joke!!!


We shall see if the FISA warrants hold up under scrutiny of the courts. I suspect they will but I am still amazed that the Republicans are saying Trump is guilty but we should ignore the evidence. 

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Trump Cult members do not understand criminal law. Let's review some of the facts.

  • The FISA warrant had to undergo multiple layers of checks within the FBI
  • Four different federal judges signed off on the warrant
  • Those judges are not going to sign off on a warrant which does not establish probable cause
  • At least 12 pages were redacted from the FOIA release of information
  • How anyone can draw conclusions without knowing what key information was redacted, proves ignorance of the law and they lack common sense.

It's what the trump Cult does.....let's see.....let's pick one point here and another one here.  Now let's ignore the rest and draw conclusions.  What a joke!!!


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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Another problem for Republicans is that, not only was there other incriminating evidence presented the FISA court besides the Steele dossier but FISA wiretap warrants must be renewed every few weeks based on whether they are producing actionable information. The FISA warrant was renewed. 

 

This puts the Trump camp in the position of saying "Yes I am guilty but you should throw out the evidence".  Hardly a good position for the formerly Law and Order Republican party. 

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Supposedly, the dirty dossier was NOT the only piece of evidence that convinced the judge to issue a FISA warrant, yet no one has been privy to any other evidence except the Steele Dossier that the Clinton Foundation funded. I wonder if the spying on Trump BEFORE election was done with ONLY the dossier and the "rest of the evidence" is NON EXISTANT!


If you were a member of the FBI, Justice Department or FISA judge involved in the case you would be privy to all the information. The warrant that was released provides information sufficient to determine that there was more information used to anyone who can read and understand the English language.


The warrant that was issued was based on the Clinton Foundation paid for dossier and that's it! For those that claim otherwise, put up or shut up! The FBI and DOJ was run by a bunch of Obama liberals who wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face.


Some people on here, when they are told that black is really white, believe it.  Here is a link to Politifact.  You will notice that it says the dossier was used to SOME (not all) extent.  You can apologize any time.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/23/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-sa...


From your left wing propaganda Politalie: ""The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok," the House Intelligence Committee’s GOP members wrote in a Feb. 2 memo." You can apologize any time!!

 

There is nothing there (Emporer's New Clothes) to justify the warrant except the "dossier".


The Papadopoulos investigation is NOT the same as the Carter Page FISA warrant.  You still have not addressed why you think "some" means the same as "all".  Like easyed and rk before you, you need to look up what is needed for a warrant, probable cause is not the same as beyond a reasonable doubt (not even close).


Probable cause which is not the Steele Dossier solely. The left needs to learn the law.


The FISA warrant is about Carter Page.  His connection to the Trump Campaign is that he was working for it.  If probable cause was not solely the dossier (which it was not) that means there was other information used to grant the warrant.  What are you complaining about?  I agree that somebody on here needs to learn the law.


The FISA warrant was issued (solely) based on the dossier and it allowed spying on Trump pre election to dig up any dirt (if possible) as an insurance policy in case your gal Hillary lost the election. Now that you agree that you need to learn the law, do some research!


You really do believe black is white when somebody tells you.  YOU need to do the research and then explain to the rest of us how the word "SOME" is the same as word "ALL".  Since I know you are mistaken n this point, the one who needs to research is YOU since you seem to have many mistaken beliefs.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:


The FISA warrant was issued (solely) based on the dossier and it allowed spying on Trump pre election to dig up any dirt (if possible) as an insurance policy in case your gal Hillary lost the election. Now that you agree that you need to learn the law, do some research!


You might want to read the FISA warrant information that was released. It shows that your contention is false.

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Probable cause which is not the Steele Dossier solely. The left needs to learn the law.


That is what 'the left' has been saying!

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Trump Cult members do not understand criminal law. Let's review some of the facts.

  • The FISA warrant had to undergo multiple layers of checks within the FBI
  • Four different federal judges signed off on the warrant
  • Those judges are not going to sign off on a warrant which does not establish probable cause
  • At least 12 pages were redacted from the FOIA release of information
  • How anyone can draw conclusions without knowing what key information was redacted, proves ignorance of the law and it shows they lack common sense.
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@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:


Supposedly, the dirty dossier was NOT the only piece of evidence that convinced the judge to issue a FISA warrant, yet no one has been privy to any other evidence except the Steele Dossier that the Clinton Foundation funded. I wonder if the spying on Trump BEFORE election was done with ONLY the dossier and the "rest of the evidence" is NON EXISTANT!


If you were a member of the FBI, Justice Department or FISA judge involved in the case you would be privy to all the information. The warrant that was released provides information sufficient to determine that there was more information used to anyone who can read and understand the English language.


The warrant that was issued was based on the Clinton Foundation paid for dossier and that's it! For those that claim otherwise, put up or shut up! The FBI and DOJ was run by a bunch of Obama liberals who wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face.


Some people on here, when they are told that black is really white, believe it.  Here is a link to Politifact.  You will notice that it says the dossier was used to SOME (not all) extent.  You can apologize any time.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/23/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-sa...


From your left wing propaganda Politalie: ""The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok," the House Intelligence Committee’s GOP members wrote in a Feb. 2 memo." You can apologize any time!!

 

There is nothing there (Emporer's New Clothes) to justify the warrant except the "dossier".


The Papadopoulos investigation is NOT the same as the Carter Page FISA warrant.  You still have not addressed why you think "some" means the same as "all".  Like easyed and rk before you, you need to look up what is needed for a warrant, probable cause is not the same as beyond a reasonable doubt (not even close).


Probable cause which is not the Steele Dossier solely. The left needs to learn the law.


The FISA warrant is about Carter Page.  His connection to the Trump Campaign is that he was working for it.  If probable cause was not solely the dossier (which it was not) that means there was other information used to grant the warrant.  What are you complaining about?  I agree that somebody on here needs to learn the law.


The FISA warrant was issued (solely) based on the dossier and it allowed spying on Trump pre election to dig up any dirt (if possible) as an insurance policy in case your gal Hillary lost the election. Now that you agree that you need to learn the law, do some research!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:


Supposedly, the dirty dossier was NOT the only piece of evidence that convinced the judge to issue a FISA warrant, yet no one has been privy to any other evidence except the Steele Dossier that the Clinton Foundation funded. I wonder if the spying on Trump BEFORE election was done with ONLY the dossier and the "rest of the evidence" is NON EXISTANT!


If you were a member of the FBI, Justice Department or FISA judge involved in the case you would be privy to all the information. The warrant that was released provides information sufficient to determine that there was more information used to anyone who can read and understand the English language.


The warrant that was issued was based on the Clinton Foundation paid for dossier and that's it! For those that claim otherwise, put up or shut up! The FBI and DOJ was run by a bunch of Obama liberals who wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face.


Some people on here, when they are told that black is really white, believe it.  Here is a link to Politifact.  You will notice that it says the dossier was used to SOME (not all) extent.  You can apologize any time.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/23/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-sa...


From your left wing propaganda Politalie: ""The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok," the House Intelligence Committee’s GOP members wrote in a Feb. 2 memo." You can apologize any time!!

 

There is nothing there (Emporer's New Clothes) to justify the warrant except the "dossier".


The Papadopoulos investigation is NOT the same as the Carter Page FISA warrant.  You still have not addressed why you think "some" means the same as "all".  Like easyed and rk before you, you need to look up what is needed for a warrant, probable cause is not the same as beyond a reasonable doubt (not even close).


Probable cause which is not the Steele Dossier solely. The left needs to learn the law.


The FISA warrant is about Carter Page.  His connection to the Trump Campaign is that he was working for it.  If probable cause was not solely the dossier (which it was not) that means there was other information used to grant the warrant.  What are you complaining about?  I agree that somebody on here needs to learn the law.

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@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@sp362 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:

@NOTHAPPENING wrote:


Supposedly, the dirty dossier was NOT the only piece of evidence that convinced the judge to issue a FISA warrant, yet no one has been privy to any other evidence except the Steele Dossier that the Clinton Foundation funded. I wonder if the spying on Trump BEFORE election was done with ONLY the dossier and the "rest of the evidence" is NON EXISTANT!


If you were a member of the FBI, Justice Department or FISA judge involved in the case you would be privy to all the information. The warrant that was released provides information sufficient to determine that there was more information used to anyone who can read and understand the English language.


The warrant that was issued was based on the Clinton Foundation paid for dossier and that's it! For those that claim otherwise, put up or shut up! The FBI and DOJ was run by a bunch of Obama liberals who wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face.


Some people on here, when they are told that black is really white, believe it.  Here is a link to Politifact.  You will notice that it says the dossier was used to SOME (not all) extent.  You can apologize any time.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/23/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-sa...


From your left wing propaganda Politalie: ""The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok," the House Intelligence Committee’s GOP members wrote in a Feb. 2 memo." You can apologize any time!!

 

There is nothing there (Emporer's New Clothes) to justify the warrant except the "dossier".


The Papadopoulos investigation is NOT the same as the Carter Page FISA warrant.  You still have not addressed why you think "some" means the same as "all".  Like easyed and rk before you, you need to look up what is needed for a warrant, probable cause is not the same as beyond a reasonable doubt (not even close).


Probable cause which is not the Steele Dossier solely. The left needs to learn the law.

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