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Richva wrote-You also keep forgetting to mention that the Steele Dossier was not the only evidence shown the FISA court for the warrants. That the warrants were renewed based on the information being gathered (would imply guilt). 

 

Bottom like, this is much like the "Benghazi" cry where the right had no idea what they were talking about because they really, really, did not want to look. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What exactly was that "other evidence" you mention that was gathered (and did not imply guilt)? I haven`t seen anything of relevance except the dirty Dossier.   Benghazi??? You forgot that Rice ,Hillary and Obama all said it was staged because of a anti-muslim cartoon and not a planned terrorists attack. It was proved untrue and then all 3 reluctantly retracted their original statement.


Both you and RK need to research what it takes to get a warrant and what it takes to get a conviction.  The two are NOT the same.

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Richva wrote-You also keep forgetting to mention that the Steele Dossier was not the only evidence shown the FISA court for the warrants. That the warrants were renewed based on the information being gathered (would imply guilt). 

 

Bottom like, this is much like the "Benghazi" cry where the right had no idea what they were talking about because they really, really, did not want to look. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What exactly was that "other evidence" you mention that was gathered (and did not imply guilt)? I haven`t seen anything of relevance except the dirty Dossier.   Benghazi??? You forgot that Rice ,Hillary and Obama all said it was staged because of a anti-muslim cartoon and not a planned terrorists attack. It was proved untrue and then all 3 reluctantly retracted their original statement.

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Sounds like a plan. And, until that is done, the dossier is considered to have no value and cannot be used to draw conclusions or to spy on American citizens - ooops!! too late.


Sorry, nobody on this earth would expect the party-which-cannot-govern to move on this one so we will have to look at the source of the information. Christopher Steele who has an excellent reputation with all of the national law enforcement and intelligence agencies.  You also keep forgetting to mention that the Steele Dossier was not the only evidence shown the FISA court for the warrants. That the warrants were renewed based on the information being gathered (would imply guilt). 

 

Bottom like, this is much like the "Benghazi" cry where the right had no idea what they were talking about because they really, really, did not want to look. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

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Two things, first, "appears to be accurate" is inaccurate so anything based on it is not true.

 

Second, no one has a problem with "opposition research", it is a common thing in our politics. The problem is using operation research as a vehicle to get a FISA warrant to spy on the political opposition.


Please feel free to outline the portions of the Steele Dossier which you believe are not accurate.  If Congress would just appoint a special counsel to confirm or deny the research, these questions would all be answered. Wonder why they are not doing that?

Another Special Council?? We already have one. And whatever the Congress get is so heavily redacted that it's content cannot be determined. A new Council would not change that. Under the circumstances "appears to be accurate" is in accurate since there is no way to tell.

 

The FISA warrants were issued on other evidence besides the Steele Dossier. The fact that the Dossier was funded, first, by a never Trumper in the Republican party and then by the DNC is immaterial. 

Not so - Rubio had a contract with that firm, it was cancelled. Then along came Hillary.

The question is whether the facts outlined in the document can be confirmed.  I would say, from Steele's reputation, that we need to be very, very concerned about the facts in this Dossier.  Again, feel free to refute any of the facts he presented 

I am not privy to the redacted portions.


 


The had a contract with the firm and the firm hired Steele, and independent and well respected investigator. Hillary did not know who was hired as they all were keeping a firewall between her campaign and Steele's research.  If Steele's research were verified tomorrow, would you support impeachment against Trump? Well, then let's put a special council in place to see if it is valid. 

 

If you are not privy to redacted portions, HOW CAN YOU MAKE A CLAIM ABOUT THE DOSSIER? Typical RWNJ.  "I don't know anything but what I think is....."

 

Let's just send someone to find out if this stuff is true. Any problem with that?


Sounds like a plan. And, until that is done, the dossier is considered to have no value and cannot be used to draw conclusions or to spy on American citizens - ooops!! too late.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Two things, first, "appears to be accurate" is inaccurate so anything based on it is not true.

 

Second, no one has a problem with "opposition research", it is a common thing in our politics. The problem is using operation research as a vehicle to get a FISA warrant to spy on the political opposition.


Please feel free to outline the portions of the Steele Dossier which you believe are not accurate.  If Congress would just appoint a special counsel to confirm or deny the research, these questions would all be answered. Wonder why they are not doing that?

Another Special Council?? We already have one. And whatever the Congress get is so heavily redacted that it's content cannot be determined. A new Council would not change that. Under the circumstances "appears to be accurate" is in accurate since there is no way to tell.

 

The FISA warrants were issued on other evidence besides the Steele Dossier. The fact that the Dossier was funded, first, by a never Trumper in the Republican party and then by the DNC is immaterial. 

Not so - Rubio had a contract with that firm, it was cancelled. Then along came Hillary.

The question is whether the facts outlined in the document can be confirmed.  I would say, from Steele's reputation, that we need to be very, very concerned about the facts in this Dossier.  Again, feel free to refute any of the facts he presented 

I am not privy to the redacted portions.


 


The had a contract with the firm and the firm hired Steele, and independent and well respected investigator. Hillary did not know who was hired as they all were keeping a firewall between her campaign and Steele's research.  If Steele's research were verified tomorrow, would you support impeachment against Trump? Well, then let's put a special council in place to see if it is valid. 

 

If you are not privy to redacted portions, HOW CAN YOU MAKE A CLAIM ABOUT THE DOSSIER? Typical RWNJ.  "I don't know anything but what I think is....."

 

Let's just send someone to find out if this stuff is true. Any problem with that?

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easyed598:  How convenient.  Obama scandals? I listed on this board at least 25 but when you have the DOJ and FBI as wings of the DNC they were easily swept under the rug.

 

 

Ed? This may be shocking news to you, but did you know that the DOJ has been run by people TRUMP appointed since he took office? I'm giving you a chance to think up a new excuse for why TRUMP'S people haven't found anything on either Hillary or Obama. Go for it Ed. Lol

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Two things, first, "appears to be accurate" is inaccurate so anything based on it is not true.

 

Second, no one has a problem with "opposition research", it is a common thing in our politics. The problem is using operation research as a vehicle to get a FISA warrant to spy on the political opposition.


Please feel free to outline the portions of the Steele Dossier which you believe are not accurate.  If Congress would just appoint a special counsel to confirm or deny the research, these questions would all be answered. Wonder why they are not doing that?

Another Special Council?? We already have one. And whatever the Congress get is so heavily redacted that it's content cannot be determined. A new Council would not change that. Under the circumstances "appears to be accurate" is in accurate since there is no way to tell.

 

The FISA warrants were issued on other evidence besides the Steele Dossier. The fact that the Dossier was funded, first, by a never Trumper in the Republican party and then by the DNC is immaterial. 

Not so - Rubio had a contract with that firm, it was cancelled. Then along came Hillary.

The question is whether the facts outlined in the document can be confirmed.  I would say, from Steele's reputation, that we need to be very, very concerned about the facts in this Dossier.  Again, feel free to refute any of the facts he presented 

I am not privy to the redacted portions.


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

Two things, first, "appears to be accurate" is inaccurate so anything based on it is not true.

 

Second, no one has a problem with "opposition research", it is a common thing in our politics. The problem is using operation research as a vehicle to get a FISA warrant to spy on the political opposition.


Please feel free to outline the portions of the Steele Dossier which you believe are not accurate.  If Congress would just appoint a special counsel to confirm or deny the research, these questions would all be answered. Wonder why they are not doing that?

 

The FISA warrants were issued on other evidence besides the Steele Dossier. The fact that the Dossier was funded, first, by a never Trumper in the Republican party and then by the DNC is immaterial.  The question is whether the facts outlined in the document can be confirmed.  I would say, from Steele's reputation, that we need to be very, very concerned about the facts in this Dossier.  Again, feel free to refute any of the facts he presented 

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@easyed598 wrote:

37406447_1660623910732823_226865687312728064_n.jpgThe Dems will find it hard to dispute this.


C'mon, you already know that Obama did want to do something about it but the GOP Congress blocked it. First part of meme: Fake.

I dunno - ed do you "know that"? Paint do you "know that"?

 

 


 

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Republicans have a dilemma with the Steele Dossier. It appears to be accurate and they cannot call to have it investigated.  In a normal government, the Republicans would condemn the Dossier and demand that it be checked by some government agency.  Ooops.  It is accurate so having it validated by a special investigation team of outside experts would be................dreadful for them. All is not lost. They can pretend there is no way to corroborate the Dossier and their Trump Republicans will believe them (no matter what). However, on the campaign trail, that approach is going to be very, very tough to sell with independent voters. 


Two things, first, "appears to be accurate" is inaccurate so anything based on it is not true.

 

Second, no one has a problem with "opposition research", it is a common thing in our politics. The problem is using operation research as a vehicle to get a FISA warrant to spy on the political opposition.

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