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 I have accused people of operating out of blind hatred for our President - it isn't a crime, "accusing" does not make a "crime". Comey seemed quite proud of the entrapment they created.

 

Can you point to the law against entrapment thereby making it a crime? That would be a great "hint".


If you're so certain entrapment played a role in the Flynn case, then how come the case wasn't thrown out? 

Because the case hasn't been heard.

 

Was "E" the letter of the week on Trump's criminal swamp Sesame Street? The blind ignorance of Trump supporters has them stuck repeating extortion - entrapment - extortion - entrapment.

Quite childish.

 

 


 


The case hasn't been heard??? The case has been heard to the point that it's just waiting on it's sentencing. What, you think sentencing comes at the beginning before any evidence is heard? Wow. Yeah, "quite childish" describes your comments.

 

There was only negotiations between the opposing attorneys.

 

If you don't like "childish" to the point you have to go schoolyard with, "Oh yeah, well you are too" avoid nonsense about Sesame Street "and "criminal swamp".

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rk9152:   Is there anything he did other than falling into Stzrok's trap that he did for which you'd like to "LOCK HIM UP"?

 

 

Hilarious. Your whole shtick consists of corrupt and biased villains entrapping and/or extorting your heroes who are totally innocent. Pathetic.


Try to control the giggles long enough to consider - what would you like to "LOCK HIM UP" for other than falling into Strzoks trap?

 

No villains, no heroes, no pathetic, just a basic question between us guys  (generic).

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rk9152:   For what crime do you want to "LOCK HIM UP"? And please, not lying to the FBI (they had the transcripts so it was obvious entrapment). Surely there is something else - what is it?

 

 

Yes, there is something else. Flynn was too clever by half and thought he could get away with lying to the FBI. There was never any entrapment and non-delusional people understand that.

 

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The GOPerbots are attempting to make it sound like Flynn's conviction of lying to the FBI was some clever semantic trap. But here's what really happened, per transcripts released by Mueller in responce to Flynn's attempt to make it seem he was somehow entrapped by the interviewers.

In the interview, Flynn told FBI agents he did not talk with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about post-election sanctions by the Obama administration.

But in his guilty plea, Flynn admitted to asking the Russians to hold off on responding to the sanctions. Also in the plea, he admitted to calling a senior official on the Trump transition team in December 2016 to discuss sanctions.

 

FBI agents asked him about the U.S. expulsion of Russian diplomats and the closing of Russian properties and if he had encouraged Kislyak not to retaliate. The FBI specifically asked him about a call he made in December 2016 to Kislyak when Flynn was on vacation with his wife in the Dominican Republic.

"Flynn responded, 'Not really. I don't remember.' It wasn't, 'Don't do anything,'" the 302 memo said.

But the FBI knew otherwise, and in the charging document against Flynn, Flynn admitted he asked Kislyak to “refrain from escalating the situation.”

Flynn also admitted to discussing his calls with Kislyak with other unnamed members of the Trump transition team.

As for the second lie, the 302 describes how Flynn told the FBI he did not press Russia to vote one way on a United Nations Security Council resolution dealing with Israel.

Flynn told FBI agents that he called officials in several countries in December 2016, including Israel and the United Kingdom, and possibly Russia.

When pressed whether he asked Kislyak to vote one way or another, Flynn said “No” and that “his calls were about asking where countries would stand on a vote, not any requests of, ‘Hey, if you do this ...’”

But in his guilty plea, Flynn said that transition officials with Trump’s team in December 2016 had him work to get Russia to vote against the resolution.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan ordered the memos released earlier Monday, citing public interest.

The memo also details Flynn’s interactions with some Russian officials and trips he made to the country — events that date back to 2013, when he was part of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

In a court filing last Tuesday, lawyers for Flynn offered no explanation about why he lied to the FBI about the conversations, but instead portrayed himself as a victim of tactics used by FBI agents who tricked him into lying.

In that filing, they said Flynn was interviewed without a lawyer and was not told in advance that lying to the FBI was a federal crime.

In response, Mueller’s team said Friday in a memo that Flynn was given multiple chances by the agents who questioned him to correct the false statements he made.

"The interview was voluntary, and lacked any indicia of coercion," said Mueller’s team, adding that “nothing about the way the interview was arranged or conducted caused the defendant to make false statements to the FBI."

 

 

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This thread is about the article written by the Editorial Board and the WSJ.  To the best of my knowledge "Jim" was never mentioned in the article.

 

Do you have any thoughts on the content of the article?

 

 


In my opinion, is is more important to know the state of mind of the people that have made the decision to follow Trump and his policies, and how their mind work, in the light of what he says, his attempts to picture his own truth and the fact that we have a President that is proving completely incapable of governing. and now with this last tweet, it seems that his alliance with Russia seems more of a coincidence.

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The only people who incredibly believe Flynn was entrapped by the FBI are Trump Cult members. Everyone else, including Michael Flynn himself, realize he's a very sophisticated man who was the National Security Advisor.

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I'm sure the Special Prosecution team has had a lot of " friendly discussions ".


I doubt it. Comey's words seemed to indicate this was the exception.


When Flynns lawyers heard who the Judge would be U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan they were elated because His Honor had a long reputation of intollerance toward prosecutorial misconduct.

 

But when the Judge Sullivan read the current Republican line, he went ballistic, spent a great deal of time reading each individual charge, and pointedly asking Flynn if he understood at that time lying to the FBI was a crime, and waiting until Flynn replied, "Yes, I did know lying to the FBI was a crime."

 

The Judge then told Flynn he was a disgrace to his career, his uniform and his country and informed Flynn he was having his passport seized and that Flynn was not to travel more than 50 miles from Washington DC. Then His Honor said going to wait to see how Flynn behaved in cooperating with Mueller for the next 90 days, and he was definately considering having him serve jail time for his crimes, despite what Mueller had recommended because of how Flynn attacked the FBI and tried to mitigate his numerous crimes.

 

LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP - and unlike Flynn's chant at the Rebublican Convention, there's a whole list of actual felony crimes Flynn committed to justify LOCKING HIM UP


Is there anything he did other than falling into Stzrok's trap that he did for which you'd like to "LOCK HIM UP"?


I guess that in your mind pleading guilty and further admitting in court that he knew he was committing a crime when he did it somehow makes him innocent because the mean guys asked him a question they already knew the answer to. Using that ‘defense’ would mean that any time a suspect is asked a question, even his name, the case should be thrown out because of ‘entrapment’.


For what crime do you want to "LOCK HIM UP"? And please, not lying to the FBI (they had the transcripts so it was obvious entrapment). Surely there is something else - what is it?

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 I have accused people of operating out of blind hatred for our President - it isn't a crime, "accusing" does not make a "crime". Comey seemed quite proud of the entrapment they created.

 

Can you point to the law against entrapment thereby making it a crime? That would be a great "hint".


If you're so certain entrapment played a role in the Flynn case, then how come the case wasn't thrown out? 

Because the case hasn't been heard.

 

Was "E" the letter of the week on Trump's criminal swamp Sesame Street? The blind ignorance of Trump supporters has them stuck repeating extortion - entrapment - extortion - entrapment.

Quite childish.

 

 


 


The case hasn't been heard??? The case has been heard to the point that it's just waiting on it's sentencing. What, you think sentencing comes at the beginning before any evidence is heard? Wow. Yeah, "quite childish" describes your comments.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (11 pages of lies and growing)
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rk9152:   Is there anything he did other than falling into Stzrok's trap that he did for which you'd like to "LOCK HIM UP"?

 

 

Hilarious. Your whole shtick consists of corrupt and biased villains entrapping and/or extorting your heroes who are totally innocent. Pathetic.

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@rk9152 wrote:

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I'm sure the Special Prosecution team has had a lot of " friendly discussions ".


I doubt it. Comey's words seemed to indicate this was the exception.


When Flynns lawyers heard who the Judge would be U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan they were elated because His Honor had a long reputation of intollerance toward prosecutorial misconduct.

 

But when the Judge Sullivan read the current Republican line, he went ballistic, spent a great deal of time reading each individual charge, and pointedly asking Flynn if he understood at that time lying to the FBI was a crime, and waiting until Flynn replied, "Yes, I did know lying to the FBI was a crime."

 

The Judge then told Flynn he was a disgrace to his career, his uniform and his country and informed Flynn he was having his passport seized and that Flynn was not to travel more than 50 miles from Washington DC. Then His Honor said going to wait to see how Flynn behaved in cooperating with Mueller for the next 90 days, and he was definately considering having him serve jail time for his crimes, despite what Mueller had recommended because of how Flynn attacked the FBI and tried to mitigate his numerous crimes.

 

LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP - and unlike Flynn's chant at the Rebublican Convention, there's a whole list of actual felony crimes Flynn committed to justify LOCKING HIM UP


Is there anything he did other than falling into Stzrok's trap that he did for which you'd like to "LOCK HIM UP"?


I guess that in your mind pleading guilty and further admitting in court that he knew he was committing a crime when he did it somehow makes him innocent because the mean guys asked him a question they already knew the answer to. Using that ‘defense’ would mean that any time a suspect is asked a question, even his name, the case should be thrown out because of ‘entrapment’.

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