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    Interestingly, the GOP wannabees and a lot of GOP legislators are demanding an end to refugees and yet are more than willing to trust corporations about bringing in foreigners via the H!B process and don't seem to mind the hypocrisy...what an educated individual would never ever be a plant....only people sneaking across some elusive border...or come on a plane for vacation or education visa.   

 

     Some here can't seem to grasp their own lack of logic as they seek to rant and rave about things while  their own party is voting  YEA.    

 

      The "unintended consequence" thought is never considered.   Why, I don't know.

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@afisher wrote:

    Interestingly and obviously missed by the RW - that GOP have just voted to increase the number and length of H1-b Visa's....at least that is what the RW site is saying:   http://www.triadconservative.com/2015/12/tillis-pushing-bill-to-replace-americans-with-foreign-worke...

 

     But then some RW never bother with facts when a rant is so much easier.   


Another RW dirty little secret. There are PLENTY of highly qualified STEM workers in America, BUT they know how much they're worth and they are demanding a fair compensation for their considerable talents. GOPerLords HATE that - it makes them give back some of the profits their workers created, so they do what GOPerLords have done for generations - they bring in waves of immigrants willing to work for MUCH less than Americans who can do the same jobs.

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    Interestingly and obviously missed by the RW - that GOP have just voted to increase the number and length of H1-b Visa's....at least that is what the RW site is saying:   http://www.triadconservative.com/2015/12/tillis-pushing-bill-to-replace-americans-with-foreign-worke...

 

     But then some RW never bother with facts when a rant is so much easier.   

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There are a variety of other measures available for public consumption. These are neither secret nor complicated and are available on the labor department website. The one you are ranting about is the one most commonly used and has been the traditional measure.  If you change it, you are not comparing apples to apples anymore. 

 

Go to the website and find a measurement you feel is more accurate. 

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".... You begin with the assertion that unemployment numbers haven't improved under Obama. Are you serious? Where have you been these past seven years?....".

    You're both correct. Mainstream media only gives the 'official' numbers and reports very little about the underlying numbers. That is, we do have more jobs, but we primarily have more low-paying jobs. We have huge numbers of people not counted (BLS stats attempt to 'guesstimate' at that). We have huge numbers of recent college grads not working at all, or not making enough to move out of parents basement (they are uncounted). We have large numbers of 50+ not working. Labor participation rate is still at historic lows. Housing had a couple of upper bumbs, but still remains a problem. New households are not being formed. Spending is way down. 

   We did have a record number of people on foodstamps --- no argument. It's dropped, a bit. Household debt was at a record high, but dropped. Why? Because of default rather than repayment.

   I won't keep on. The overall point is that the economy is very complex, and people discuss it, very badly, by using three or four stats and trying to make a point. You have to look at everything --- wage growth, hours worked, household debt -- especially student debt, household spending, savings, underemployment, etc.   One also needs to understand all the LEI's, how they interact, sometimes conflict.

  


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Olderscout66 wrote:

Amazing! The folks at Heritage Fraudation locate an obscure statistic that hasn't ever been used (because it tells us nothing) to assess the economy that makes President Obama look almost as bad as jrbush, and every GOPerdupe in sight is reprinting the tripe.

 

Here's the metric that has been in use for the last half century, and it clearly demonstrates ho jr and the GOPers trashed the economy for the middle class:

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

 

Series Id:           LNS13000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:        (Seas) Unemployment Level
Labor force status:  Unemployed
Type of data:        Number in thousands
Age:                 16 years and over

 

 

 

Remember, until 2010, the country was stagnating under jrbush budgets. Note also jr NEVER got the unemployment down to the level when he usurped the White House. Remember, point on the graph are of little value - what you need to look at are the trends, the movement of the point.


 

 

 

 

EXACTLY..............this is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. If these numbers took place under Bush or a GOP Prez, we all know the Conservs on these AARP threads, as well as pundits like Limblahhhhhh, Beck, etc., and Fox Noise, would be in orgasmic ecstasy. 

 

BUT, those things DIDN'T HAPPEN under a GOP Prez. In fact, in 2008, it was almost 10%.

 

OOOOOPS!......Woman Very Happy

 

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

 

Data extracted on: December 5, 2015 (10:46:10 PM)

 

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

 

2008................7.3

2009................9.9

2015................5.0

 

 

 

http://forums.fingerlakes1.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1469514

 

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What a bizarre screed, honeybadger. Why did you resurrect this thread? You begin with the assertion that unemployment numbers haven't improved under Obama. Are you serious? Where have you been these past seven years?

 

Then you repeat every myth in the far right mythology. No one is "on the dole" for generations--perhaps you haven't heard of welfare reform? Most people who receive government aid in the form of food stamps or other programs are working. Their work ethic is as good as yours. You do not know countless young people who have chosen to "cruise and enjoy their relaxful (sic) lifestyle." Please.

 

I'm amazed at what comes out of the rightwing bubble.

 

 

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Interesting. I remember when the right gleefully pointed at France's official unemployment numbers at the turn of this century to prove that socialism doesn't work. France, as it happens, keeps everyone on the unemployment list, regardless of how long they've been on.

 

Now the right is using our methodology to try to rain on the good numbers we've been experiencing. Our methodology has always been to drop people from the unemployment rolls after a certain amount of time. Nothing has changed. What were the unemployment figures when Bush left office?

 

These are good numbers, and welcome news. It doesn't mean that we've solved all our economic problems. It doesn't mean that good middle-class jobs aren't being exported. It just means that the unemployment numbers are going down.

 

Obama has done a good job with the economy. Give him credit, Jim.

 

 

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No, the unemployment figures have NOT improved under the current administration.  They have only been better hidden/distorted.  There are more people on  the dole now, than ever.  All those on government assistance are NOT included in their numbers.  The welfare state continues to grow, especially for those families that have been on it for decades, if not a generation.  I know so many young people (18-30) who have now chosen to do the same.  "Why work, when I can be compensated for not being able to find a job", is what they say.  It's pathetic.  Because if you watch their lifestyle...they DON'T want to work...they just want to cruise and enjoy their relaxful lifestyle.

There is NO work ethic among many of the young, when they know they can get free money.  It's so like the European and ghetto concept of entitlement.  They feel deserving of everything, just because they don't get a "fair chance" or are "misunderstood in their beliefs".  Our grandparents never acted this way or demonstrated this attitude.  So, I disagree with those who feel the numbers have gotten better.  Sorry about that, but it's true.

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