Reply
Honored Social Butterfly

Ted Cruz says Trump 'won't capitulate' over $5B demand, enough for 215 miles of border wall

BY Todd J. Gillman

 

WASHINGTON — Homeland Security officials laid out the stakes in the budget brinkmanship that threatens a partial government shutdown late Friday: the $5 billion the House has approved for a border wall would be enough for about 215 miles of barrier.

 

Less than half of that — about 100 miles, mostly in South Texas — would be frontier that doesn't already have a fence.

Homeland Security ,

The rest would go to replace older, less-effective fencing or to build secondary fencing.

President Donald Trump threatened to veto any stopgap spending measure that didn't include $5 billion for a wall. With Republicans poised to lose control of the House in two weeks, any leverage he has will quickly disappear.

 

"We're totally prepared for a very long shutdown. And this is our only chance that we'll ever have," Trump said at a ceremony for his signing of a criminal justice overhaul.

 

Sen. Ted Cruz lauded Trump for digging in, calling the demand "very reasonable."

"I commend the president for standing strong on securing the border," he said, "and I hope we don't see the Democrats play partisan politics and force us into a shutdown."

 

"He doesn't intend to capitulate. He's not going to," the Texas Republican told reporters at the Capitol.

Trump tried unsuccessfully to cajole Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to scrap the traditional filibuster rule — using a simple majority of 51 votes to sidestep the need for 60 — to make it easier to get the wall funding approved.

 

President Donald Trump signed criminal justice overhaul measures in the Oval Office on December 21, 2018. At right, in beard, is Sen. Ted Cruz.  Photo by Olivier Douliery/ Abaca Press(Olivier Douliery/TNS)
President Donald Trump signed criminal justice overhaul measures in the Oval Office on December 21, 2018. At right, in beard, is Sen. Ted Cruz.  Photo by Olivier Douliery/ Abaca Press
(Olivier Douliery/TNS)
 

Support for the wall is tepid in the Senate, and at least 60 senators oppose the so-called nuclear option of changing the filibuster rule, including McConnell.

 

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, the majority whip, said Trump's demand to end the filibuster reflects "a desire for immediate gratification without regard for long-term consequences."

Trump insisted that drugs are pouring over the southwest border and that human trafficking is "at all-time worst in history." Ten days earlier, in a remarkable televised White House confrontation with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, the incoming House speaker, Trump said he would be "proud to shut down the government for border security ... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down."

 

But on Friday, after the House approved $5 billion in wall funding in a party-line vote, Trump sought to shift the blame. 

 

"It's really up to the Democrats, totally up to the Democrats, as to whether or not we have a shutdown," Trump said. Arguing that illegal immigration costs the United States $285 billion annually, he said: "The wall will pay for itself on a monthly basis. I mean, literally, every month it pays for itself. So we're talking about small amounts of money."

 

Cruz brushed aside Trump's embrace of any blame for a shutdown, saying his "proud" comment was predicated on Pelosi's erroneous forecast that the House wouldn't approve wall funding.

Now, Cruz said, the onus is on Schumer, and "his plan B is to draw an unreasonable line, insist we leave our border unsecured and then shut the government for as long as it takes to cause the president to capitulate."

 

Senior officials from the Homeland Security Department briefed journalists Friday afternoon on what the proposed $5 billion could accomplish.

Their estimate of 215 miles' worth of new and replacement fencing works out to more than $23 million a mile, on average.

 

That's far higher than the nearly 700 miles of barrier already in place along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border. Most of that was authorized under President George W. Bush, in the Secure Fences Act of 2006.

 

The Government Accountability Office issued a report in 2009 that put the initial cost per mile at $2.8 to $3.9 million. But that was in urban areas, where roads were already in place.

Some of the replacement fencing installed during the Trump administration has cost about $8 million a mile. The more remote the area, the higher the cost.

 

Homeland Security officials insisted that comparisons are inappropriate.

"Every mile of border is different," said one official. "It depends on the terrain" and other factors.

Since Trump took office, Congress has approved $341 million for 40 miles of replacement fencing and new gates in San Diego, New Mexico and West Texas, plus gates in the Rio Grande Valley to close gaps between existing fence. Of that, 34 miles is complete.

 

Earlier this year, Congress provided an additional $1.375 billion for about 84 miles of new and replacement border barrier.

 

That includes levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, with construction expected to start in February, plus some new wall construction in that area of South Texas, along with replacement barrier in Arizona and California.

 

About $500 million in contracts have been awarded, and $500 million more could be finalized in coming weeks, officials said.

 

Homeland Security officials wouldn't discuss the priorities for new construction but have provided plans to Congress. Officials who spoke with reporters on Friday said the top priorities are in South Texas, segments around Laredo, Yuma, Ariz., and El Centro, Calif.

 

Most of the new construction would be bollard fencing — steel slats similar to the fencing already in place, though taller. Officials said that the prototypes built near San Diego provided some lessons and that certain design elements would be incorporated to improve reinforcement and fortification

When Congress authorized wall funding earlier this year, it restricted construction to designs already in use.

It's unclear how much of the $5 billion would go to land acquisition, including costs to condemn property when landowners refuse to sell.

 

"Eminent domain is always an option. Eminent domain is a tool in our toolbox," said one senior Homeland Security official. "People would have a very difficult time finding a more public use for property than defending the United States' borders."

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/12/21/much-border-wall-5b-buy-215-miles-half-already-f...

 

 

VIMTSTL
0 Kudos
437 Views
33
Report
Honored Social Butterfly

What is still open and running:

Air traffic control, the TSA and Amtrak

Air traffic control and officers with the Transportation Security Administration will keep working in order to keep air travel running. Amtrak trains will also continue to operate as usual.

 

Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

 

People will continue to receive their Social Security checks, and Medicare and Medicaid will not be interrupted. However, new applicants to these programs might experience a delay before approval.

 

The military

 

U.S. military operations will continue around the world. The budget for the Department of Defense has already been approved.

 

Border security

 

Customs and border agents will continue working along the border and at ports of entry.

 

The Mueller investigation

 

Special counsel Robert Mueller's office, which is looking into Russia influence on the 2016 campaign, is "funded from a permanent indefinite appropriation and would be unaffected in the event of a shutdown ... The appropriation bills before Congress do not touch the (special counsel's office)," a spokesman for the special counsel's office told CNN.

 

U.S. Postal Service

 

Post offices will remain open, and deliveries will continue during the shutdown.

 

Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo

 

The Smithsonian Institution tweeted that it will continue operation of its museums, research centers and the National Zoo through Jan. 1.

NORAD Santa Tracker

 

The military says its famous Santa tracker won't be slowed down by the shutdown because it is run by volunteers and funded by the Department of Defense's budget that was approved earlier this year, according to The Associated Press.

 

What will be affected by the government shutdown:

 

National parks

Some national parks will remain open but may reduce staffing. Facilities such as restrooms may be closed.

"At Yellowstone, Yosemite and many other major parks, the park service announced it would keep the access to parklands open, but many services, including restrooms, trash removal, some visitors centers and snow removal, would cease," The Guardianreports.

Other parks and monuments, such as the Fort McHenry National Monument in Maryland and the Fort Pulaski National Monument in Georgia, will be closed.

 

Small-business owners

 

Small Business Administration guarantees to back loans will freeze for some business owners.

"Due to the lapse of government funding, SBA will remain inactive until further notice. We apologize for any inconveniences and we look forward to assisting you when we return," the agency posted on Facebook.

"Without workers there to process 7(a) loan applications, which help startups obtain financing, small business owners are forced to find capital elsewhere or wait until Congress and President Trump reach a budget agreement," USA Today reports.

 

State and local farm service centers

 

Those operated by the Agriculture Department will be closed, meaning that no staff will be able to assist farmers in signing up for programs under the farm bill recently approved by Congress, The Tennessean reports. The Farm Service Agency assists farmers, ranchers and agricultural partners through delivering U.S. agricultural programs.

 

Housing programs

 

Enforcement of fair housing, issuance of new development grants and housing quality inspections will be delayed. Loans for new homebuyers could also stall.

 

Crime victims and violence against women

 

"After about one week of a shutdown, the state Department of Commerce would stop getting federal reimbursement for programs that include helping crime victims, stopping sexual violence against women and preventing sexual assault," The Seattle Times reports.

 

Funding for the Violence Against Women Act has also stopped with the government shutdown.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/23/679652640/how-the-partial-government-shutdown-could-impact-you

 

What the American People Want:

 

Safety for themselves and family

 

A fair tax system

 

A safe enviornment

 

A functional Congress

 

A balanced budget for the country

 

A civil society

 

For fellow citizens to stop the nit picking

 

A check on Political Correctness

 

A grassroots movement has sprouted by people that are willing to put their own money where their mouth is.  They are calling for the government to provide the funding for border security and they are raising cash money to donate toward that very purpose.  I donated to this Go Fund Me Project.

 

Screen Shot 2018-12-24 at 7.28.53 AM.png

 

 

 

 

 

VIMTSTL
0 Kudos
563 Views
1
Report
Honored Social Butterfly


@jimc91 wrote:

What is still open and running:

Air traffic control, the TSA and Amtrak

Air traffic control and officers with the Transportation Security Administration will keep working in order to keep air travel running. Amtrak trains will also continue to operate as usual.

 

Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

 

People will continue to receive their Social Security checks, and Medicare and Medicaid will not be interrupted. However, new applicants to these programs might experience a delay before approval.

 

The military

 

U.S. military operations will continue around the world. The budget for the Department of Defense has already been approved.

 

Border security

 

Customs and border agents will continue working along the border and at ports of entry.

 

The Mueller investigation

 

Special counsel Robert Mueller's office, which is looking into Russia influence on the 2016 campaign, is "funded from a permanent indefinite appropriation and would be unaffected in the event of a shutdown ... The appropriation bills before Congress do not touch the (special counsel's office)," a spokesman for the special counsel's office told CNN.

 

U.S. Postal Service

 

Post offices will remain open, and deliveries will continue during the shutdown.

 

Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo

 

The Smithsonian Institution tweeted that it will continue operation of its museums, research centers and the National Zoo through Jan. 1.

NORAD Santa Tracker

 

The military says its famous Santa tracker won't be slowed down by the shutdown because it is run by volunteers and funded by the Department of Defense's budget that was approved earlier this year, according to The Associated Press.

 

What will be affected by the government shutdown:

 

National parks

Some national parks will remain open but may reduce staffing. Facilities such as restrooms may be closed.

"At Yellowstone, Yosemite and many other major parks, the park service announced it would keep the access to parklands open, but many services, including restrooms, trash removal, some visitors centers and snow removal, would cease," The Guardianreports.

Other parks and monuments, such as the Fort McHenry National Monument in Maryland and the Fort Pulaski National Monument in Georgia, will be closed.

 

Small-business owners

 

Small Business Administration guarantees to back loans will freeze for some business owners.

"Due to the lapse of government funding, SBA will remain inactive until further notice. We apologize for any inconveniences and we look forward to assisting you when we return," the agency posted on Facebook.

"Without workers there to process 7(a) loan applications, which help startups obtain financing, small business owners are forced to find capital elsewhere or wait until Congress and President Trump reach a budget agreement," USA Today reports.

 

State and local farm service centers

 

Those operated by the Agriculture Department will be closed, meaning that no staff will be able to assist farmers in signing up for programs under the farm bill recently approved by Congress, The Tennessean reports. The Farm Service Agency assists farmers, ranchers and agricultural partners through delivering U.S. agricultural programs.

 

Housing programs

 

Enforcement of fair housing, issuance of new development grants and housing quality inspections will be delayed. Loans for new homebuyers could also stall.

 

Crime victims and violence against women

 

"After about one week of a shutdown, the state Department of Commerce would stop getting federal reimbursement for programs that include helping crime victims, stopping sexual violence against women and preventing sexual assault," The Seattle Times reports.

 

Funding for the Violence Against Women Act has also stopped with the government shutdown.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/23/679652640/how-the-partial-government-shutdown-could-impact-you

 

What the American People Want:

 

Safety for themselves and family

 

A fair tax system

 

A safe enviornment

 

A functional Congress

 

A balanced budget for the country

 

A civil society

 

For fellow citizens to stop the nit picking

 

A check on Political Correctness

 

A grassroots movement has sprouted by people that are willing to put their own money where their mouth is.  They are calling for the government to provide the funding for border security and they are raising cash money to donate toward that very purpose.  I donated to this Go Fund Me Project.

 

Screen Shot 2018-12-24 at 7.28.53 AM.png

_____________________________________________

Well we see the far right enablers trying hard to keep this thread going as there must be a not of stupid stuff about to come out about Trump. Glad you gave to the wall fund. Even if it ever gets to the government you do know it has to go into the treasury for general use. You can be sure Trump will find something to use them money for to help himself. Could be a new Trump Hotel, or a parade for his amusement. The experts are really correct on what they tell us about the far right enablers.

 

 

 

 

 


 

0 Kudos
362 Views
0
Report
Honored Social Butterfly


@jimc91 wrote:

BY Todd J. Gillman

 

WASHINGTON — Homeland Security officials laid out the stakes in the budget brinkmanship that threatens a partial government shutdown late Friday: the $5 billion the House has approved for a border wall would be enough for about 215 miles of barrier.

 

Less than half of that — about 100 miles, mostly in South Texas — would be frontier that doesn't already have a fence.

Homeland Security ,

The rest would go to replace older, less-effective fencing or to build secondary fencing.

President Donald Trump threatened to veto any stopgap spending measure that didn't include $5 billion for a wall. With Republicans poised to lose control of the House in two weeks, any leverage he has will quickly disappear.

 

"We're totally prepared for a very long shutdown. And this is our only chance that we'll ever have," Trump said at a ceremony for his signing of a criminal justice overhaul.

 

Sen. Ted Cruz lauded Trump for digging in, calling the demand "very reasonable."

"I commend the president for standing strong on securing the border," he said, "and I hope we don't see the Democrats play partisan politics and force us into a shutdown."

 

"He doesn't intend to capitulate. He's not going to," the Texas Republican told reporters at the Capitol.

Trump tried unsuccessfully to cajole Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to scrap the traditional filibuster rule — using a simple majority of 51 votes to sidestep the need for 60 — to make it easier to get the wall funding approved.

 

President Donald Trump signed criminal justice overhaul measures in the Oval Office on December 21, 2018. At right, in beard, is Sen. Ted Cruz.  Photo by Olivier Douliery/ Abaca Press(Olivier Douliery/TNS)
President Donald Trump signed criminal justice overhaul measures in the Oval Office on December 21, 2018. At right, in beard, is Sen. Ted Cruz.  Photo by Olivier Douliery/ Abaca Press
(Olivier Douliery/TNS)
 

Support for the wall is tepid in the Senate, and at least 60 senators oppose the so-called nuclear option of changing the filibuster rule, including McConnell.

 

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, the majority whip, said Trump's demand to end the filibuster reflects "a desire for immediate gratification without regard for long-term consequences."

Trump insisted that drugs are pouring over the southwest border and that human trafficking is "at all-time worst in history." Ten days earlier, in a remarkable televised White House confrontation with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, the incoming House speaker, Trump said he would be "proud to shut down the government for border security ... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down."

 

But on Friday, after the House approved $5 billion in wall funding in a party-line vote, Trump sought to shift the blame. 

 

"It's really up to the Democrats, totally up to the Democrats, as to whether or not we have a shutdown," Trump said. Arguing that illegal immigration costs the United States $285 billion annually, he said: "The wall will pay for itself on a monthly basis. I mean, literally, every month it pays for itself. So we're talking about small amounts of money."

 

Cruz brushed aside Trump's embrace of any blame for a shutdown, saying his "proud" comment was predicated on Pelosi's erroneous forecast that the House wouldn't approve wall funding.

Now, Cruz said, the onus is on Schumer, and "his plan B is to draw an unreasonable line, insist we leave our border unsecured and then shut the government for as long as it takes to cause the president to capitulate."

 

Senior officials from the Homeland Security Department briefed journalists Friday afternoon on what the proposed $5 billion could accomplish.

Their estimate of 215 miles' worth of new and replacement fencing works out to more than $23 million a mile, on average.

 

That's far higher than the nearly 700 miles of barrier already in place along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border. Most of that was authorized under President George W. Bush, in the Secure Fences Act of 2006.

 

The Government Accountability Office issued a report in 2009 that put the initial cost per mile at $2.8 to $3.9 million. But that was in urban areas, where roads were already in place.

Some of the replacement fencing installed during the Trump administration has cost about $8 million a mile. The more remote the area, the higher the cost.

 

Homeland Security officials insisted that comparisons are inappropriate.

"Every mile of border is different," said one official. "It depends on the terrain" and other factors.

Since Trump took office, Congress has approved $341 million for 40 miles of replacement fencing and new gates in San Diego, New Mexico and West Texas, plus gates in the Rio Grande Valley to close gaps between existing fence. Of that, 34 miles is complete.

 

Earlier this year, Congress provided an additional $1.375 billion for about 84 miles of new and replacement border barrier.

 

That includes levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, with construction expected to start in February, plus some new wall construction in that area of South Texas, along with replacement barrier in Arizona and California.

 

About $500 million in contracts have been awarded, and $500 million more could be finalized in coming weeks, officials said.

 

Homeland Security officials wouldn't discuss the priorities for new construction but have provided plans to Congress. Officials who spoke with reporters on Friday said the top priorities are in South Texas, segments around Laredo, Yuma, Ariz., and El Centro, Calif.

 

Most of the new construction would be bollard fencing — steel slats similar to the fencing already in place, though taller. Officials said that the prototypes built near San Diego provided some lessons and that certain design elements would be incorporated to improve reinforcement and fortification

When Congress authorized wall funding earlier this year, it restricted construction to designs already in use.

It's unclear how much of the $5 billion would go to land acquisition, including costs to condemn property when landowners refuse to sell.

 

"Eminent domain is always an option. Eminent domain is a tool in our toolbox," said one senior Homeland Security official. "People would have a very difficult time finding a more public use for property than defending the United States' borders."

 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/12/21/much-border-wall-5b-buy-215-miles-half-already-f...

 

 


Why was this article posted as there have been a number of threads up covering the same material. There is nothing new in the article. Fact is it is old news. Could the purpose here be to just start another long back and forth on a subject that has been covered, but not to the liking of the far right. I think so. This is just another try at using people in a distraction so they stay away from the real news like Trump taking over the military today.

0 Kudos
401 Views
0
Report
Honored Social Butterfly

The greatest truth that Trunp has ever said it  was to call Ted Cruz  "LYINGF TED.

no name
cancel
Showing results for 
Show  only  | Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
Users
Announcements

Does AARP donate to political parties or endorse candidates?

AARP is strictly non-partisan and always has been. We never endorse or donate to candidates, political parties or political action committees.

Learn more.

AARP Members Only Games

Play members only games, like FIll Ins, Lumeno, 2048 and a collaborative, multiplayer Let's Crossword.

Play Now
AARP Members Only Games Logos
AARP Rewards

Solve Crosswords. Earn Rewards. Activate AARP Rewards to earn points for games, quizzes and videos. Redeem for deals and discounts.

Get started with AARP Rewards now!
/html/assets/Rewards-program-badge-355x224.png