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Re: Ted Cruz says Trump 'won't capitulate' over $5B demand, enough for 215 miles of border wall

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@jimc91 Yes, you have a valid point. Our country does indeed need to revamp the whole system they fold everything into....Immigration Policy.  After all, all the internal "wars"...war on drugs....war against terrorism...war on crime...war on poverty and on and on will continue to divide us, spend our tax dollars on plans that have produced nothing but division, no?

 

Why wouldn't they determine it is time now to rethink and don't reinvent the wheel? Let's take a look at how the system is broken in the process of reviewing and proper timing for immigration into this country?  Like....more PEOPLE who will be employeed....who will process the applications....who will get a speedier court date because more Judges are in place????

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Almost half of all illegal immigrants in America came here LEGALLY, but didn't leave after their VISAs expired. Even a Trump Cult member could figure out a wall will not change this.

 

Next, illegal immigration is down sharply the past few years. 

 

Next, didn't Trump promise his loyal minions that Mexico would pay for the wall, as opposed to the American taxpayer?

 

Next, almost all experts say technology and the smart use of our border agents would be far more effective than a wall.

 

Finally, think how many people we could help with that money, instead of spending it on a wall.

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A fence is a usually wooden or metal structure that encloses a yard, pasture, or other area. ... The difference between a fence and a wall is that you can almost always see through a fence, at least to some degree, while a wall is solid.   fence - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
 
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I don't care what you call it.  It's a barrier.  
 
Airports have barrier's in order to funnel people to controlled access points.  with the right documentation access is allowed, without it you are turned away.  
 
Every country in the world has borders that require people respect the laws of the land.  We are a nation of laws and these laws for the first time in quite a few years are actually being enforced and we have people that do not approve.  My comment is; You need some self examination because you are a criminal.
 
 
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The symbolism of a wall is far more important to Trump and his Cult members than what's best for America.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

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Once again the Right erroneously compares rational minded people supporting fencing and border security as "voting yes" on a wall.  There will be no wall. Building walls goes along with tyranny, isolationism, and burning people in furnaces.
Such interesting concepts. Keeping people from illegally crossing the border by a fence is "rational minded" but doing it by a wall is tyranny and isolationism. And a fence is just fine but a wall is like "burning people in furnaces" (that '30s Germany obsession again).

 


If a "fence is fine", why build a wall?  A wall symbolizes the things I said and will do nothing more than a fence will do in keeping people and or drugs from coming into the United States. That reality thing once more stings trump supporters.


I gotta tell ya, when I see a wall I do not think of people being thrown into an oven. Anyone who does should really seek help.

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How can you tell if a man who's positions are made of jello has "capitulated"?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

Once again the Right erroneously compares rational minded people supporting fencing and border security as "voting yes" on a wall.  There will be no wall. Building walls goes along with tyranny, isolationism, and burning people in furnaces.
Such interesting concepts. Keeping people from illegally crossing the border by a fence is "rational minded" but doing it by a wall is tyranny and isolationism. And a fence is just fine but a wall is like "burning people in furnaces" (that '30s Germany obsession again).

 


If a "fence is fine", why build a wall?  A wall symbolizes the things I said and will do nothing more than a fence will do in keeping people and or drugs from coming into the United States. That reality thing once more stings trump supporters.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

Once again the Right erroneously compares rational minded people supporting fencing and border security as "voting yes" on a wall.  There will be no wall. Building walls goes along with tyranny, isolationism, and burning people in furnaces.
Such interesting concepts. Keeping people from illegally crossing the border by a fence is "rational minded" but doing it by a wall is tyranny and isolationism. And a fence is just fine but a wall is like "burning people in furnaces" (that '30s Germany obsession again).

 

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This year Democrats offered $25 billion for border security. Republicans refused to consider it.

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What is still open and running:

Air traffic control, the TSA and Amtrak

Air traffic control and officers with the Transportation Security Administration will keep working in order to keep air travel running. Amtrak trains will also continue to operate as usual.

 

Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

 

People will continue to receive their Social Security checks, and Medicare and Medicaid will not be interrupted. However, new applicants to these programs might experience a delay before approval.

 

The military

 

U.S. military operations will continue around the world. The budget for the Department of Defense has already been approved.

 

Border security

 

Customs and border agents will continue working along the border and at ports of entry.

 

The Mueller investigation

 

Special counsel Robert Mueller's office, which is looking into Russia influence on the 2016 campaign, is "funded from a permanent indefinite appropriation and would be unaffected in the event of a shutdown ... The appropriation bills before Congress do not touch the (special counsel's office)," a spokesman for the special counsel's office told CNN.

 

U.S. Postal Service

 

Post offices will remain open, and deliveries will continue during the shutdown.

 

Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo

 

The Smithsonian Institution tweeted that it will continue operation of its museums, research centers and the National Zoo through Jan. 1.

NORAD Santa Tracker

 

The military says its famous Santa tracker won't be slowed down by the shutdown because it is run by volunteers and funded by the Department of Defense's budget that was approved earlier this year, according to The Associated Press.

 

What will be affected by the government shutdown:

 

National parks

Some national parks will remain open but may reduce staffing. Facilities such as restrooms may be closed.

"At Yellowstone, Yosemite and many other major parks, the park service announced it would keep the access to parklands open, but many services, including restrooms, trash removal, some visitors centers and snow removal, would cease," The Guardianreports.

Other parks and monuments, such as the Fort McHenry National Monument in Maryland and the Fort Pulaski National Monument in Georgia, will be closed.

 

Small-business owners

 

Small Business Administration guarantees to back loans will freeze for some business owners.

"Due to the lapse of government funding, SBA will remain inactive until further notice. We apologize for any inconveniences and we look forward to assisting you when we return," the agency posted on Facebook.

"Without workers there to process 7(a) loan applications, which help startups obtain financing, small business owners are forced to find capital elsewhere or wait until Congress and President Trump reach a budget agreement," USA Today reports.

 

State and local farm service centers

 

Those operated by the Agriculture Department will be closed, meaning that no staff will be able to assist farmers in signing up for programs under the farm bill recently approved by Congress, The Tennessean reports. The Farm Service Agency assists farmers, ranchers and agricultural partners through delivering U.S. agricultural programs.

 

Housing programs

 

Enforcement of fair housing, issuance of new development grants and housing quality inspections will be delayed. Loans for new homebuyers could also stall.

 

Crime victims and violence against women

 

"After about one week of a shutdown, the state Department of Commerce would stop getting federal reimbursement for programs that include helping crime victims, stopping sexual violence against women and preventing sexual assault," The Seattle Times reports.

 

Funding for the Violence Against Women Act has also stopped with the government shutdown.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/23/679652640/how-the-partial-government-shutdown-could-impact-you

 

What the American People Want:

 

Safety for themselves and family

 

A fair tax system

 

A safe enviornment

 

A functional Congress

 

A balanced budget for the country

 

A civil society

 

For fellow citizens to stop the nit picking

 

A check on Political Correctness

 

A grassroots movement has sprouted by people that are willing to put their own money where their mouth is.  They are calling for the government to provide the funding for border security and they are raising cash money to donate toward that very purpose.  I donated to this Go Fund Me Project.

 

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Well we see the far right enablers trying hard to keep this thread going as there must be a not of stupid stuff about to come out about Trump. Glad you gave to the wall fund. Even if it ever gets to the government you do know it has to go into the treasury for general use. You can be sure Trump will find something to use them money for to help himself. Could be a new Trump Hotel, or a parade for his amusement. The experts are really correct on what they tell us about the far right enablers.

 

 

 

 

 


 

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