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TRUMPS INCOME TAXES: THE SUPREMES DECIDE THIS MONTH

Wont it be nice to know where his money came from for the campaign in 2016, and why his lawyer is in prison for campaign financing crimes?

Seems to me Duetche Bank and Capital One were serious offenders via Russia backing, and Duetch bank pulled out of Moscow and Russia to protect their exposure.

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More than his campaign funds, I want the World to know how much he owes Russia - Seems the answer could be around $2Billion, which is about what his properties are worth, according to Forbes. Deutsche Bank was the only one who would lend him a dime back in the 90's and the amount they funded for his real estate scams was around $2Billion, $450Million of which he refused to repay and none of which he can now make payments on. Banks, including DB, seldom loan multiple bankrupt customers any of THEIR money, but DB was overjoyed to help Russian mob, Oligarchs and Government launder over $10Billion that was looted from Russian companies and workers, and we already know at least some of donny's real estate deals were with a Russian Oligarch trying to hide money from his exwife, something donny would be very sympathetic towards.

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This will be the first big test of the independence of the current Supreme Court.

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YES the big test......and we'll see whose side they are on.   

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JANMB posted...

YES the big test......and we'll see whose side they are on.

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And I thought that they do not and should not take sides...FYI ...


The Supreme Court functions as a last resort tribunal. Its rulings cannot be appealed. It also decides on cases dealing with the interpretation of the constitution (for example, it can overturn a law passed by Congress if it deems it unconstitutional).
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Trump and banks

.... The three appellate courts to consider the subpoena challenges have rejected Trump’s arguments.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-taxes-birth-control-and-faithless-electors-headline-sup...

 

The Supremes may simply concur with the three appellate courts' decisions.

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Trump’s taxes, birth control and ‘faithless electors’ headline Supreme Court’s historic phone arguments

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trumps-taxes-birth-control-and-faithless-electors-headline-sup...

 

May 4, 2020

During historic telephonic arguments this week and next, the U.S. Supreme Court will take up major challenges involving access to President Donald Trump’s financial records, birth control health insurance, “faithless electors” in presidential elections and the constitutionality of the federal ban on robocalls, among others.

 

The justices will hear arguments in 10 cases over the two-week period. In response to the coronavirus pandemic, the court and the lawyers in those cases will appear remotely. The nation may tune into those arguments because the justices– in another break with tradition– are providing a live audio feed to certain media outlets, who, in turn, will make the audio more widely available.

 

Week 1: Birth Control and RoboCalls

Affordable Care Act and birth control.....

 

The First Amendment and cell phones....

 

Week 2: Trump’s taxes and “faithless electors”

Trump and banks....

 

Trump’s taxes....

 

“Faithless” electors

 

LISTEN LIVE: Supreme Court hears arguments by phone

 

All of the cases on May 4, 5, 6, 11, 12 and 13, are worth listening to if you have the time and the interest. The justices’ decisions may have significant implications for the powers of the presidency and the Congress, the manner in which the nation elects its president, female workers’ access to contraceptive care, our privacy in our cell phone usage and more. Some of the most prominent Supreme Court lawyers in the country will make the arguments. The justices also will post the transcripts and audio on their website each day after the arguments.

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Trump is the first president in over 40 years who refused to voluntarily release his tax returns. Remember when his excuse was being under audit?

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There is no law that requires a candidate to provide their tax returns in order to run for President.  No law has been broken, what seems to be the problem?

 

The problem is when Congress subpoenas your taxes in the course of an investigation the law says you give up your tax returns, presidents included.

 

This is the law that has been broken according to the courts and the appeals courts. They all agree Trump is breaking the law. That's why the case is now in front of SCOTUS.

 

None of this is a secret or difficult to understand so I ask you, what seems to be the problem?

 

 

 

 

 

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There is no law that requires a candidate to provide their tax returns in order to run for President.  No law has been broken, what seems to be the problem?

 

 

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jimc91 wrote:

 

There is no law that requires a candidate to provide their tax returns in order to run for President.  No law has been broken, what seems to be the problem?

 

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That is not the issue, but nice distraction.  The issue is that there is a law against failing to comply with a subpoena issued by Congress and generated by a Congressional Investigation (presidents included).


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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@ChasKy53 wrote:

 

The issue is that there is a law against failing to comply with a subpoena issued by Congress and generated by a Congressional Investigation (presidents included).

 

 

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MY Comment:

 

We have three branches of government.  

 

The Executive branch is not under the Legislative branch.  Why do you think the congress has the power to subpoena anything it wants from the Executive branch?  

 

They failed at a recent attempt to impeach this President, the House is clearly out of control...  Separation of powers is sound government that prevents any one branch from running roughshod over the other branches.  

 

The House needs to focus on its job and let the President do his job, it's good for the American people when the 3 branches do what they were designed to do, which does not include, trying to control the President that is elected by the Voters.

 

We need Term Limits for the House and Senate just like we do for President...

 

 

 

 

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They failed at a recent attempt to impeach this President, 

 

 

Which president?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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jimc wrote:

 

The Executive branch is not under the Legislative branch.  Why do you think the congress has the power to subpoena anything it wants from the Executive branch?  

 

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Because the Constitution gives them that right in the Impeachment process.  You do want the Constitution to be followed, right? If your answer is yes then you should want tRump to comply


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The Executive branch is not under the Legislative branch. Why do you think the congress has the power to subpoena anything it wants from the Executive branch?

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Because the Constitution gives them that right in the Impeachment process. You do want the Constitution to be followed, right? If your answer is yes then you should want tRump to comply

 

The three branches of government are equal and the Constitution gives them the right to subpoena anything it wants from the Executive branch if the courts agree and the Executive Branch has a RIGHT to contest the subpoena by bringing it to ever higher courts all the way to the Supreme Court at which hands the decision lies!

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If the Supreme Court does not rule that tRump's taxes be released then the Majority of the Supreme Court has become just as corrupt as the Trump Administration.

 


Man learns from history that man learns nothing from history.
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ChasKy53

If the Supreme Court does not rule that tRump's taxes be released then the Majority of the Supreme Court has become just as corrupt as the Trump Administration.

 

 

 

I think SCOTUS will put off a ruling and I don't think they'll toss it back to the appeals courts.  The idea, I think, is to let the election in November play itself out with no interference. 

 

If they rule against Trump and he complies he'll lose the election.

 

If they rule against Trump and he still won't release his taxes, God knows what will happen.

 

If SCOTUS rules against Trump I would think the IRS would have to release his tax returns but with this administration I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it.

 

If the IRS does release his returns he'll say they were tampered with, Fox News will come up with at least three conspiracy theories supporting Trump and the Trumpettes will believe what they want to believe and the facts be dammed as usual.

 

I see no way they can rule for Trump. Congress has the right to see his returns. It's black letter law. But if they do find a way to rule for him SCOTUS will lose the respect of the majority of the American public.

 

So the only thing I think they can do is put off any ruling until after the election.

 

I hope I'm wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Social Butterfly

You could start being an American by supporting a person with dignity, transparency and ethics. Do you think that is Donald Trump? 

 

Trump has never topped Richard Nixon's approval rate and that man had the dignity to resign.

Social Butterfly

They will send it back to the lower courts to prevail.  It has to do with campaign finances, prior to Trumps inauguration, so presidential immunity does not apply.  A conviction will be pending when is orange face is defeated.

Social Butterfly

He is such a successful man, why not share his way and means to America for becoming wealthy? 

ART OF THE DEAL?

 

How much money does he owe Russia and Dutche Bank for his campaign? Show us the paper,

and if it is good for him, then I want a  dirty mortgage from Russia and Dutche bank.

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Better brace yourselves leftist communists! NO TAX RETURNS!!!! EVER! From the Greatest President in history!

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quidduo wrote:

 

Better brace yourselves leftist communists! NO TAX RETURNS!!!! EVER! From the Greatest President in history!

 

myexper reply:

 

Well, we are already aware of one return wherein Trump lost more money than any American in history. And coupled with Trump's numerous bankruptcies, including 3 Casinos where customers literally give you their money, Trump has also got to be "the Dumbest President in history"!

 

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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guidduo: 

Better brace yourselves leftist communists! NO TAX RETURNS!!!! EVER! From the Greatest President in history!

Well, first of all. Barack Obama's tax returns have already been made public so that takes care of the "greatest president in history" problem. 

 

We are talking about  Trump's tax returns, the most incompetent president in the history of America.  George W must be SOO pleased to hear that.  

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The Supremes will send it back and the lower court rulings will prevail and his accounting firms will be forced to disclose, as they are prepared to do so. Mears, etc.

 

This is a matter of his campaign finances, for which people have been sent to prison for violating.

It happened before his" presidential immunity" that he claims, and is pre-empted by his election.

 

It will reveal many facts that could be taken forward, however, as to the origins of his debt and his vulnerability to foreign sources of finance, past into the future.

 

Otherwise,  why wouldn't he just let the paperwork fly?  Afraid of something?

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