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I've noticed that anyone here who disagrees with certain posters are labeled as bigots or some other adverse label.

 

As far as tolerance I would think that even the liberal element here could be considered as intolerant as they claim those of different persuasion is.  Further I believe that some are quick to accuse others about their beliefs and opinions.  Of course this is my opinion without labeling any specific person.

 

This is why I mostly share opinions with conservatives like you and others.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


It's not necessary to come up with a different 'word' for marriage between homosexual couples. The "confusion" is only in the minds of the bigoted.


The word 'bigoted' is thrown around freely here by liberals at those who have opinions of their own, especially opinions contrary to theirs. Maybe you didn't notice.....it has nothing to do with opinions; and everything to do with tolerance of those with differing views. It's been a wonderful case study here on this forum as many have just learned the meaning of the term.  Do you think trump is tolerant of anyone that has a view other than his? 

Do you think that those who use the term "trump the chump", or call the President a Nazi or a fascist or the rest of the litany "is tolerant of anyone that has a view other than" theirs?

 

So what give you and others the right to call others bigoted when you and the liberal crowd insists that they have no right to that opinion that is different than yours? Is a racist a bigot?  Is a homophobe a bigot?  Is attacking a group of people like transgenders bigotry? Is assuming that a person who decides he/she/it is "trangendered" all of a sudden becomes a separate entity entitled to some special rights not a strange thing to label "bigot"?

 

Who is the ones that are bigoted?  Those who claim they see people as people, but never do.  They see homosexuals, Hispanics, Mid-Easterners....rapists, murders where there are none.

They see those that the left insist on labeling "Hispanic" for example as a separate entity to be thought of as other than "us" as bigots.

 

This comes back to the oft asked but never answered question - is assigning a kid to  school based on the color of his skin racist?? Before anyone hides behind the "off topic' claim - Mid-Easterners?????


 

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Perfect example of liberals disrespecting borders.

 

Perfect example of Conservatives depriving others of their personal rights and liberties.  Something most so-called Libertarians and Tea Party are against. The hypocrisy is stunning.....


Perfect example of liberals falsely pretending that "most so-called Libertarians and Tea Party" don't want locks on the doors to their homes to keep Liberals, who disrespect borders, out.

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@TxGrandpa2 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


It's not necessary to come up with a different 'word' for marriage between homosexual couples. The "confusion" is only in the minds of the bigoted.


The word 'bigoted' is thrown around freely here by liberals at those who have opinions of their own, especially opinions contrary to theirs. Maybe you didn't notice.....it has nothing to do with opinions; and everything to do with tolerance of those with differing views. It's been a wonderful case study here on this forum as many have just learned the meaning of the term.  Do you think trump is tolerant of anyone that has a view other than his? 

 

So what give you and others the right to call others bigoted when you and the liberal crowd insists that they have no right to that opinion that is different than yours? Is a racist a bigot?  Is a homophobe a bigot?  Is attacking a group of people like transgenders bigotry?

 

Who is the ones that are bigoted?  Those who claim they see people as people, but never do.  They see homosexuals, Hispanics, Mid-Easterners....rapists, murders where there are none.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:


It's not necessary to come up with a different 'word' for marriage between homosexual couples. The "confusion" is only in the minds of the bigoted.


The word 'bigoted' is thrown around freely here by liberals at those who have opinions of their own, especially opinions contrary to theirs. 

 

So what give you and others the right to call others bigoted when you and the liberal crowd insists that they have no right to that opinion that is different than yours? 

 

Who is the ones that are bigoted?  Isn't calling someone 'bigoted' a cop-out for not accepting that everyone is entitled to an opinon?

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Perfect example of liberals disrespecting borders.

 

Perfect example of Conservatives depriving others of their personal rights and liberties.  Something most so-called Libertarians and Tea Party are against. The hypocrisy is stunning.....


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@ManicProgressive wrote:

https://www.apnews.com/2a67da6515aa48e68e56cd97817b097a

      ChasKy53 wrote (in red text😞

 

“WASHINGTON (AP) — Anatomy at birth may prompt a check in the “male” or “female” box on the birth certificate — but to doctors and scientists, sex and gender aren’t always the same thing.

The Trump administration purportedly is considering defining gender as determined by sex organs at birth, which if adopted could deny certain civil rights protections to an estimated 1.4 million transgender Americans.

But variation in gender identity is a normal part of human diversity, the American Academy of Pediatrics, or AAP, stresses in a new policy that outlines how to provide supportive medical care for transgender youth.”

 

As a white male, can I receive special treatment in, for example, job searching as a black female?

But you have said many times that "we on the right only see people". In your reply you seem to see  "white", "male", "black" and "female"

Read it carefully and you will find I was referring to dealing with idiotic government programs.

 

I can understand the male/female change if the surgery is performed. But, "because I say so" just doesn't hack it.

It "just doesn't hack it" with you.  So what?

So it isn't irrational.

 

As an aside, if it isn't a physical thing - might that not make it a mental issue.

Is someone not being able to understand and accept this  "a mental issue"?

If you read it carefully you would see I was referring to the mental aspect as described in the post I was responding to.

 

If you are not going to consider context, maybe you'd best stick to "Yeah, me too" and giggling.


 


 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Everything has to be politicized these days. This one for example is an "Oh how I hate Trump" opportunity for the Prof.

 

 A while back I wrote of my experience of going to live with my brother-in-law who decided that he/she/it was really my sister-in-law with the intent of trying to maintain the relationship and understanding him/her/it. As I wrote, all was going well until he'she/it decided that he/she/it was really a goat. Hey, why not. However, discussion went down the drain. You can't get to deep into this stuff with "baaa".

 

Well, all ended well - he/she/it then decided that he/she/it was a Seminole, moved to the reservation and has lived free ever since on casino money.

 

As far as I'm concerned, anyone can live anyway they want. They want to graze in the back yard for dinner - fine. But, when it comes to official paper work - you want to change your gender, change your genitalia.


Genitalia determines sex, not gender.  Trump is doing exactly what aruzinsky seems to hate. Changing the definition of words to fit their personal political preferences.


Yet it is stated on a birth certificate. Based on the modern "whatever" approach, how can anyone tell?

 

It isn't a case of changing definitions, it is a case of ambiguous definitions.


Wrong.  There is nothng ambiguous about this definition:

 

marriage001.png

 

I hope that the new Supreme Court will define the current social contract between homosexual couples as a new word "gayriage" and restore the traditional definition of "marriage."  And, a social contract between a trans... and a non-trans is usually gayriage.  Confusion eliminated.  


It’s a legal contract. Like forming a corporation. Corporate formation requirements change all the time. No reason marriage needs to stay between a man and a woman. What does gender or sex have to do with legal rights such as inheritance or property rights?


Yes, we had such contracts for a number of years and while in need of updating, such updating was occurring. But, for some reason, the word "marriage" was appropriated. It seems more political than personal.


Does any government have the moral right to redefine any pre-existing word, that they did not originally invent, for any reason?  If so, I suggest that you petition the government to redefine all integers as zero so that you can write 2 + 2 = 0 on your income tax returns.  Or, maybe, redefine "No" as yes so that it is consensual sex when women say "No."

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Everything has to be politicized these days. This one for example is an "Oh how I hate Trump" opportunity for the Prof.

 

 A while back I wrote of my experience of going to live with my brother-in-law who decided that he/she/it was really my sister-in-law with the intent of trying to maintain the relationship and understanding him/her/it. As I wrote, all was going well until he'she/it decided that he/she/it was really a goat. Hey, why not. However, discussion went down the drain. You can't get to deep into this stuff with "baaa".

 

Well, all ended well - he/she/it then decided that he/she/it was a Seminole, moved to the reservation and has lived free ever since on casino money.

 

As far as I'm concerned, anyone can live anyway they want. They want to graze in the back yard for dinner - fine. But, when it comes to official paper work - you want to change your gender, change your genitalia.


Genitalia determines sex, not gender.  Trump is doing exactly what aruzinsky seems to hate. Changing the definition of words to fit their personal political preferences.


Yet it is stated on a birth certificate. Based on the modern "whatever" approach, how can anyone tell?

 

It isn't a case of changing definitions, it is a case of ambiguous definitions.


Wrong.  There is nothng ambiguous about this definition:

 

marriage001.png

 

I hope that the new Supreme Court will define the current social contract between homosexual couples as a new word "gayriage" and restore the traditional definition of "marriage."  And, a social contract between a trans... and a non-trans is usually gayriage.  Confusion eliminated.  


It’s a legal contract. Like forming a corporation. Corporate formation requirements change all the time. No reason marriage needs to stay between a man and a woman. What does gender or sex have to do with legal rights such as inheritance or property rights?


You can keep your little homosexual contract and all of its benefits but you have no moral right to call that homosexual contract "marriage."  And, if I meet a homosexual couple, I will call them "gayrried" and there is nothing that they, you, the ACLU or the government can do to stop me.

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

Everything has to be politicized these days. This one for example is an "Oh how I hate Trump" opportunity for the Prof.

 

 A while back I wrote of my experience of going to live with my brother-in-law who decided that he/she/it was really my sister-in-law with the intent of trying to maintain the relationship and understanding him/her/it. As I wrote, all was going well until he'she/it decided that he/she/it was really a goat. Hey, why not. However, discussion went down the drain. You can't get to deep into this stuff with "baaa".

 

Well, all ended well - he/she/it then decided that he/she/it was a Seminole, moved to the reservation and has lived free ever since on casino money.

 

As far as I'm concerned, anyone can live anyway they want. They want to graze in the back yard for dinner - fine. But, when it comes to official paper work - you want to change your gender, change your genitalia.


Genitalia determines sex, not gender.  Trump is doing exactly what aruzinsky seems to hate. Changing the definition of words to fit their personal political preferences.


Yet it is stated on a birth certificate. Based on the modern "whatever" approach, how can anyone tell?

 

It isn't a case of changing definitions, it is a case of ambiguous definitions.


Wrong.  There is nothng ambiguous about this definition:

 

marriage001.png

 

I hope that the new Supreme Court will define the current social contract between homosexual couples as a new word "gayriage" and restore the traditional definition of "marriage."  And, a social contract between a trans... and a non-trans is usually gayriage.  Confusion eliminated.  


It's not necessary to come up with a different 'word' for marriage between homosexual couples. The "confusion" is only in the minds of the bigoted.


 

So, in your mind, the people you call "bigoted" should remain confused. What percentage of the American population do you consider "bigoted" such that they should remain "confused," in your opinion?

 

The big question is whether any government has the moral right to interfere with the natural etymology of any pre-existing word for any reason. I say "no" and I will enforce my opinion with civil disobedience.

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