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First of all, no one should have their savings in the stock market. I do Options and have earned 3x my losses this year in stocks by playing the volatility indexes on our brokerage accounts (kind of like a hobby that pays well). So, it's pure gambling.To us, when we flip real estate, we buy low on liens, fix up, and sell. This is even better than sports gambling that is now legal in RI or casinos.

 

Same is true with stocks, get depressed ones like AMSC, and sell high. this stock was almost $500 a share one time but picked it up for pennies on the dollar, like $3 a share and the return is now over 3x!

 

To me, the stock market is one gigantic ponzi scheme where most companies are 20 to 100x earnings, so it's shorting and pulling out after a 20% to 40% gain. No one should have, as they keep saying, no more than 10% of your net worth in the stock market.

 

For us, it's just 3% and I am gambling on all profits made this year betting that the market will fail each day. That's how you survive a down market but if you haven't the time to short sell, do research, and do margins, then stay out of this market if you intend on buying and selling with quick profits.

 

It is set up so the average person will lose a lot of money. Banks should not be allowed to invest. That is what is happening with program trading. They are selling huge amounts of stocks, scaring the poorer people into selling and then betting on VIX and volatility indexes to make their money back and then buying their own shares back they just sold enmass and driving up the price again.

 

That makes the little guy think it is time to invest and then the banks sell and take the little guy's money all over again. Stay long term is another way to solve this problem but markets being played with by Trump and Powell is a volitity game for gamblers.

 

They never should have reversed the law on banks, which was a major cause of the great depression and market crash, to invest in the stock market. As they say, history repeats itself all over again.

 

Again, if you play short and sell on gains 20% to 40%, you will come ahead. I do long term and short term stocks depending on the news and political climate and I use a lot of software to help me along.

 

The USA government is pulling out it's old QE money just to pay interest on bonds bought by foreign countries and it can barely do that. That's why bonds are so bad. So, the monopoly game is rigged and for the banks, which are too big to fail.

 

Our country will have a depression and the stock market will lose 90% of it's value. I will totally out before that time. Those that sell stocks first, get the most back.

 

We have totally sold all our stocks. We are just playing the volatility indexes right now and the last two months have been extremely lucrative betting on a down market because Trump is an idiot!

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TomC196019 posted..

I certainly agree. I don't even live in the States but in Canada and he is stealing my retirement. I have no pension, only savings which is all in the stock market. His whacko trade ideas are killing my investments. And his lies about trade and tariffs are just outrageous


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The stock market has done very well under Trump.

The trade agreements are works in progress. I thank Trump for after years of doing nothing about the trade imbalance he is doing something..there will be winners and losers as that is what happens.


The U.S. Trade Deficit and How It Hurts the Economy
The Critical Drivers of the America's Trade Imbalance

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-trade-deficit-causes-effects-trade-partners-3306276


Two Ways the Trade Deficit Hurts the U.S. Economy
An ongoing trade deficit is detrimental to the nation’s economy because it is financed with debt. The United States can buy more than it makes because it borrows from its trading partners. It's like a party where the pizza place is willing to keep sending you pizzas and putting it on your tab. This can only continue as long as the pizzeria trusts you to repay the loan. One day, the lending countries could decide to ask America to repay the debt. On that day, the party is over.

A second concern about the trade deficit is the statement it makes about the competitiveness of the U.S. economy itself. By purchasing goods overseas for a long enough period of time, U.S. companies lose the expertise and even the factories to make those products. Just try finding a pair of shoes made in the America. As the United States loses competitiveness, it outsources more jobs, and its standard of living declines.

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If you feel the way you do you could sell your stocks and buy government bonds or buy CD's...do it know as the stock market is way up since Trump took office.
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  • Economic growth year over year is seen rising nearly 3 percent in 2018, before dropping to 2.7 percent in 2019, according to respondents to the CNBC Fed Survey.
  • Economists, money managers and strategists see the recent economic strength as temporary. And 53 percent say protectionist trade policies as the biggest threat to the economy.
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Whoever said that regarding Bush was absolutely correct.  Every single Republican President has had a recession in their first term since Teddy Roosevelt in the early 1900's, according to an analysis from Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at stock research firm CFRA. Four Republican presidents suffered through two recessions while in office and Republican President Dwight Eisenhower presided over three. Meanwhile, Democrats have largely skated past the recession quicksand. Four in five Democratic presidents saw no recessions during their terms since 1945, Stovall says.

 

Face it, Republicans are terrible at business.   And this one has to be the worst.  Who in the entire world could have 6 bankruptcies in one lifetime?

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I certainly agree.   I don't even live in the States but in Canada and he is stealing my retirement.  I have no pension, only savings which is all in the stock market.  His whacko trade ideas are killing my investments.  And his lies about trade and tariffs are just outrageous

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Mlseker's post..

KidBoy2 wrote:
nctarheel poted..

KidBoy2 wrote:

There you go again making things up.

So it continues!!
"THERE YOU GO AGAIN MAKING THINGS UP"



That is your rebuttal???????????



No facts to the contrary, no statistics to disprove anything, no nothing just.....................



"THERE YOU GO AGAIN MAKING THINGS UP"



I hope you have noticed that making a statement like that over and over ISN'T EVEN WORKING for TRUMP anymore.

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It would behoove you to understand a post before you post about it!

It was responding to Mlseker...he said "Thats what you said under Bush.".... he was baiting again.

how is that baiting? I just repeated what you said back then. but i guess being reminded of your stance could be painful. If anything, you are baiting ME.

So it begins.

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You do have the habit of posting things that I did not say and you know it..it is very telling and its baiting.

You have no idea of what i said back then.

And it continues.
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@aruzinsky wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

I was expecting the market to shoot up this morning with the ending of the gov't shutdown. But the market is still showing negative. Must be another reason. Perhaps the country's debt, as you stated. Or maybe something we don't know about, yet. Maybe some bad economic numbers are coming out soon. A rise in interest rates. I don't know what to expect.


I expect that the interest rates will rise. They have been kept at an artificially low rate for years. Throw QE into the mix and we are due for a major adjustment.


So, I assume that the interest rate of an average bank CD will rise, which is good for me because I am not heavily invested in stocks.  Meanwhile, I put my funds from expired CDs into a savings account to wait for CD rates to rise. 

 

Under Obama, a strange thing happened.  Many of the banks in my neighborhood moved from large buildings with safe deposit vaults, to small buildings without vaults.  Now, I have some big vacant buildings blighting my neighborhood and I have my safe deposit box 2 miles away instead of 200 ft.. 

 

Incidentally, under Jimmy Carter, my bank, which was 200 ft. from my house, offered an !8%, 30 year CD.  Too bad, I didn't buy it.    


you are about 2 years off. ol Dad made a killing with 18% ( i think it was more like 14 ) CD's.

So it begins.
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@KidBoy2 wrote:
nctarheel poted..

@KidBoy2 wrote:

There you go again making things up.

So it continues!!
"THERE YOU GO AGAIN MAKING THINGS UP"



That is your rebuttal???????????



No facts to the contrary, no statistics to disprove anything, no nothing just.....................



"THERE YOU GO AGAIN MAKING THINGS UP"



I hope you have noticed that making a statement like that over and over ISN'T EVEN WORKING for TRUMP anymore.

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It would behoove you to understand a post before you post about it!

It was responding to Mlseker...he said "Thats what you said under Bush.".... he was baiting again.


how is that baiting? I just repeated what you said back then. but i guess being reminded of your stance could be painful. If anything, you are baiting ME.

So it begins.
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@rk9152 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

I was expecting the market to shoot up this morning with the ending of the gov't shutdown. But the market is still showing negative. Must be another reason. Perhaps the country's debt, as you stated. Or maybe something we don't know about, yet. Maybe some bad economic numbers are coming out soon. A rise in interest rates. I don't know what to expect.


I expect that the interest rates will rise. They have been kept at an artificially low rate for years. Throw QE into the mix and we are due for a major adjustment.


So, I assume that the interest rate of an average bank CD will rise, which is good for me because I am not heavily invested in stocks.  Meanwhile, I put my funds from expired CDs into a savings account to wait for CD rates to rise. 

 

Under Obama, a strange thing happened.  Many of the banks in my neighborhood moved from large buildings with safe deposit vaults, to small buildings without vaults.  Now, I have some big vacant buildings blighting my neighborhood and I have my safe deposit box 2 miles away instead of 200 ft.. 

 

Incidentally, under Jimmy Carter, my bank, which was 200 ft. from my house, offered an !8%, 30 year CD.  Too bad, I didn't buy it.    

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I expect that the interest rates will rise. They have been kept at an artificially low rate for years. Throw QE into the mix and we are due for a major adjustment.

 

QE was used to save the economy, or so they say. If true, then Quantitative Tightening would have to have an adverse effect on the economy and the stock market. 

As The Fed unwinds its balance sheet, interest rates will likely go up, sending the market down.

Then we also have our national debt - and our private debt. Toss in income inequality and we can be headed for some rough times. This all can't be blamed on Trump - but he will be blamed.

 

 

 

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