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Because of the poster's who are fortunate enough to have a Gov't Pension, but attack our Senior's and Disabled when they fight to preserve and strengthen Social Security and Medicare by calling them " Socialists or Takers " because they suggest raising the FICA Cap , etc.

Those same Senior's and Disabled worked hard and paid their share of Taxes while able to , that helped support the Gov't Pensions. We are all in this together and I call it Gratitude and having each other's backs !

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@mandm84wrote:

Tex says "One isn't necessarily fortunate to have a pension of any sort.  One works for it."

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Whatever you say Tex that makes you feel better. I know how fortunate I am !!!


Then why do you keep complaining about these things?  I'm just enjoying what I planned for since I graduated from high school at age 17.  I haven't complained about unfortunate situations, even when we lost everything in Harvey's flood.  We rebuilt even better than ever mostly with our own funds.


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Tex says "One isn't necessarily fortunate to have a pension of any sort.  One works for it."

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Whatever you say Tex that makes you feel better. I know how fortunate I am !!!

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@mandm84wrote:

 

If you're fortunate enough to have a Public Pension , congratulations , but don't label those fighting to preserve and strengthen Social Security and Medicare - Socialist Liberal's.

We are all in this together thanks to all of our Taxpayer's.


One isn't necessarily fortunate to have a pension of any sort.  One works for it.  As for as Social Security one has to pay into it via FICA taxes.  With Medicare one has to pay monthly premiums for Part B coverage especially and one pays medicare taxes also. 

 

 


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If you're fortunate enough to have a Public Pension , congratulations , but don't label those fighting to preserve and strengthen Social Security and Medicare - Socialist Liberal's.

We are all in this together thanks to all of our Taxpayer's.

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@ManicProgressivewrote:

 

Public pensions are worth more than double that of private pensions, and most government employees have pensions. 


I have to disagree.  My younger brother is a retired IT professional and his retirement is about the same as I am drawing in six months.  As far as pensions can be withdrawn from under our feet, any lawmaker would be crazy to suggest that.  Do you realize how many retirees would vote them out in a New York minute?  No, the way they approach it is to lower benefits for future retirees like the military did last year.  They lowered military retirement by 10% for future retirees and put them on a Thrift Savings Program, but grandfathered those on active duty at the end of 2017.

 

They actually did recruits a favor because if they get out at any time before retirement, they would withdraw their savings.

 

So where do you get the idea that taxpayers are upset over government pensions? 


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Again, it doesn’t matter. They are dependent on tax payers and legislators. That pension could go away with the swoop of a pen.


To the contrary, they need to have the authorization of Congress.  And imagine every military retirees are voters.  Also you are forgetting we EARNED those benefits and they are not given gratiously.  They have been modified for future retirees to be partly contributory.  But present recepients are grandfathered.

 

But is appears that you are jealous that government workers are as entitled to retirement benefits as those working in private industry. 


That’s exactly my point. Congress are legislators. They can change the law right from under your feet. While the risk is low, it is real. Do you really trust Congress to do what’s in the public good?

 

Also, not jealous. I have a government pension, too. I’m just being realistic. Public pensions are worth more than double that of private pensions, and most government employees have pensions. In the private sector, only about 15% of workers do. The rest, if they have anything at all, have defined contribution plans like 401ks. That alone causes great animosity among taxpayers who get upset that their tax dollar is funding a much richer public sector benefit than they themselves will ever get.   So if there is ever a real battle over defunding public pensions, we pensioners are outnumbered.  And perhaps outvoted.  

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@ManicProgressivewrote:


Again, it doesn’t matter. They are dependent on tax payers and legislators. That pension could go away with the swoop of a pen.


To the contrary, they need to have the authorization of Congress.  And imagine every military retirees are voters.  Also you are forgetting we EARNED those benefits and they are not given gratiously.  They have been modified for future retirees to be partly contributory.  But present recepients are grandfathered.

 

But is appears that you are jealous that government workers are as entitled to retirement benefits as those working in private industry. 


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@TxGrandpa2wrote:

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Derserve it or not, they are still dependent on taxpayers. 


Yes, but we earn it.  How would you like to be separated from your family for months at a time; miss your children's birthdays; serve several tours in a combat zone; all at pay scales lower than from industry?  Ever been shot at and subject to hazardous conditions for a low pay scale?  Signed a contract for x number of years in return for a retirement program.  You don't do that in private industry?

 

It is besides the point who pays the pension except for cynical liberals.


Again, it doesn’t matter. They are dependent on tax payers and legislators. That pension could go away with the swoop of a pen.

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Well. I for one would happily pay more than my “fair share” for the benefit of the community as a whole.  I think the cap at $128,000, or whatever it is, is ridiculous. 


The payroll cap relates to the maximum benefit - that's the reason it is there.

If somebody every year pays in their contribution to maximum level of the payroll cap, they earn the maximum benefit.

 

Social Security Admin. - Contributions and Benefit Base

 

Raise the payroll cap, the maximum benefit also goes higher.  Although additional "bend points" could be added to the benefit formula to decrease the benefit for higher income folks.

 

Sen. Murray's proposed legislation and also that of several other Democratic Legislators does NOT do that - they want to raise the cap tremendously but give NO benefit at all.  

 

Personally, I do not think this would fly even if ALL the legislators and the President were Democrats.

 

 


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