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jim - you do have a mean streak in you, citing Fox. Can'tcha just see the blood pressure going up??

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Growing number of 2020 Democrats supporting 'Green New Deal'

 

A growing number of Democrats considering a presidential bid have signaled support for the sweeping "Green New Deal" pushed by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other liberal lawmakers, underscoring how the 2020 field is being pulled further left by the influential progressive wing.

 

An analysis by Fox News shows at least eight potential Democratic candidates have voiced support for or touted aspects of the proposal, which amounts to a drastic overhaul of the U.S. economy and government benefit system.

 

Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., 37, who says he is looking at a 2020 presidential run, told Fox News he was “excited” to support the proposal and be a part of the process.

“When it comes to climate change, we need to advance policies that don’t ask Americans to choose between their jobs and clean air and water,” Swalwell told Fox News this week. “We can do that by greening the grid with investments in renewable energy and a wage and skills guarantee for any displaced worker.”

 

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He added: “It’s time to go big on this issue with bold solutions. I welcome a Green New Deal and am excited to offer additional ideas to create meaningful jobs and address the crisis of climate change.”

Higher-profile potential candidates ranging from Sen. Elizabeth Warren to Sen. Cory Booker also have voiced support.

 

Fox News reached out to nearly two-dozen Democrats seen as potential 2020 candidates to ask about their position on the Green New Deal. Some voiced support for the plan or pointed Fox News to prior statements of support, though most did not respond to the requests for comment or declined to comment -- leaving open the possibility that more potential candidates could lend their support in the coming weeks.

 

The expansive Green New Deal proposal has floated in Democratic circles for years but was given new life by the Sunrise Movement and liberal lawmakers like Ocasio-Cortez. The package would focus on income inequality and climate change, combining ideas incorporated in former President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s signature New Deal, and modern ideas like renewable energy and resource efficiency.

 

 

A draft text of the plan has circulated around Congress and laid out a framework that includes eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and agriculture and “dramatically” expanding energy sources to meet 100 percent of power demand through renewable sources. The proposal describes this as a “historic opportunity to virtually eliminate poverty in the United States and to make prosperity, wealth and economic security available to everyone participating in the transformation.”

 

And it includes a host of other liberal wish-list items like: a job-guarantee program offering a “living wage job to every person who wants one;” a “just transition” for workers affected by climate change; basic income programs; universal health care and more.

 

The proposal already has garnered support from dozens of House Democrats, though it's unclear how far Democratic leadership in the chamber is willing to take the idea. But at least as a political talking point, it's beginning to take off in the field of hopefuls eyeing a challenge to President Trump.

 

 

Sen. Booker, D-N.J., issued his endorsement for the proposal last month. When reached by Fox News, a spokesperson for Booker pointed to his December tweet on the matter.

“We must take bold action on climate change & create a green economy that benefits all Americans. Thank you to @sunrisemvmt & activists for your inspiring work. Excited to support a #GreenNewDeal,” Booker tweeted on Dec. 14.

 

Sen. Warren, D-Mass., who has already launched an exploratory committee for a 2020 run, “supports the idea of a Green New Deal to ambitiously tackle our climate crisis, economic inequality, and racial injustice,” a Warren aide told Axios earlier this month.

 

 

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., who has been on the leading edge in Congress pushing for universal health care and free college education, also offered his support for the plan, along with Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii.

 

Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., endorsed the proposal last month and said he would introduce his own version of a Green New Deal in 2019.

 

“We absolutely have to make sure this is part of the conversation going into 2020,” Merkley told The Washington Post last month. “Mother Nature is sending this message, and the youth have double down on the message.”

 

Former Obama administration Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro, poised to make a 2020 announcement this weekend, will reportedly support the proposal, telling NBC News that "we should do that," when asked about the plan.

And Democratic darling Beto O’Rourke, who was narrowly defeated by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, in the midterm elections, is apparently supportive of the "concept."

 

“Beto is supportive of the concept and how it invests in green jobs, and is looking forward to engaging more on the issue as it continues to develop,” an O’Rourke spokesman said in a statement to the Huffington Post.

 

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Other 2020 prospects, like Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., and Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, have weighed in, but not yet offered official positions on the plan.

 

Harris’ staff reportedly has been in touch with the organizers behind the Green New Deal. Brown reportedly said he did not know enough about the details of the plan to take an official position yet, though sounded skeptical.

 

“I’ve never bought that you play off workers against the environment because what I have seen is good environmental policy means more good jobs,” Brown said on the podcast “Pod Save America” last month.

 

Former Rep. John Delaney, D-Md., who was essentially the first 2020 candidate out of the gate, praised the idea without outright endorsing it.

 

"We need to act on climate change and a Green New Deal, which is broadly defined as combining policies that reduce emissions and help people economically, is a smart approach. I am less interested in slogans and branding than I am in real policies, which is what I'm running on. The details really matter.," Delaney said in a statement to Fox News. "The best start is the bipartisan one I introduced in Congress with the Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (EICD) - a carbon tax with revenues going back to the American people through a dividend. This plan can result in a 90% reduction in GHG by 2050 by changing behavior, encouraging innovation in new technologies and using market forces to reduce emissions."

 

 

MARTIN O'MALLEY URGES BETO O'ROURKE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2020

 

Meanwhile, former Vice President Joe Biden has not taken a stance on the issue. A Biden spokesman told Fox News he did not have a comment “at this time.”

 

Other potential contenders including former Attorney General Eric Holder, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, and even Hillary Clinton did not respond to Fox News’ request for comment on whether they would support the plan.

 

Fox News’ Kaylie Piecuch and Adam Shaw contributed to this report.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/growing-number-of-potential-2020-democratic-presidential-candidates...

 

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What people who truly love America need to remember is there was NO "wailing" about the 91%TMR and nobody on the right was vilifying over half the population who didn't earn enough to pay Federal income taxes.

 

Then those who love America need to ACT to restore sanity to our tax code and reverse the decades of deterioration in our entire infrastructure caused by neoRepublican "benign neglect" they gladly promoted to give us more billionaires and less opportunity.


https://taxfoundation.org/taxes-rich-1950-not-high/

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Highly progressive income taxes are essential for a democracy. It's just like when your kids divide the cake for desert - you NEVER let the one who cuts the slices pick the first piece.

That's what the 1964 tax brackets did - when the ones who get to divide the profits made their distribution, they realized every dollar they kept for themselves would have 91 cents go the the Federal Gov't and another nickle go to State and city so they'd only get to keep 4 cents.

 

They hated their workers, but they hated the Government more, so they gave 96% of all the productivity increases to the workers, and the middle class grew like topsy.

 

This also paid for REVENUE SHARING the distribution of Federal Taxes back to the States so they didn't have to raise THEIR taxes to pay for infrastructure and everybody who could pass the tests would get a college education WITHOUT borrowing a dime.

 

The fact is the bottom half of society has NEVER been required to pay the tazes that support the civilization - they need every dime to provide for their families, so forcing them to pay taxes will do nothing but increase misery. That untaxed 50% had "SKIN IN THE GAME" to a degree unheard of in todays Uberrich - that pre-60's bunch became the Greatest Generation when they won WWII instead of doctoring X-rays like Cadet Bonespurs.

 

Let's restore the middle class before it vanishes altogether by restoring the tax brackets (adjusted for inflation) that made America Great for 40 years and scrap the Reagan taxscam that is turning us into a 3d world country with Nukes.


Exactly.


"Exactly" what - restore the middle class? The middle class was and is based on productive contributions to the overall economic conditions of the country - basically gainful employment. That is not achieved via wealth redistribution by the government.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Highly progressive income taxes are essential for a democracy. It's just like when your kids divide the cake for desert - you NEVER let the one who cuts the slices pick the first piece.

That's what the 1964 tax brackets did - when the ones who get to divide the profits made their distribution, they realized every dollar they kept for themselves would have 91 cents go the the Federal Gov't and another nickle go to State and city so they'd only get to keep 4 cents.

 

They hated their workers, but they hated the Government more, so they gave 96% of all the productivity increases to the workers, and the middle class grew like topsy.

 

This also paid for REVENUE SHARING the distribution of Federal Taxes back to the States so they didn't have to raise THEIR taxes to pay for infrastructure and everybody who could pass the tests would get a college education WITHOUT borrowing a dime.

 

The fact is the bottom half of society has NEVER been required to pay the tazes that support the civilization - they need every dime to provide for their families, so forcing them to pay taxes will do nothing but increase misery. That untaxed 50% had "SKIN IN THE GAME" to a degree unheard of in todays Uberrich - that pre-60's bunch became the Greatest Generation when they won WWII instead of doctoring X-rays like Cadet Bonespurs.

 

Let's restore the middle class before it vanishes altogether by restoring the tax brackets (adjusted for inflation) that made America Great for 40 years and scrap the Reagan taxscam that is turning us into a 3d world country with Nukes.


When the kids cut the cake, they each have an equal right to that cake. When you want to divide my income, everyone does not have an equal right to what I have earned.

 

And then the predictable "Cadet, hate the workers, Reagan taxscam, and uberrich" class warfare and envy jazz. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

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Almost half of all people pay no net income taxes so the 51% are already supporting the 49%. Several from the left feel that the correct formula for taxes are to have higher limits to the graduated income taxes so that we could conceivably have is 30% of the highest earners supporting the lowest 70% earners.  With that level of disparity, why should the 70% have ANY voice in government since they're NOT paying for it?

 

That is the sole reason for coming up with new schemes to tax the already overtaxed, like Climate Change taxes.

 

You can say it's only fair, but to who?


So you want a plutocracy instead of a republic? How unamerican is that?


Do you really consider almost half the population paying no taxes while the burden is laid on the rest to be "plutocracy".


Not getting a say in government (which is what Not Happening seems to advocate) because they aren’t paying for it epitomizes plutocracy, something our founding fathers fought so hard to prevent. People who understand history and government, as our founding fathers did, knew that democracy and representational government for all people only work when people are relatively equal. They thought long and hard about how to keep Americans equal. Because of its unique nature and seemingly limitless land that it could just take (from Indians, but nevertheless), there was very little economic inequality at the beginning of our country’s history.  And they knew, because history and political philosophers showed them, that if power (which is wealth) becomes too lopsided, democracies fail. 

 

The founding fathers knew about anacyclosis. The cycle of governance in history. Monarchies turn into tyrannies. Uprisings take power and shift it to landed aristocracies.  Aristocracies turn into oligarchies.  Uprisings destroy oligarchies and wealth diffuses enough to create a middle class. And middle classes enable democracies. 

 

But then democracies see wealth consolidation and turn into plutocracies. Which create such an income/power imbalance that then turns into mob rule, often lead by a demagogue. 

 

They worked really hard to create a mixed type of representational government specifically to avoid that. And other American leaders made changes along the way to try to prevent massive accumulation of wealth among a tiny few. Jackson let non-property owners vote. The 16th amendment allows a progressive income tax that taxes the wealthy more than the poor.  

 

You give governmental power mostly to the wealthy and you destroy America. 


Yes, we have a progressive income tax. That is not the issue here. Rather it is the degree to which the productive are going to have their income "shared".

 

The idea of "equality" is valid. But equality of what - equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. There is also the idea of equal right to that which is earned by others. We have a poster who thinks that all the money is owned by the government and it decides it's distribution is the ideal.

 

There is no question but that we do not have equality of wealth. But, how do you achieve that other by than the questionable concept described above? 

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The only "wealth redistribution" that has happened in America over the last 50 years has been Republicans transferring Trillions of dollars FROM the middle class TO the Uberrich 1%.

 

They did this by destroying pensions people had worked their entire lives for.

 

They did this by cheating 8 million Americans out of their homes - the only significant investment 90% of Americans will ever have.

 

They did this by making higher education unaffordable so the middle class grads are saddled with tremendous debt, an insideous form of negative wealth.

 

They did this by making loan sharking LEGAL so the bottom 40% has been sinking deeper and deeper into debt for the past 20 years.

 

They did this by reducing the interest paid on savings accounts to less than 0.1% while credit cards charged 25% and more.

 

Anyone who thinks it's some cosmic "accident" that 90% of Americans are worse off then that segment of society was in 1960 while the top 10% are over 300% BETTER off simply cannot think and doubtless voted for Trump.

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@williamb39198 wrote:

Funny how the right is always afraid of having something taken from them and lack any sort of vision. 

Good for this new young Representative coming out to support something good for all of us. 

Going Green isn’t about losing. It’s about

gaining a lead in clean energy technology, creating new good paying jobs, having clean air and water, and a stable environment, heathy living, and leaving good living conditions for today’s youth and future generations. 

What’s wrong with that?

 

Never Forget


Yes, in this case the right is afraid of having something taken away - freedom. 

 

Think of it this way - if the government declared that there will be no more internal combustion engines permitted, wouldn't that be "green"?

 

So, "green" is not itself the issue - it is the use of "green" for ideological purposes. If you listened to her she was seeing "green" as an element of a "wealth redistribution" concept.

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ManicProgressive:   I know. Because they care for themselves and not the country as a whole. Being patriotic, truly, means caring for all Americans, so that the country thrives.

 

 

That's true. Sometimes I wish they could be transported back to the 1950s they long for and the over 90% top rate that existed back then. The wailing would be epic.


What people who truly love America need to remember is there was NO "wailing" about the 91%TMR and nobody on the right was vilifying over half the population who didn't earn enough to pay Federal income taxes.

 

Then those who love America need to ACT to restore sanity to our tax code and reverse the decades of deterioration in our entire infrastructure caused by neoRepublican "benign neglect" they gladly promoted to give us more billionaires and less opportunity.

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ManicProgressive:   I know. Because they care for themselves and not the country as a whole. Being patriotic, truly, means caring for all Americans, so that the country thrives.

 

 

That's true. Sometimes I wish they could be transported back to the 1950s they long for and the over 90% top rate that existed back then. The wailing would be epic.

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