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I truly believe that we need to understand where we are today in the present. we have an individual that will not go gently into the night if he doesn't get re elected. and I  know that is difficult for many to accept, but I do believe that we shall see Trump state that the elections were rigged and try to deal and heavens' know what.\

there is an imperative need to defeat Trump but also once that is done we need an individual that will be able to deal with that Senate, The Republicans in the Senate will not cave in just because Trump looses. Warren and Sanders are not those individuals. they are too scary for many. Like I have said, this is not their time. we will see their time but not next year.

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I guess I'm not understanding the issue. I believe that there are some Moderate/Centrist candidates. Perhaps tonight's debate will help some?

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@williamb39198 wrote:

So, how to achieve goals, some “steps”

Group 1

-neutralize trump

-defeat trump

-defeat repubs

Group 2

-stability

-strong Dems

-clean up trump mess

-solid legislation 

-discuss bigger ideas and plans

 

Just some thoughts and a rough out, are all achievable at once, or is Group 2 achievable without getting results with Group 1? Maybe move strong Dems to top of the list! Where should the focus be. 

 

 


You need a good mixture of both.  and they are both achievable if you can focus on Trump and then on sound legislation  an ability to be able to provide it.  But remembedrr, you need to provide that bridge to be able to get where you are going. and the ability to do so.

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So, how to achieve goals, some “steps”

Group 1

-neutralize trump

-defeat trump

-defeat repubs

Group 2

-stability

-strong Dems

-clean up trump mess

-solid legislation 

-discuss bigger ideas and plans

 

Just some thoughts and a rough out, are all achievable at once, or is Group 2 achievable without getting results with Group 1? Maybe move strong Dems to top of the list! Where should the focus be. 

 

 

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I think that is what Michael Moore was talking about - all talk, no action. Baby steps. "We'd like to, but we can't. But we care, and feel your pain." Dems need strong, bold leadership.

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

Michael Moore, who warned the Democrats about Trump winning the 2016 Election, had this to say about 2020:

 

Voters Are Not Inspired by Moderation and Centrism


By Michael Moore - September 10, 2019


The depressed voters who are too quick to give up on the Democrats because they see the Dems as weak, ineffectual or hypocritical — the “party of the people” who does nothing to arrest the politicians who poisoned the water in Flint.

The last Republican mayor of Flint, Michigan was in 1931 (eighty one years ago), so the problem is Democrats can't run anything right!


Is this what you have gotten about this thread? really?   LOL

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@gordyfl wrote:

Michael Moore, who warned the Democrats about Trump winning the 2016 Election, had this to say about 2020:

 

Voters Are Not Inspired by Moderation and Centrism


By Michael Moore - September 10, 2019


The depressed voters who are too quick to give up on the Democrats because they see the Dems as weak, ineffectual or hypocritical — the “party of the people” who does nothing to arrest the politicians who poisoned the water in Flint.

The last Republican mayor of Flint, Michigan was in 1931 (eighty one years ago), so the problem is Democrats can't run anything right!

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Warren and Sanders are not lacking a "bridge", all they need is t oremove the obstructionist (all) Republicans from the Senate. How are planning to remove those obstacles? 

 

What they propose is not some ureachable Utopian Future, ITS WHAT WE HAD UNTIL 1982 NOt really, there was no Medicare for all, or open borders, or free deducation for all o the expansion of SS. or amny of the things that they are telling us to believe.

 

Health Care was not a major issue because virtually everyone could afford to see a doctor when they got sick and afford the medications they needed. Health care was inadequate for  many americans, we still need a health care system that covers all americanss that has never been in the US

 

Education was not an issue at all. Our K-12 schools were best in the world and you could pay for a college education with a summer job.The college eduaciotn has exploded without having the need to. and the education from K-12 has become completely inadequated to the world that we are living in now.

 

Our infrastructure was the best in the World because we kept repairing and expanding it. You could get just about anywhere on a train and the InterState was nearing completion.  The Infrastructure has  become a political football that apparently is not very important to any politician.

 

What happened is Reagan shifted the burden of paying for all that from the Rich (who paid the bill without surrendering a single luxury) onto the backs of the Middle Class who could not afford to maintain the World our Grandparents had given them. I wish it was as simplistic as you want to put any of this, but simply attacking the rich is not going to resolve the core issues.

 

NOTHING ELSE CHANGED. There was no Second American Revolution. Greedy bosses moved jobs to the South were there were no Unions and workers made much less, just like they move the jobs to Commie slaves in asia today. Factories added automation, reducing the number of workers needed, BUT the workers who remained saw their pay increase lock-step with their increased productivity, and that pulled up the wages for everyone else. Yes, but companies fled the US and their unions, and thought that lower wages would bring more money to thier companies, and greed took over.

 

Repeal the Reagan Tax Scam that INCREASED Middle Class taxes 40% while cutting them for the Rich by 60%. The 1980 tax brackets adjusted for inflation would increase revenues by over $1TRILLION, erasing deficits and Rebuilding and improving the infrastructure that serves ALL Americans. but most important, it would cause those dividing the profits to deal with the preReagan reality that they could only keep 25 cents of every additional dollar they gave THEMSELVES, but would gain much more by increasing worker pay to drive consumption and expand the economy by TWICE the current rate. I was not a beneficial of the Tax Laws that Reagan passed, but they are the past and now we have a  present that we need to deal with. 

 

The GOPerLords know this, and that's why they have told their lofo base what we had before Reagan was COMMUNISM! and to return to that would destroy our FREEDOM.That is what happens when visions are accepted withouth much thought and no bridge is presented on how to get to those visionw.

 

Like virtually everything spewing from the mouths of Republican leaders, ITS A LIE! Ok,  now you generalize. Both parties have told lies. 

 

We need to GET BACK what Republicans took from us in the 1980's, and NEVER AGAIN allow the Corporate Oligarchy to advance ahead of Democracy.  Fianally a good advise, you said it we are in great need to restore what at least we had in this country. A Democracy a tuly one. to restore what has made this country great. and then when we are at that stage then the vision will be clear and the path will take all of us there.

 


 

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Michael Moore, who warned the Democrats about Trump winning the 2016 Election, had this to say about 2020:

 

Voters Are Not Inspired by Moderation and Centrism


By Michael Moore - September 10, 2019


The depressed voters who are too quick to give up on the Democrats because they see the Dems as weak, ineffectual or hypocritical — the “party of the people” who does nothing to arrest the politicians who poisoned the water in Flint.


They are fired up by the possibility of a party and candidates who are going to FIGHT for them and never back down.


It was not that long ago that Democrats dared not support gun control for fear of the NRA defeating them.
Not that long ago when Democrats dared not fight for abortion rights.
And it was even in the first decade of this 21st century when Democrats had to make **bleep** sure they never called themselves a “liberal.”


They are warned that they should not go all the way and support Medicare for every American?


That they should stop all this “socialist” talk about free college and day care?


I can promise you that if we don’t fight for these things, we risk paving a path to another upset defeat next year.


If your big idea is that hatred of Trump will speed us to glorious victory next year — well, I’m sorry, I refused to ride your rickety, ill-conceived train in 2016 as you drove it off the cliff, and I will not hop on board this time either.


If we must, I and millions of others will build our own bullet train for 2020, riding with the American majority — 70% of the electorate are women, people of color and young adults (or some combination of the three). They are our ticket to a true victory — and they don’t have any time to waste on cowards or bloviators who keep telling them they have to wait “just a while longer” in the middle of road, while those in power try their “best” to find them a seat at the table.


https://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/58626-voters-are-not-inspired-by-moderation-and-cent...

 

Centrists...

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Warren and Sanders are not lacking a "bridge", all they need is t oremove the obstructionist (all) Republicans from the Senate.

 

What they propose is not some ureachable Utopian Future, ITS WHAT WE HAD UNTIL 1982!

 

Health Care was not a major issue because virtually everyone could afford to see a doctor when they got sick and afford the medications they needed.

 

Education was not an issue at all. Our K-12 schools were best in the world and you could pay for a college education with a summer job.

 

Our infrastructure was the best in the World because we kept repairing and expanding it. You could get just about anywhere on a train and the InterState was nearing completion.

 

What happened is Reagan shifted the burden of paying for all that from the Rich (who paid the bill without surrendering a single luxury) onto the backs of the Middle Class who could not afford to maintain the World our Grandparents had given them.

 

NOTHING ELSE CHANGED. There was no Second American Revolution. Greedy bosses moved jobs to the South were there were no Unions and workers made much less, just like they move the jobs to Commie slaves in asia today. Factories added automation, reducing the number of workers needed, BUT the workers who remained saw their pay increase lock-step with their increased productivity, and that pulled up the wages for everyone else.

 

Repeal the Reagan Tax Scam that INCREASED Middle Class taxes 40% while cutting them for the Rich by 60%. The 1980 tax brackets adjusted for inflation would increase revenues by over $1TRILLION, erasing deficits and Rebuilding and improving the infrastructure that serves ALL Americans. but most important, it would cause those dividing the profits to deal with the preReagan reality that they could only keep 25 cents of every additional dollar they gave THEMSELVES, but would gain much more by increasing worker pay to drive consumption and expand the economy by TWICE the current rate.

 

The GOPerLords know this, and that's why they have told their lofo base what we had before Reagan was COMMUNISM! and to return to that would destroy our FREEDOM.

 

Like virtually everything spewing from the mouths of Republican leaders, ITS A LIE!

 

We need to GET BACK what Republicans took from us in the 1980's, and NEVER AGAIN allow the Corporate Oligarchy to advance ahead of Democracy.

 

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