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@john258 wrote:

Here is something to think about. We had a great depression starting in 1929, but the thing that broke our backs and sent us into depression from recession was the Smoot Halley Tariff's. Everyone learned a lesson after that and you did not see tariffs used that way again until now. Why? Everyone learned their lesson Tariffs cause more harm than good in the long run. We now have them again. Why? We have a President with Mental problems so he tries to repeat 1929 again.


Getting beyond the expert opinion of a trained "shrink" and back to tariffs - it is true, they are not the total answer to all international problems, however they are just one arrow in the quiver. 

 

When a foreign nation places tariffs on American products or in some way restricts their access to that country - how shall we respond??

 

As individuals we could boycott that nation's products. But we have the right to expect our government to take some action to protect American corporations and workers.

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   Reminder:  Donnie has decided that another round of SOCIALISM is needed as he calls for more of everyone elses money to go the Ag folks who will no longer be able to sell their harvest to China.   

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Excusing the economic disaster that is Donny Bonspur's Trade War by saying "at least he's doing something" is like praising your dog for taking a dump on the living room rug.

 

His Tariffs are a tax on CONSUMPTION - the most REGRESSIVE form of taxation ever invented - paid by the American Consumer, and it falls most heavily on the bottom 90%, so it's another Republican Soak the Middle tax

 

Cadet Bonespurs SAYS he's using tariffs to force China to "change their behavior", and give Americans a fair deal.  However, no tariff is going to raise wages or lower prices for workers, so the ONLY ones who will possibly benefit are the Corporate Oligarchs.

 

China had begun protecting Intellectual Property rights in 1980, but at the same time, they began allowing private ownership of the means of production, and the new "entrepreneurial class" devised ways to steal intellectual property, primarily copyrights, much more quickly than the Chinese Government could write laws to prevent it.

 

As for the idea the Chinese FORCE foreign companies to share their technology, that's only true of the company feels operating in China is more valuable than the "secrets" they have to divulge. In other words, such technology transfer is done with the full cooperation of the American business because the ones running the business feel access to the Chinese domestic market is worth MORE than the "secrets" they have to share.

 

What is really damaging American business is the THEFT of trade secrets, mostly by "economic espionage" conducted by the Chinese Government and their citizens. Do any GOPers actually believe lil donny will force the Chinese to give up spying on "hostile foreign powers" (the US) by making Americans pay more for goods made in China?

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@cm9889168 wrote:

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On Fox News Sunday, Larry Kudlow said that even though China will suffer GDP losses from a diminishing export market, he Pinocchio'd the president's claim that China is making "massive payments [which] go directly to the Treasury of the U.S.

 

 

It is the American importer who pays the tariffs, which will most probably result in the trickle-down effect to the American consumer.

 

Good for the U.S. standing up to China, but I question someone, whose rep for the 'art of the deal' has been called into question lately and who bald-faced lies, is the man to show us how it's done.

 

Note: The video has been cued to the relevant material.  Feel free to rewind it to the beginning.


There are Left Wing Liberals who listen to and trust FOX!  I knew there were and glad some will post it - especially because it proves that FOX will have opposing sides on their shows. Even Chris Matthews questions President Trump often.  FOX is not only one-sided as many know and trust.

 

It's not wise to make assumptions and use labels.  I posted the Fox video on purpose, helps silence the naysayers who don't believe anything unless they hear it on Fox News. I'm just glad to see a Liberal wasn't afraid to admit it.

 

The mention of Pres Trump's 'bald' bold-faced lies didn't show any VF link...so that must be an opinion.

Call it anything you want, bald- or boldface lie.  I didn't think documentation was necessary; even supporters know that Donnie is the master of hyperbole.  Didn't you just say "it's not wise to make assumptions and use labels"?  You just did...assuming you know what those who support our President know?  

 

President Trump has made more than 10,000 false or misleading claims

Again a Left Wing Liberal posts a link from the WaPo, who currently has a couple of lawsuits against them for libel.  I'm sorry but WaPo is not a trusted factual source.  Also there is no list, like 1 to 9000...whatever the claim is now.  I keep asking for a list of all 9000 and not a media's own thoughts/explaination, so we all can read each lie ourselves. 

Many Coservatives read what's said and do our own research so we can decide for ourselves.  They don't usually trust what the media says.

 

Most of Larry Kudlow's report is in agreement with what Pres Trump is doing, if you listen to it all.  No need to argue with me, it's Kudlow's words.

 

"Both sides will pay..."

 "United States economy is in a boom...we're in terrific shape...in order to correct 20 yrs plus of unfair trading practices with China..unlawful practices...this is a risk we should and can take without damaging our economy in any way....We'll help the farmers again."

"We will be in very good shape....because of trade reforms we will be in very good shape.... the tariffs are producing a big increase in custom duties perhaps $25 billion to help finance the farmers...the economics consequences are so small that the possible improvement in trade and open market trades and exports is worthwhile doing....the president is spot on."

 

"The media has one job to do, and they fail at it every day."


 

Of course, Kudlow is in agreement with what Trump is doing.  He wants to keep his job.  Again, I'm just glad to see a Liberal wasn't afraid to trust FOX - the #1 watched Real News.

 

But that's the whole point of this discussion.  Who pays the custom duties?  The U.S. importer does.  Trickle down.  I thought the whole point of this discussion is that you watch FOX News and trust them to post the link.

 

But those increased tariff duties aren’t paid by China, or even by Chinese companies. Import duties are paid by U.S. importers, either directly or more commonly through customs brokers.

And importers — including big retailers like Walmart and Target — face pressure to pass on those increased costs to consumers in the form of higher prices. The National Retail Federation calls Trump’s tariffs “a tax on American families.”  I wonder what Alt-Left Liberals think would happen if Pres Trump did not take action against China's Tariffs or Tafiffs.  Finally we have a President who will do something and is thinking of Americans.  Does it bother anyone that Obomba and other presidents did not do anything and just let things with China get worse; which is why we're in this situation now?   Or will they just continue to blame the current president for the prior presidents' inaction.  And then blame President Trump AGAIN when tariffs imposed by China are so out of control? 
“Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.” 

Source: FactCheck.org

 


 

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It was recently pointed out that Trump is a one trick pony (tariffs) in a world of infinite possible reactions. Now that we see his Billions of dollars in personal losses along side the billions of dollars his investors lost, we can understand his inability to make any deals on the international stage. 

 

Rex Tillerson was right. 

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Here is something to think about. We had a great depression starting in 1929, but the thing that broke our backs and sent us into depression from recession was the Smoot Halley Tariff's. Everyone learned a lesson after that and you did not see tariffs used that way again until now. Why? Everyone learned their lesson Tariffs cause more harm than good in the long run. We now have them again. Why? We have a President with Mental problems so he tries to repeat 1929 again.

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@williamb39198 wrote:

If what trump says is true that our country is gaining so much money, perhaps we should ask:

-Where are the tariffs collected at?

-What account is the money deposited 

  into and where is it held?

-And from that account, where and to 

  who is this money appropriated?

Anyone know?

 


It is my understanding that the US government collects those tariffs and go into the Treasury. Do you know otherwise??

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Calling the White House and congratulating  them on the tariffs.  LOL  LOL  LOL

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Call now before it become real busy.


What is it you find funny about those "Tafiffs"  - whatever they are.

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I am reasonably sure william, it's being laundered by Russia, as we speak, lol. Since Trump does so much banking with Deutsche who is known world wide for their Russian money laundering skills.
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If what trump says is true that our country is gaining so much money, perhaps we should ask:

-Where are the tariffs collected at?

-What account is the money deposited 

  into and where is it held?

-And from that account, where and to 

  who is this money appropriated?

Anyone know?

 

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