Stuck in the past and present; some cannot see the future

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Richva-you forgot something-it is also a thing of the past!

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@easyed598 wrote:

The good thing about coal is that we can have it all.The new  technology for energy and enough coal for at least 100 years if we need it. Many countries have little sources of energy and must depend on others to meet their needs.


I would disagree with your timeline.  I have mentioned bike lanes and roads being built out of solar panels. No one has built a coal fired generating plant in years and they are closing the ones they have as other energy sources are much more efficient and less expensive.  Coal is being replaced by over 6,000 major solar projects online now or being built.  Coal is dirty, dangerous, difficult to transport, and expensive.

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lk152:  Instead of looking toward the future, our government and leaders are instead mired in the past and present. This is the thesis of a column by Froma Harop. Instead of taking the leadership in the development of renewable energy sources and cleaner energy, the Trump administration and their lackeys in congress are bent on remaining stuck in the present and past.

 

The fools are throwing away enormous economic opportunities because they are owned by the petroleum industry. China is eating our lunch and laughing at America.

 

China cementing global dominance of renewable energy and technology

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/06/china-cementing-global-dominance-of-renewable-en...

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lk152--Yes, this is true!  Go back to deregulation, go back to no environmental controls, go back to women having no control over their bodies, go back to coal mining and black lung-- go back, go back, go back! !

Tesla, by the way, has broken into the top three. 

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The good thing about coal is that we can have it all.The new  technology for energy and enough coal for at least 100 years if we need it. Many countries have little sources of energy and must depend on others to meet their needs.

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@NerdyMom wrote:

 

We'd have no computers without government spending.

 

 


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If you want to be technical about it, computer principles and computers were developed by the ancients, such as the abacus.  Modern day computers were developed based on those principles.  But computing as we know it today is based on developments of  Charles Babbage, a mathematics professor.

 

Of course government operations required the need for improvements and development.  But I wasn't referring to mainframe computers, but to the development of the desktop computers that are popular today. 

 

At the time the programmer and I were discussing them, computers required a cool environment for proper operations.  For that reason they were located in air conditioned rooms.  Even out in the field for military purpose they were housed in specially constructed trailers with air conditioning and special shock absorbers.

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We'd have no computers without government spending.

 

Government funding accounted for 75% of all funding in the early days of computers.  Up to the 60s.  The first real computer, in the sense we think of today, was Electronic Numerical Integrator and Computer.  Built at the University of Pennsylvania and funded by the Army.  Right after WWII. The nuclear arms race and the space race demanded rapid development of IT.  

 

The first microprocessor was designed for a navy fighter plane.  The internet, GPS, touch screens on our smart phones -- All of these were government-funded research to begin with.    Only then did private industry modify and improve and market and profit off of it.   

 

It's a great relationship, IMO.   Conservatives are just hurting private industry in the long run by trying to cut research funding out of the federal budget.    

 

 

 

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Perceptive. Congratultions 1k152.  Your pick of initial article and the follow-up are thoughtful.  Who sees fit to attack either or both will be interesting. 

 

The short-sighted mental condition you describe is wide-spread within the conservative ranks, as you and the article author noted.  You both noted that non-rational nostalgia doesn't move the Nation forward. Only creates conflict. You likewise noted that reliance on the past for direction in selecting a way to the future is ill-advised...and why that is so. Perhaps someone of that group will listen.  Don't hold your breath.

 

Cynical politicians and 'entrepreneurs' have seen the same thing. Failure of businesses and industries they rely on have generated discontent and angst among those displaced by "progress". That same discontent and angst has been exploited unconscionably as a means to acquire political power. 

 

That is the end goal in and of itself.  The power these amoral and immoral power-seekers are after, once acquired, will NOT be used for the benefit of those who supported the power-seekers. They promised to return the 'good old days' and Make America Great Again.  That promise was made in bad faith. 

 

Political power will be used as cynically as it was acquired.  IF the means exists, the opponents of the power-seekers will be marginalized to the point of extinction  Once in power, those who have power WILL enhance and solidify their grasp on power. 

 

Further disruption of institutions to their advantage WILL happen. That disruption is intended.  Those who disrupt WILL fill the power AND securtiy vacuum and a new form of government WILL emerge.  In this case...history is relevant as it has to do with the nature of the beast, not what he is currently doing.  Can't happen here?  Oh, yeah?  Better look again. 

 

Sorry for the pessimism.  Reality persists in rearing its ugly head and i can't ignore it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@lk152 wrote:

 

Instead of looking toward the future, our government and leaders are instead mired in the past and present.




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And of course many advancements in technology is met with opposition or negativity.  Back in the early days of automobiles of course many thought the idea of 'horseless carriages' was preposterous.  Roads were sufficient for horse drawn wagons and their wheels was riding on metal strips. 

 

Even in current times ideas are not readily received.  I recall that when I was heading towards retirement, one of my programmers and I were discussing those new developments in small computers.  We both agreed that it was a matter of time where they would probably be in every home. 

 

The officer in charge of our data processing [as it was then called] branch overheard us and asked why on earth would a person want a computer in their home, and what use would it be.  Our only answer was to just wait a few years and see. 

 

It was just a matter of a few years before the technology exploded and personal computers became popular.  But they wasn't promoted by the government, but by private industry.

 

As with automobiles, the government got involved after private industry and demand increased the need for better roads.

 

A good video celebrating 100 years of the Texas Highway Department:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reJm2jAS0jM&feature=youtu.be

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       And denialists and Big Oil really don't want people to read this:   

Elon Musk's Tesla Inc. surpassed General Motors Co. to become America's most valuable carmaker, eclipsing a company whose well-being was once viewed as interdependent with the nation's.

Tesla climbed as much as 3.7% in early Monday trading, boosting its market capitalization to $51 billion. The company was valued at about $1.7 billion more than GM as of 9:35 a.m. in New York and the two have jostled for the lead spot in subsequent trading.

The turnabout shows the extent to which investors have bought into Elon Musk's vision that electric vehicles will eventually rule the road.

 

 

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