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No, rk, it doesn't answer my questions. The BLM movement is about racial profiling of African Americans. Of course it's about race--that's exactly what I said. But it's only about the race of the victims. The profilers come in many races. So why are you concerned with Zimmerman's ethnicity? Also, do you understand why the BLM movement is not anti-white? Do you understand that a far greater percentage of unarmed black men are shot by police? Nobody is saying that white lives don't matter--they're just not as much an issue in profiling.:
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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Rich made some valid comments but the following one was clearly wrong. He said, "Zimmerman should not have tried to follow Martin. In hindsight, this is the logical move."

 

That has nothing to do with hindsight. Long before any Watchmen discover a suspcious or criminal incident, they are instructed by the police to call them if something happens. They are also taught to stay away from the incident, let the police do everything. And you couldn't find a better example of why the police give that firm advice during training sessions.

 

Rich also said "Martin should not have confronted Zimmerman"

 

Really? How do you know what happened Rich? Did Zimmerman pull out his gun and threaten Martin? If that happened, what would you do?

 

There are many facts we know about this case, such as the fact that Zimmerman should have never confronted Martin. But nobody knows why or how Zimmerman and Martin became engaged in a life and death struggle. All we have is Zimmerman's version, and I for one, have no confidence that he told the truth. 

 

I believe Zimmerman lied about what happened. Use your common sense. Why would Martin, who's on the way home, engage in a struggle with a guy he doesn't know unless Zimmerman threatened him verbablly and/or with his handgun? I'm guessing Zimmerman pulled out his weapon.


I am almost certain I had "or vice versa" in the comment. That would be nobody should have confronted anybody.   Of course I don't know the sequence of events and I allowed for that. 

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I believe that Zimmerman was the one in the wrong and can not understand how he was not convicted.  Since that case, the man has been in many encounters that proves he has an emotional/mental instability.  In all the other cases, except in the Charlotte, North Carolina case of Jonathan Ferrell, the root of the problem has NOT been addressed.  Anyone, regardless of race or ethnical group, need to learn to remove themselves from criminal activities.  That way no one has to confront with any law enforcement officials.  If we ALL follow the laws this senseless disruptions would stop.  Laws are in place so EVERYONE SHOULD be on the same page.  The majority of the shootings lately were committing crimes and refused to STOP when told to by the police.  ALL LIVES MATTER!  Police want to go home to their family just as much as general public do.  As an Africian-American, I am SO TIRED of the race "card" always coming up and the rioting thereafter.  When others in the community are killed by anyone there is little to none community disruption.  Why in the Africian-American community?  Why destroy the same place you live, play, shop, educate our children, etc.?  It is time we come together as ONE community instead of racial divide, political parties, etc.  USA is the "laughing stock" of the world.  So many people are risking their lives trying to get to this country any way they can.  Most of the immigrants appreciate this country whereas a small group of those already here show NO APPRECIATION for ALL the FREEDOMS we have.  We don't need a dictatorship here like some countries, but we need to work together and STOP killings, robberies, burnings, standing on the street corners and GET your own by GETTING EDUCATED, GET A JOB, EARN WAGES and become CONTRIBUTING CITIZENS.  There are jobs available, maybe not the salary wanted to start out but you have to be educated to get higher paying jobs and wages.  There are many ways to get an education now, on-line, on campus, technical schools, vocational schools, specialised schools (art, music, culinary to name a few).  I tried to teach my former 3rd grade stgudents they can achieve anything they want.  Only they can make that decision.  STOP holding out your hands and GET TO WORK.  NOTHING IS OWED TO NO ONE.  I truly believe...God helps those who help themselves first.  Stand up and lets ALL show the younger generation the CORRECT way to achieve the "American dream".  We ALL want that but is everyone willing to work hard for it?  Where do you stand as an American citizen?  This country is a "huge melting pot" from all around the world.  I am trying at age 61 to show everyone struggling to come here this is a wonderful place to live and welcome them and ALL with open arms.  But only if they desire to be a contributing member of this society and NOT bring their criminal activities here.  Where do YOU STAND on this ISSUE?

 

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[scout] For the mentally enfeebled - the deaths were from improper installation of the security bars (no inside release, a requirement for such devices). Chalk it up to some greedhead who sold the family the deathtrap. Unbridled Capitalism was as much responsible as the gangs in the neighborhood

 

For the mentally creative:

 

Were they out of code? If so, how did they pass inspection? If they were not out of code, what has "unbridled Capitalism have to do with their deaths? I guess the real question is - are you using a "scout fact" to shift to "Unbridled Capitalism"?

 

But - back to the original question, why did those black lives matter? Why were there no mass demonstrations and riots leading to the looting of the liquor stores??

 

 

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

I think even our most radical right wingers in this forum would agree that T. Martin was allowed to walk home from the store. It was Zimmerrman who followed and tracked Martin. It was Zimmerman who kicked in the series of events which led to Martin's death.

 

This shouldn't be a debate on the Stand Your Ground Laws, it should be about how sick Zimmerman is. There isn't a parent or grandparent in this forum who could possibly defend Zimmerman if it was their son or grandson who was walking home from the store, minding his own business, until Zimmerman created a confrontation which should have never happened.


You are probably aware of this, but....

 

1-Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person for this complex.

2-Many burglaries occurred in the past at this complex

3-Martin fit the description of the perpetrator(s) LIE! The police told Zimmerman to stop following his "suspect".

4-The hoodie didn't help But RWers claim it was a reason to distruct Martin

5-Zimmerman followed Martin and then approached him asking what he was doing

6-The confrontation ended on the ground with the larger Martin on top

7-Martin repeatedly pounded  Zimmerman's head into the concretePUSHED ZIMMERMAN TO THE GROUND CAUSING A MINOR SCRAPE ON ZIMMIES SCALP

8-Zimmerman pulled his gun and fired killing MURDERING Martin

9-What Zimmerman should have done is call 911 and get the sheriff down there ASAP Zimmerman DID call police and they told him to back off.

10-Both Zimmerman and Martin BOTH did the wrong things, but at the point of #7 above, Zimmerman defended himself to prevent his demise. Death by minor scalp abrassion - a whole new category of homacide.

 

 


The gated community was 20% BLACK. Simply seeing a  black in that neighborhood would be no cause for anyone's concern.

 

Zimmerman's racism was the reason he stalked and killed Martin. Martin's actions had nothing to do with it

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@rk9152 wrote:

[ct] I think even our most radical right wingers in this forum would agree that T. Martin was allowed to walk home from the store.

 

And yet our radical left wingers see this event as having something to do with a "movement" that chants, "What do we want? Dead cops" - even though Zimmerman was not a cop.

 

And our radical left wingers see this as a basis for a "movement" about racial discrimination. Travon was a minority - Zimmerman is every bit a minority as Barak Obama.

 

So, it would appear that the radical left just wants a "movement" and reality is not a factor.


The radicalization of any movement is to be expected when their peaceful attempts to gain redress of their greivances goes nowhere and receives the kind of vilification the Reich heaps on any non-white protest movement.

 

The shooting of police is an abomination. It is also what happens when cops shoot unarmed citizens and a major political party rides to their defense.

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For the mentally enfeebled - the deaths were from improper installation of the security bars (no inside release, a requirement for such devices). Chalk it up to some greedhead who sold the family the deathtrap. Unbridled Capitalism was as much responsible as the gangs in the neighborhood.

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Rich made some valid comments but the following one was clearly wrong. He said, "Zimmerman should not have tried to follow Martin. In hindsight, this is the logical move."

 

That has nothing to do with hindsight. Long before any Watchmen discover a suspcious or criminal incident, they are instructed by the police to call them if something happens. They are also taught to stay away from the incident, let the police do everything. And you couldn't find a better example of why the police give that firm advice during training sessions.

 

Rich also said "Martin should not have confronted Zimmerman"

 

Really? How do you know what happened Rich? Did Zimmerman pull out his gun and threaten Martin? If that happened, what would you do?

 

There are many facts we know about this case, such as the fact that Zimmerman should have never confronted Martin. But nobody knows why or how Zimmerman and Martin became engaged in a life and death struggle. All we have is Zimmerman's version, and I for one, have no confidence that he told the truth. 

 

I believe Zimmerman lied about what happened. Use your common sense. Why would Martin, who's on the way home, engage in a struggle with a guy he doesn't know unless Zimmerman threatened him verbablly and/or with his handgun? I'm guessing Zimmerman pulled out his weapon.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

 

Here are the only States with Stand Your Ground laws:

  • Alabama.
  • Alaska.
  • Arizona.
  • Florida.
  • Georgia.
  • Indiana.
  • Kansas.
  • Kentucky.

Everywhere else you must "avoid confrontations". Martin did not stalk Zimmerman, Zimmerman stalked Martin.


Pardon me, but you don't need a "stand your ground" law to defend yourself when someone is attempting to murder you. I suppose you would lie back and wait until Martin smashed your head open and your relatives could rest in peace knowing that you didn't defend yourself because there were no "stand your ground" laws.

 

Unbelievably pathetic.


Sorry but such ignorance and bigotry is unpardonable. Your Zombie Lie about Zimmerman's "injuries" was demolished in the trial, here's one account of that from the LA Times:

A medical examiner who looked at the photographs and records of George Zimmerman said the injuries to the neighborhood watch volunteer were insignificant, as the prosecution and defense in the murder trial argued about whether Zimmerman embellished his accounts of his confrontation with an unarmed Trayvon Martin.

 

You just like the idea of shooting "uppity" black teenagers and getting away with it.

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I can't believe we are still discussing this.  

 

Zimmerman should not have had the gun. It was against the agreement he signed as part of his block watch. 

 

Zimmerman should not have tried to follow Martin. In hindsight, this is the logical move. 

 

Martin should not have confronted Zimmerman, or vice versa. Again, hindsight. 

 

If Martin had been a white kid wearing some yuppy style clothes and looking more like he "belonged" in the neighborhood, this probably would not have happened.  

 

Put this all together and you get a stupid tragedy. End of story. 

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