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Stealing the Election in Plain Sight

BY:  Joe Herring

 

If you were still harboring naïve notions of free and fair elections when Democrats are involved, perhaps this will help disabuse you of those fantasies.

From a Fox News report a few days ago:

 

A prominent Democratic lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign [Marc Elias] is threatening to sue the state of Nevada unless it immediately suspends prosecutions for ballot harvesting before the June 9 primary, among a slew of other demands, according to a letter obtained by Fox News on Tuesday.

 

Writing on April 10 to Nevada Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske, a Republican, Elias first took aim at Nevada Revised Statutes section 293.330(4), which prohibits ballot harvesting and permits only certain individuals, like family members, to return ballots.

 

Ballot harvesting, or the practice of allowing political operatives and others to collect voters' ballots and turn them in en masse to polling stations, has drawn bipartisan concerns of fraud from election watchers.

 

"We ask that your office and the office of the Nevada Attorney General immediately announce a suspension of prosecutions under this statute for all elections for which mail-in balloting will be the primary means of voting in the state," Elias said.

 

At the same time, Elias called for Nevada to stop throwing out ballots when signatures on voters' ballots appear different from those on voters' registrations, saying "lay election officials have never had the necessary expertise" to make an accurate determination.

Ballot-harvesting is a crime, forbidden due to the inherent opportunities for fraud, intimidation, and outright manufacture of votes.  The Democrats tried to legalize ballot-harvesting in the last stimulus go-round, but thankfully, they were caught and prevented from doing so.

 

Worse still, Elias's threats also seek to force Nevada to send a ballot to allregistered voters, regardless of whether a voter requested a ballot or not.  As you'll see, Nevada is merely the target du jour.  The same will be expected of all 50 states before November 3, 2020.

 

This effort is spearheaded by former Clinton attorney Marc Elias, a partner at Perkins Coie law firm, the same firm that facilitated and helped disseminate the fraudulent Steele dossier, which launched the Russian collusion narrative.  Unsurprisingly, Elias was the attorney who engaged Fusion GPS to procure the dossier using funds laundered through Perkins Coie. 

 

Elias is a prime example of all things wrong with the legal profession these days, a poster child for "whatever it takes" lawyerly maneuvering, regardless of ethics or legality.  His involvement also makes it clear that this is no one-off effort concerning Nevada alone. 

 

This well known Democrat fixer has a long history of fighting voter ID laws in state after state, with his legal challenges bankrolled by none other than George Soros.  He is the point of the spear in the left's effort to wrest control of the electoral process from the people of the United States.  Having licked his wounds after the 2016 debacle, Elias has emerged again, fighting the same battles, singing the same tunes.

 

Elias wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post, published on March 16, 2020.  In his missive, he outlines the same demands he has threatened against Nevada.

 

It will not be enough for states to simply allow more citizens to vote by mail.  Each state must also provide adequate resources for the printing and distribution of millions of extra ballots and to support with extra funds the officials who are tasked with processing and counting the flood of mailed ballots.  It will also require states to revisit their laws to provide free postage and community ballot collection.  States then need to address the manner in which ballots are verified to minimize rejections based on issues with voters' signatures.

Citing likely difficulties with processing large numbers of mail-in ballots, Elias says:

 

[A]ll votes postmarked by Election Day must be treated as timely and counted in full. Unfortunately, many states do not currently count ballots received after Election Day, regardless of when voters mail them.

 

Replacing Election Day receipt laws with the more intuitive postmarked-by-Election Day standard is essential.

As all Democrats do, Elias ignores the concept of personal responsibility on the part of the voter, who is naturally expected to consider mailing time when returning his ballot.  What his proposal does is completely different from what he claims that it will do.

It permits the exploitation of exit polling, enabling operatives to dump vast numbers of fraudulent ballots wherever needed on Election Day, having seen from exit polling which races and precincts are going to their opponents.

 

This cannot be permitted, as it provides specific real-time data to enable election-tampering with a specificity not seen outside of North Korea.

 

Ideally, states will act to correct these anti-democratic laws.  If not, Congress should step in and amend federal law to make clear that ballots mailed by a voter on or before Election Day must be treated as cast on Election Day.

In his own words, Elias reveals the framework for stealing an election.  Create avenues for mischief, then exploit those avenues for all they're worth.  Remembering that by threatening endless lawsuits over clearly fraudulent ballots, it's not too difficult to intimidate a county election commissioner into matching voter registration signatures against received ballot signatures with a very broad standard to avoid litigation that could bankrupt post-COVID budgets.

 

The pattern is clear.  Force a mail-in ballot scenario, suspend prohibitions against ballot-harvesting (citing reasons of health and safety, of course), and then find judges in each state to forbid the invalidating of ballots where the signatures do not match the registration.

Apart from simply declaring themselves the winner at the end of a rifle barrel, the Democrats couldn't possibly have devised a more direct path to hijacking an election.

 

This is the greatest danger we face in 2020 — not the virus, not North Korea, not even the economic effects of the virus, but rather the clear intention of one party to steal an election by any means necessary.

 

Don't be distracted: this is one issue you must not let lie fallow.   They are arranging for the invalidation of your vote, right in front of your eyes.  We mustprevent these changes, or, like a miraculous resurrection of Lenin, we will see the whole country "turn" blue November 3.

 

 

 

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Perhaps an appropriate question to pose: which party supports all people voting and voter’s rights, and which party inhibits many people from voting
and does not support voter’s rights?

 

Or is this another witch hunt for 3 million illegal voters. 

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Oh big time Cen, as per usual, but standard operating procedure for the Trump Cult Party.
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Conservative groups don’t see it as a close call. Judicial Watch attorney Robert Popper said California election law allows some of the most expansive ballot harvesting practices in the nation. It allows, and even encourages, partisan activists to “cross the threshold” into voters’ homes to help them retrieve and fill out their ballots. Noting major recent cheating scandals in everything from college admissions to Major League Baseball, Popper asked, “Why is it that they think voting is the one activity where they won’t cheat?”

 

He added, “I resist as long as I can questioning other people’s motives, but when Democrats say that vote-by-mail is necessary in order to stop the spread of the illness and then they keep ballot harvesting, which if used will undoubtedly spread illness, it makes you think they are not that concerned about spreading illness but really just want the rules to be as loose as possible because it benefits their party.”

 

 

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Jim posted....

 

"Conservative groups don’t see it as a close call."

 

Yet why did they ignore it in North Carolina?  And supported and endorsed it?  Very hypocritical of "those there dem Conservatives", eh? 


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Yes just what you would expect from Judicial Watch, and as always not true.

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Trump party has been such good teachers though, LOL!!!! Too funny.
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Susan Crabtree explains the dangers of ballot harvesting and why it should be illegal

 

SAN DIEGO (KUSI) – Tuesday,  the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to send vote-by-mail ballots to every voter registered for the November general election, citing concerns about coronavirus-related social distancing.

 

This comes after growing concern from some on the left over potentially spreading coronavirus at voting locations.

 

But what are the liabilities of switching to mail-in voting?

 

Susan Crabtree wrote about the Dems push for mail-in voting in an article on Real Clear Politics. She wrote the Dems push, “has the unintended consequence of negating the rationale for ballot harvesting, opponents argue.  If everyone has the ability to drop their ballots in the mail for any reason, as Californians already do, there’s no need for campaign surrogates or those from a third party to go door to door, endangering the public health, critics of the practice say.”

 

Crabtree spoke with KUSI News via Skype about why we should be wary of switching to a mail-in voting system in November, and why ballot harvesting should be illegal.

Susan Crabtree’s full story on mail-in voting can be read here.

 

 

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Why are you posting this again.  We have covered all details, and we know the only time it was used illegaly was by Reb. So you want to end illegal use end what remains of the Reb. party.

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Susan Crabtree explains the dangers of ballot harvesting and why it should be illegal

 

Jim,

 

Please notify La Sooze and let her know it is already illegal...

 

N.C. political operative indicted in ballot harvesting scandal Leslie McCrae Dowless Jr. was indicted as part of an investigation into ballot tampering in the N.C. 9 race
Leslie McCrae Dowless Jr. poses for a portrait outside of his home in Bladenboro, N.C. on Dec. 5, 2018. (Travis Long/The News & Observer via AP, File)

 

N.C. political operative indicted in ballot harvesting scandal 

 

Can Susan Crabtree READ?  SHOCKING to see that a White Middle-aged Republican would be breaking the law......who knew?


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Stealing the Election in Plain Sight ......

 

That's what Trump's Russian buddies did for him when they interfered in the last election .... setting up over 1000 fake news sites per polling data given to them by corrupt and treasonous Donnie Junior and Jarred!

 

And don't forget the millions of dollars the Russians funnelled to the Trump campaign through the NRA in the last election.

 

And now ...... the two Ukrainian thugs, both close friends of Trump and Giuliani, who got caught attempting to funnel Russian money to today's Trump campaign!

 

 

 

 

DUMP TRUMP AND DITCH MITCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
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Have you noticed that, mixed in among the cries of "potential voter fraud" there is a distinct lack of examples?  This is because fraud in vote by mail states is almost as low as in person voting.  The reason the regressives do not want voting to be convenient is that voters tend to throw them out of office quickly. 

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California GOP sues Gavin Newsom over ballot 'harvesting' ahead of May special elections

 

California GOP is arguing the practice will violate social distancing and stay at home restrictions

 

 

BY:  Sophie Mann

 

The California Republican party has filed a lawsuit against Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom to try to prevent so-called “ballot harvesting” in two upcoming special elections.

 

Ballot collecting – or "harvesting" – involves campaign workers and volunteers collecting mail-in ballots from voters’ houses, then bringing them in groups to polling stations.

 

In 2016, California changed its laws to allow any person to collect a mail-in ballot, whereas it used to be restricted only to family members of the voter or those living in the same household.

 

The California GOP is arguing that such practices would violate social distancing guidelines and directly conflict with Newsom’s shelter-in-place order.

 

The governor failed to respond to a letter sent several weeks ago asking that the process be halted, prompting the filing of the lawsuit.

 

"The governor has dodged his responsibility," California GOP Chairwoman Jessica Patterson said, “We’re hoping the courts will compel him to clarify.”

 

Ballot harvesting has long been an election practice utilized more by Democrats than Republicans. Some Republicans are opposed to the practice, while others think the party needs to focus efforts on mobilizing collection volunteers to catch up with the Democrats.

 

This lawsuit is focused on two upcoming special election, scheduled for May 12 in California’s 25th and 28th districts. The former is to fill the congressional seat left vacated by Democrat Katie Hill, who resigned last year following a sex scandal and a congressional ethics investigation.

 

 

 

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California GOP sues Gavin Newsom over ballot 'harvesting' ahead of May special elections

 

California GOP is arguing the practice will violate social distancing and stay at home restrictions

 

 

BY:  Sophie Mann

 

The California Republican party has filed a lawsuit against Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom to try to prevent so-called “ballot harvesting” in two upcoming special elections.

 

Ballot collecting – or "harvesting" – involves campaign workers and volunteers collecting mail-in ballots from voters’ houses, then bringing them in groups to polling stations.

 

In 2016, California changed its laws to allow any person to collect a mail-in ballot, whereas it used to be restricted only to family members of the voter or those living in the same household.

 

The California GOP is arguing that such practices would violate social distancing guidelines and directly conflict with Newsom’s shelter-in-place order.

 

The governor failed to respond to a letter sent several weeks ago asking that the process be halted, prompting the filing of the lawsuit.

 

"The governor has dodged his responsibility," California GOP Chairwoman Jessica Patterson said, “We’re hoping the courts will compel him to clarify.”

 

Ballot harvesting has long been an election practice utilized more by Democrats than Republicans. Some Republicans are opposed to the practice, while others think the party needs to focus efforts on mobilizing collection volunteers to catch up with the Democrats.

 

This lawsuit is focused on two upcoming special election, scheduled for May 12 in California’s 25th and 28th districts. The former is to fill the congressional seat left vacated by Democrat Katie Hill, who resigned last year following a sex scandal and a congressional ethics investigation.

 

 

 


Since California has an extensive vote by mail system already, compares the signatures on the ballot to signatures on file, informs voters when they think they don't match so they can prove they cast the ballot and doesn't try to have same day results; does any of this really matter?

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The Right seems to be concerned that Democrats will do as Republicans did in North Carolina.  Imitation is the greatest form of flattery....


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@jimc91 wrote:
California GOP sues Gavin Newsom over ballot 'harvesting' ahead of May special elections

 

California GOP is arguing the practice will violate social distancing and stay at home restrictions

 

 

BY:  Sophie Mann

 

The California Republican party has filed a lawsuit against Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom to try to prevent so-called “ballot harvesting” in two upcoming special elections.

 

Ballot collecting – or "harvesting" – involves campaign workers and volunteers collecting mail-in ballots from voters’ houses, then bringing them in groups to polling stations.

 

In 2016, California changed its laws to allow any person to collect a mail-in ballot, whereas it used to be restricted only to family members of the voter or those living in the same household.

 

The California GOP is arguing that such practices would violate social distancing guidelines and directly conflict with Newsom’s shelter-in-place order.

 

The governor failed to respond to a letter sent several weeks ago asking that the process be halted, prompting the filing of the lawsuit.

 

"The governor has dodged his responsibility," California GOP Chairwoman Jessica Patterson said, “We’re hoping the courts will compel him to clarify.”

 

Ballot harvesting has long been an election practice utilized more by Democrats than Republicans. Some Republicans are opposed to the practice, while others think the party needs to focus efforts on mobilizing collection volunteers to catch up with the Democrats.

 

This lawsuit is focused on two upcoming special election, scheduled for May 12 in California’s 25th and 28th districts. The former is to fill the congressional seat left vacated by Democrat Katie Hill, who resigned last year following a sex scandal and a congressional ethics investigation.

 

 

 


Old story again. Nothing wrong with the law when honest people do it. The more votes means the Reb. loose and that is why the Reb. oppose voting by people. The only place there was ever fraud was in the Reb. race for Congress in the Carolina's where the Reb. hired a firm to collect ballots, then change them so he would win. Looks like the CA Reb. are afraid to try that so just revert to the usual Reb. way to steal elections keep people from voteing.

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BY:  Joe Herring

 

If you were still harboring naïve notions of free and fair elections when Democrats are involved, perhaps this will help disabuse you of those fantasies.

From a Fox News report a few days ago:

 

A prominent Democratic lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign [Marc Elias] is threatening to sue the state of Nevada unless it immediately suspends prosecutions for ballot harvesting before the June 9 primary, among a slew of other demands, according to a letter obtained by Fox News on Tuesday.

 

Writing on April 10 to Nevada Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske, a Republican, Elias first took aim at Nevada Revised Statutes section 293.330(4), which prohibits ballot harvesting and permits only certain individuals, like family members, to return ballots.

 

Ballot harvesting, or the practice of allowing political operatives and others to collect voters' ballots and turn them in en masse to polling stations, has drawn bipartisan concerns of fraud from election watchers.

 

"We ask that your office and the office of the Nevada Attorney General immediately announce a suspension of prosecutions under this statute for all elections for which mail-in balloting will be the primary means of voting in the state," Elias said.

 

At the same time, Elias called for Nevada to stop throwing out ballots when signatures on voters' ballots appear different from those on voters' registrations, saying "lay election officials have never had the necessary expertise" to make an accurate determination.

Ballot-harvesting is a crime, forbidden due to the inherent opportunities for fraud, intimidation, and outright manufacture of votes.  The Democrats tried to legalize ballot-harvesting in the last stimulus go-round, but thankfully, they were caught and prevented from doing so.

 

Worse still, Elias's threats also seek to force Nevada to send a ballot to allregistered voters, regardless of whether a voter requested a ballot or not.  As you'll see, Nevada is merely the target du jour.  The same will be expected of all 50 states before November 3, 2020.

 

This effort is spearheaded by former Clinton attorney Marc Elias, a partner at Perkins Coie law firm, the same firm that facilitated and helped disseminate the fraudulent Steele dossier, which launched the Russian collusion narrative.  Unsurprisingly, Elias was the attorney who engaged Fusion GPS to procure the dossier using funds laundered through Perkins Coie. 

 

Elias is a prime example of all things wrong with the legal profession these days, a poster child for "whatever it takes" lawyerly maneuvering, regardless of ethics or legality.  His involvement also makes it clear that this is no one-off effort concerning Nevada alone. 

 

This well known Democrat fixer has a long history of fighting voter ID laws in state after state, with his legal challenges bankrolled by none other than George Soros.  He is the point of the spear in the left's effort to wrest control of the electoral process from the people of the United States.  Having licked his wounds after the 2016 debacle, Elias has emerged again, fighting the same battles, singing the same tunes.

 

Elias wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post, published on March 16, 2020.  In his missive, he outlines the same demands he has threatened against Nevada.

 

It will not be enough for states to simply allow more citizens to vote by mail.  Each state must also provide adequate resources for the printing and distribution of millions of extra ballots and to support with extra funds the officials who are tasked with processing and counting the flood of mailed ballots.  It will also require states to revisit their laws to provide free postage and community ballot collection.  States then need to address the manner in which ballots are verified to minimize rejections based on issues with voters' signatures.

Citing likely difficulties with processing large numbers of mail-in ballots, Elias says:

 

[A]ll votes postmarked by Election Day must be treated as timely and counted in full. Unfortunately, many states do not currently count ballots received after Election Day, regardless of when voters mail them.

 

Replacing Election Day receipt laws with the more intuitive postmarked-by-Election Day standard is essential.

As all Democrats do, Elias ignores the concept of personal responsibility on the part of the voter, who is naturally expected to consider mailing time when returning his ballot.  What his proposal does is completely different from what he claims that it will do.

It permits the exploitation of exit polling, enabling operatives to dump vast numbers of fraudulent ballots wherever needed on Election Day, having seen from exit polling which races and precincts are going to their opponents.

 

This cannot be permitted, as it provides specific real-time data to enable election-tampering with a specificity not seen outside of North Korea.

 

Ideally, states will act to correct these anti-democratic laws.  If not, Congress should step in and amend federal law to make clear that ballots mailed by a voter on or before Election Day must be treated as cast on Election Day.

In his own words, Elias reveals the framework for stealing an election.  Create avenues for mischief, then exploit those avenues for all they're worth.  Remembering that by threatening endless lawsuits over clearly fraudulent ballots, it's not too difficult to intimidate a county election commissioner into matching voter registration signatures against received ballot signatures with a very broad standard to avoid litigation that could bankrupt post-COVID budgets.

 

The pattern is clear.  Force a mail-in ballot scenario, suspend prohibitions against ballot-harvesting (citing reasons of health and safety, of course), and then find judges in each state to forbid the invalidating of ballots where the signatures do not match the registration.

Apart from simply declaring themselves the winner at the end of a rifle barrel, the Democrats couldn't possibly have devised a more direct path to hijacking an election.

 

This is the greatest danger we face in 2020 — not the virus, not North Korea, not even the economic effects of the virus, but rather the clear intention of one party to steal an election by any means necessary.

 

Don't be distracted: this is one issue you must not let lie fallow.   They are arranging for the invalidation of your vote, right in front of your eyes.  We mustprevent these changes, or, like a miraculous resurrection of Lenin, we will see the whole country "turn" blue November 3.

 

 

 


Gregg Re also has his own agenda that includes ignoring the constitution when it fits what he wants (look up the story about the Utah nurse who was arrested for blocking law enforcement for taking an illegal blood sample).

 

Your continued insistence that election tempering is one sided is what I find to be ridiculous and myopic.

 

The only election that I can recall in recent memory that had to be done over involved REPUBLICAN tampering, but you continually refuse to comment on that.

 

Since you are so concerned about "free and fair elections" how do you feel about gerrymandering?  Is it OK if it is Republican gerrymandering and evil if it is Democrat gerrymandering?

 

You also continue to ignore (or refuse to acknowledge) that during a pandemic, rules may need to be altered and procedures need to be in place to make sure the process remains fair.

 

The world is gray, not the black and white you seem to think it is (The white your version of the right wing and the black being everything else.)

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Indeed, SP!  The Cult whines about voter fraud but they ignore the fact that most of those arrested for voter fraud are trump supporters....

 

All This Talk of Voter Fraud? Across U.S., Officials Found Next to None 

 

Voter fraud suspect arrested in Des Moines 

 

America's poster child for Voter Fraud...

 

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A caucasian female TRUMP supporter.....

 

According to the county auditor, "It's the first time in 12 years that Polk County Auditor Jamie Fitzgerald can remember ever having to report potential voter fraud, he said. The case has been turned over to police for investigation."  She was charged with a felony....though many might suggest she should be committed for evaluation for voting for trump....TWICE!!!


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If you were still harboring naïve notions of free and fair elections when Democrats are involved, perhaps this will help disabuse you of those fantasies.

 

 

A prominent Democratic lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign [Marc Elias] is threatening to sue the state of Nevada unless it immediately suspends prosecutions for ballot harvesting before the June 9 primary, among a slew of other demands, according to a letter obtained by Fox News on Tuesday.

 

Writing on April 10 to Nevada Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske, a Republican, Elias first took aim at Nevada Revised Statutes section 293.330(4), which prohibits ballot harvesting and permits only certain individuals, like family members, to return ballots.

 

Ballot harvesting, or the practice of allowing political operatives and others to collect voters' ballots and turn them in en masse to polling stations, has drawn bipartisan concerns of fraud from election watchers.

 

"We ask that your office and the office of the Nevada Attorney General immediately announce a suspension of prosecutions under this statute for all elections for which mail-in balloting will be the primary means of voting in the state," Elias said.

 

At the same time, Elias called for Nevada to stop throwing out ballots when signatures on voters' ballots appear different from those on voters' registrations, saying "lay election officials have never had the necessary expertise" to make an accurate determination.

Ballot-harvesting is a crime, forbidden due to the inherent opportunities for fraud, intimidation, and outright manufacture of votes.  The Democrats tried to legalize ballot-harvesting in the last stimulus go-round, but thankfully, they were caught and prevented from doing so.

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The dimms here don't seem to want to address the plain fact that:

 

Ballot-harvesting is a crime, forbidden due to the inherent opportunities for fraud, intimidation, and outright manufacture of votes.  The Democrats tried to legalize ballot-harvesting in the last stimulus go-round, but thankfully, they were caught and prevented from doing so.

 

 

 

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The dimms here don't seem to want to address the plain fact that:  WRONG!  Several posters from the left side of the political spectrum as well as the center, addressed ballot harvesting last election....and not a single regressive or Repug "addressed the plain fact".....

 

Ballot-harvesting is a crime, forbidden due to the inherent opportunities for fraud, intimidation, and outright manufacture of votes.  The Democrats tried to legalize ballot-harvesting in the last stimulus go-round, but thankfully, they were caught and prevented from doing so.

 

YET....the right-wingers here were completely silent on that crime in North Carolina last year.  Why was that?  Just more hypocrisy......


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jimc91:   As all Democrats do, Elias ignores the concept of personal responsibility

 

 

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As all Democrats do, Elias ignores the concept of personal responsibility on the part of the voter, who is naturally expected to consider mailing time when returning his ballot.  What his proposal does is completely different from what he claims that it will do.

It permits the exploitation of exit polling, enabling operatives to dump vast numbers of fraudulent ballots wherever needed on Election Day, having seen from exit polling which races and precincts are going to their opponents.

 

This cannot be permitted, as it provides specific real-time data to enable election-tampering with a specificity not seen outside of North Korea.

 

Ideally, states will act to correct these anti-democratic laws.  If not, Congress should step in and amend federal law to make clear that ballots mailed by a voter on or before Election Day must be treated as cast on Election Day.

 

 

 

 

 

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jimc91:   As all Democrats do, Elias ignores the concept of personal responsibility

 

 

I'm thinking of a very highly placed Republican who never takes personal responsibility for anything.........................can you guess who that is?:)

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As all Democrats do, Elias ignores the concept of personal responsibility on the part of the voter, who is naturally expected to consider mailing time when returning his ballot.  What his proposal does is completely different from what he claims that it will do.

It permits the exploitation of exit polling, enabling operatives to dump vast numbers of fraudulent ballots wherever needed on Election Day, having seen from exit polling which races and precincts are going to their opponents.

 

This cannot be permitted, as it provides specific real-time data to enable election-tampering with a specificity not seen outside of North Korea.

 

Ideally, states will act to correct these anti-democratic laws.  If not, Congress should step in and amend federal law to make clear that ballots mailed by a voter on or before Election Day must be treated as cast on Election Day.

 

 

 

 

 


Jim, do you ever have an original thought, or are you simply waiting to be told what to think.  This is an unusual situation and steps need to be taken so that people are able to vote.  Herring's argument is bogus and uninformed.  His argument is one sided.  Why does he insist that Democrats are trying to steal something instead saying it applies to  both sides.   

Don't you think it would it be a good idea for people to start to think of how to have a fair election (for everyone, not just some far right group) before the election is to be contested?

I notice you still haven't responded to what happened in North Carolina, or do you think it was OK because it was done by your side?

Or do you want to have another repeat of the Wisconsin fiasco where mail-in requests weren't met and you had a public official in a full hazmat suit telling everybody how safe it was to vote?

His OPINION is based on nonsense.  The country will be better off when people like him go away.  If you want a true democracy, then you want participation and whoever wins, wins.

 

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Yeah. That **bleep** Biden is just sitting back and letting Trump talk about how much testing is available while the guy on the street knows they are not.  Biden did not do ONE thing to stop Trump from suggesting his medical advisers look into injecting household cleaners as a cure.  Biden also did nothing while Trump cut budgets and fired experts so we had no infrastructure to fight a pandemic. Finally, Biden did not say enough when Trump raided the treasury to pay for his tax cuts to the wealthy such that America had nothing saved during the good times for these bad times we all knew had to come. 

Oh.......and Biden keeps saying "I told you so" (ITYS).  That is not fair either 

 

 

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JimC, why don't you just start publishing your own blog and using your posts to back up your "facts".

 

I am sure your blog would be just as fact based as the hack you just posted.

 

Did you ever stop to think that this needs to be an issue decided by the courts since this vote will potentially be taking place DURING this Covid-19 epidemic when people are being advised to stay at home?  If this needs to be done, don't you think a safe way to do it should be planned out?

 

To somehow turn this into something that is trying to be done nationally and forever is ridiculous.

 

I also notice you didn't bother to respond to Centrist's question.  Did you bother to express any outrage over what went on in North Carolina?

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