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Social Security and Joe Biden

Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign responded on Saturday to former Vice President Joe Biden after Biden falsely accused the campaign of doctoring a video of him talking about Social Security cuts.


"Joe Biden should be honest with voters and stop trying to doctor his own public record of consistently and repeatedly trying to cut Social Security," Sanders' campaign manager Faiz Shakir said Saturday in a statement.
"The facts are very clear: Biden not only pushed to cut Social Security — he is on tape proudly bragging about it on multiple occasions."


Shakir's comments come after Biden, earlier on Saturday, told a crowd at Simpson College in Iowa that the Sanders campaign had “doctored the piece and it’s acknowledged that it’s a fake.”


However, the video that Biden is referencing – in which a clip of Biden's 2018 remarks to the Brookings Institution is played – was not doctored, Politico reports.


Politico: "But the video in question — of Biden’s 2018 remarks to the Brookings Institution think tank — was not doctored by Sanders, whose campaign this month stepped up criticisms of Biden’s record on Social Security."


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/18/joe-biden-falsely-attacks-bernie-sanders-100811


AS EARLY AS 1984 and as recently as 2018, former Vice President Joe Biden called for cuts to Social Security in the name of saving the program and balancing the federal budget.


Sen. Bernie Sanders highlighted Biden’s record on Social Security in prosecuting the case that Biden isn’t the most electable candidate.


After a Sanders campaign newsletter continued the attack on Biden’s Social Security record, the Biden campaign complained to fact-checkers at Politifact that his comments were being taken out of context. Placed in context, however, Biden’s record on Social Security is far worse than one offhand remark. Indeed, Biden has been advocating for cuts to Social Security for roughly 40 years.


And after a Republican wave swept Congress in 1994, Biden’s support for cutting Social Security, and his general advocacy for budget austerity, made him a leading combatant in the centrist-wing battle against the party’s retreating liberals in the 1980s and ’90s.


https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/


Joe Biden: “I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time.”....

 

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Social Security and Joe Biden

 

Points well taken by different posters .

 

Lets keep in mind all theses candidates are human, and they all want to win.

 

It's also true they're bound to be disappointed if they lose.

 

How they respond to things not going their way could be an indication of character.

 

Personally I've had all I can stand of Neo-Liberal economics, a reason we have a problem with Social Security is wages adjusted for inflation have been flat since Nixon.

 

I don't think I can blame Biden for that, that is in fact what boomers voted for in elections. 

 

We can't undo history, the question is what are we going to do about it now. 

 

I'm going to keep an open mind, but in the end I won't divide the left so the right can win. 

 

If Andrew Yang ends up being the candidate I'll support and vote for him. 

 

That's what I did in the last election when Hillary Clinton was the candidate, that's what I'll do in this election. 

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I will admit that I see the Democrats in a different view than most of them. But, this new attack of Biden  is not conducive to anything positive.
What I am seeing is a campaign that knows that they will not win and now is simply trying to put some dirt on the other candidate. That is so like Trump. I wish they know that.

But, as I always have said, Democrats don't know how to win elections.

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I will admit that I see the Democrats in a different view than most of them. But, this new attack of Biden  is not conducive to anything positive.
What I am seeing is a campaign that knows that they will not win and now is simply trying to put some dirt on the other candidate...

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January 23, 2020


Nancy Altman -- President of Social Security Works


Why Joe Biden’s Social Security Record Matters


Vice President Joe Biden’s record on Social Security should be extremely important to voters.


It is essential that the truth about Biden’s past openness to cuts is made clear, despite the fact that he now opposes cuts and supports expanding Social Security. It is crucial to see the truth to ensure that mainstream Democrats never again ignore the overwhelming will of the people on this issue, as they once did.


From Social Security’s enactment in 1935 until the 1970s, the Democratic Party pushed to expand Social Security. But a campaign orchestrated by a small number of extremely wealthy and well-connected individuals gradually convinced the media, the public and too many members of the Democratic Party, that Social Security was somehow unaffordable and so must be cut.
Nothing, of course, could be further from the truth.

At its most expensive, at the end of the 21st century, Social Security will cost just 6% of the nation’s gross domestic product. Most other industrialized countries spend much higher percentages of their GDPs on their counterpart programs today.


But leaning on the simplistic and unremarkable fact that life expectancies are increasing, the campaign to undermine confidence in Social Security was successful for a time.

 

It convinced too many mainstream Democratic politicians that Social Security could only be “saved” by going behind closed doors and producing a bipartisan package of benefit cuts and revenue increases.

One of the mainstream Democratic politicians so convinced was Joe Biden.


One of the few politicians who bucked the conventional wisdom and recognized that cutting Social Security was a question of values, not affordability, was Senator Bernie Sanders.


Unlike the vote to authorize the Iraq War, which was on the record, the efforts to cut Social Security were cloaked in secrecy, obscured from sight, because they were such bad policy and politics. Consequently, they were discussed in coded language about the need to “fix,” or “save” Social Security and the importance of “reforming entitlements.”


Full story...


https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyaltman/2020/01/23/why-joe-bidens-social-security-record-matters/#1...


and


https://socialsecurityworks.org/2020/01/21/joe-bidens-social-security-record-is-cause-for-concern/
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@gordyfl wrote:

I will admit that I see the Democrats in a different view than most of them. But, this new attack of Biden  is not conducive to anything positive.
What I am seeing is a campaign that knows that they will not win and now is simply trying to put some dirt on the other candidate...

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January 23, 2020


Nancy Altman -- President of Social Security Works


Why Joe Biden’s Social Security Record Matters


Vice President Joe Biden’s record on Social Security should be extremely important to voters.


It is essential that the truth about Biden’s past openness to cuts is made clear, despite the fact that he now opposes cuts and supports expanding Social Security. It is crucial to see the truth to ensure that mainstream Democrats never again ignore the overwhelming will of the people on this issue, as they once did.


From Social Security’s enactment in 1935 until the 1970s, the Democratic Party pushed to expand Social Security. But a campaign orchestrated by a small number of extremely wealthy and well-connected individuals gradually convinced the media, the public and too many members of the Democratic Party, that Social Security was somehow unaffordable and so must be cut.
Nothing, of course, could be further from the truth.

At its most expensive, at the end of the 21st century, Social Security will cost just 6% of the nation’s gross domestic product. Most other industrialized countries spend much higher percentages of their GDPs on their counterpart programs today.


But leaning on the simplistic and unremarkable fact that life expectancies are increasing, the campaign to undermine confidence in Social Security was successful for a time.

 

It convinced too many mainstream Democratic politicians that Social Security could only be “saved” by going behind closed doors and producing a bipartisan package of benefit cuts and revenue increases.

One of the mainstream Democratic politicians so convinced was Joe Biden.


One of the few politicians who bucked the conventional wisdom and recognized that cutting Social Security was a question of values, not affordability, was Senator Bernie Sanders.


Unlike the vote to authorize the Iraq War, which was on the record, the efforts to cut Social Security were cloaked in secrecy, obscured from sight, because they were such bad policy and politics. Consequently, they were discussed in coded language about the need to “fix,” or “save” Social Security and the importance of “reforming entitlements.”


Full story...


https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyaltman/2020/01/23/why-joe-bidens-social-security-record-matters/#1...


and


https://socialsecurityworks.org/2020/01/21/joe-bidens-social-security-record-is-cause-for-concern/
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 I have noticed that some are trying to make it a no-no to talk about Biden's past position on issues, but bringing up the past of other candidates is wide open.  The past matters, just like tRump's past did that so many ignored.

 

As to the long term Conservative plan to Cut social Security.......... it's real, and they will go to any length. My hope is that not enough politicians are naive enough to buy into it. Bernie never has.


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@Roxanna35 wrote:

I will admit that I see the Democrats in a different view than most of them. But, this new attack of Biden  is not conducive to anything positive.
What I am seeing is a campaign that knows that they will not win and now is simply trying to put some dirt on the other candidate. That is so like Trump. I wish they know that.

But, as I always have said, Democrats don't know how to win elections.


To be fair, the attacks here on Bernie and other candidates aren't "conductive to anything positive" either.  "Democrats don't know how to win elections" isn't "conductive to anything positive" either.

 

Did you watch the Republican Primaries in 2016 ??????  They filled the stage up, argued and attacked each other. They won the 2016 election, they eliminated counting a large block of votes in Florida. Are you saying the Dems need to learn how to do that?


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@gruffstuff wrote:

Social Security and Joe Biden

 

Points well taken by different posters .

 

Lets keep in mind all theses candidates are human, and they all want to win.

 

It's also true they're bound to be disappointed if they lose.

 

How they respond to things not going their way could be an indication of character.

 

Personally I've had all I can stand of Neo-Liberal economics, a reason we have a problem with Social Security is wages adjusted for inflation have been flat since Nixon.

 

I don't think I can blame Biden for that, that is in fact what boomers voted for in elections. 

 

We can't undo history, the question is what are we going to do about it now. 

 

I'm going to keep an open mind, but in the end I won't divide the left so the right can win. 

 

If Andrew Yang ends up being the candidate I'll support and vote for him. 

 

That's what I did in the last election when Hillary Clinton was the candidate, that's what I'll do in this election. 


Well said Gruffstuff. We criticize the candidates for going after each other and yet some here in this forum denigrate candidates they don't support and/or others who support them.

 

I supported Sanders in the 2016 Primary and then supported and voted for Hillary. I support Sanders/and or Warren now but will vote for whatever Democrat wins the Primary.

 

There is nothing wrong with discussing the candidate's voting records, but there is no sense in denigrating other candidates or other posters for disagreeing.


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I support anyone running except Sanders for other reasons besides the fact he voted 5 times against gun control....against Emily's List (for who knows why ) and against regulations...the same ones that took us down in 2008.

It doesn't matter who.....all the candidates who are democrats....Biden, Warren etc. go down the list  want to save Soc Security so that's not an issue at least for me.

Sanders wasn’t that responsible for his online hordes following him last time especially since there was plenty of Russian troll armies doing stuff to stir things up. He was responsible for his own behavior however.
WHEN he started losing and lashing out.when he didn't get endorsements he started insulting the organizations that didn’t endorse him. When Planned Parenthood stood with Hillary who had always stood by P P , he called them establishment which by then he had defined to mean "anyone who isn’t me."
Sanders claimed Hillary wasn’t qualified despite her clear record being qualified and doubled down until the wave of outrage pushed him back slightly. Then he started making claims that the party he wasn't a member of ... was being unfair to him. He even wrote a letter to Debbie Wasserman Schultz making that claim and threatened a floor fight at the convention if he didn’t get his way.

There were countless examples of these petty, mean-spirited things he did. He trashes the Democratic Party yet he uses it....calling him self a democratic socialist or something to the effect but registered as an independent.....I suppose so he can VOTE either way......being the fraud I believe he is

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I support anyone running except Sanders for other reasons besides the fact he voted 5 times against gun control....against Emily's List

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https://emilyslist.org/news/entry/emilys-list-endorses-pramila-jayapal-for-congress-in-washington-st...


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Pamila Jayapal Endorses Bernie Sanders


Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), a co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and one of the most prominent women of color in Congress, is endorsing Sen. Bernie Sanders for president.


Pamila Jayapal: "I'm all in for BernieSanders for President! Bernie has the bold passion, authenticity & clarity that working people across this country desperately need.
We are building the progressive movement that will bring justice & opportunity & transform our country. Join us!".


https://mobile.twitter.com/pramilajayapal/status/1218950000538841089?ref_url=https%3a%2f%2fjackpiner...


In a tweet, Sanders praised Jayapal as "a brilliant leader for progressive ideas."


"She has led the fight against Trump's racism, sexism and xenophobia" added Sanders.

 

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Jayapal will join Sanders for a rally in Des Moines, Iowa on Monday to unveil her endorsement.


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/19/because-i-can-feel-bernie-beating-trump-pramila-jayapal...


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Here is reality for the person beating Trump. They will spend the next 4 years cleaning up the mess Trump leaves behind. There will be no big new program come forwarded from any of them. If they save what we had under Obama, and return them to where they were it will be job well done. They have to make the world think the uSA will never again elect some hack like Trump again, and we will keep our word. That will be one big job for them.

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Chasky may or may not be right, but the point is crystal clear, this type of strategy will end up benefitting only one person, Donald Trump.

 

As I stated before, if you're going to criticize Joe Biden, don't use comments made 35 years ago, read his website and check out his current position on SS.

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As I stated before, if you're going to criticize Joe Biden, don't use comments made 35 years ago, read his website and check out his current position on SS.

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Of course he has "current positions". He's running for President.

Why not look at his record over the past 35 years?

 

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Elizabeth Warren: “Bernie Sanders and I established the ‘Expand Social Security Caucus’ in the Senate. As a senator, Joe Biden had a very different position on Social Security, and I think everyone's records on Social Security are important in this election.”


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/19/warren-joins-bernie-jabbing-biden-social-security-101111

 

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This is a devious plot to divide the Dems by slandering Joe Biden's position on Social Security. That would be the perfect plan to help Comrade Trump divide his oppostion and get re-elected. Please ignore this dangerous strategy which will only benefit Trump.

 

I don't care what he did or said 35 years ago. Check out Joe Biden's website and you will see his current stance on Social Securty.

 

III. PRESERVE AND STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY

Social Security is the bedrock of American retirement. Roughly 90% of retirement-age Americans receive Social Security benefits, and one-in-four rely on Social Security for all, or almost all, of their income. The program has not only ensured that middle-class workers can enjoy the sound and secure retirement they worked so hard for, it also lifted over 17 million older Americans out of poverty in 2017 alone. 

 

The Biden Plan will protect Social Security for the millions of Americans who depend on the program. With Social Security’s Trust Fund already in deficit and expected to be exhausted in 2035, we urgently need action to make the program solvent and prevent cuts to American retirees. 

But the Biden Plan doesn’t stop there. As president, Joe Biden will strengthen benefits for the most vulnerable older Americans – including widows and widowers, lifelong workers with low monthly benefits, and old-age beneficiaries who may have exhausted their other savings. Specifically, the Biden Plan will:

  • Put Social Security on a path to long-run solvency. The impending exhaustion of the Social Security Trust fund imperils American retirement as we know it. Waiting to act only jeopardizes the program further, and will make an eventual solution that much more difficult. The Biden Plan will put the program on a path to long-term solvency by asking Americans with especially high wages to pay the same taxes on those earnings that middle-class families pay.
  • Preserve the nature of Social Security. Social Security is one of our nation’s great public policy successes, in large part due to the fact that participation in the program is shared across almost all workers. Efforts to privatize the program – such as an approach suggested under the Bush Administration – will undermine the program’s solvency, while putting at risk individuals’ income in retirement. Similarly, proposals to make the program “means-tested” – so that only low-income retirees workers receive benefits – jeopardizes the program’s universal nature and key role as the bedrock of American retirement. Ultimately, the success of Social Security is largely due to the fact that almost all Americans can rely on the program to make their retirement more secure. 
  • Provide a higher benefit for the oldest Americans. At advanced ages, Americans become more vulnerable to exhausting their savings, sometimes falling into poverty and living a life of hardship. The Biden Plan will provide the oldest beneficiaries – those who have been receiving retirement benefits for at least 20 years – with a higher monthly check to help protect retirees from the pain of dwindling retirement savings. 
  • Implement a true minimum benefit for lifelong workers. No one who has worked for decades and paid into Social Security should have to spend their retirement in poverty. The Biden Plan will revolutionize the Social Security’s minimum benefit, which has deteriorated over time to the point of being entirely ineffective. Under the Biden Plan, workers who spent 30 years working will get a benefit of at least 125% of the poverty level. 
  • Protect widows and widowers from steep cuts in benefits. For many couples, the death of a spouse means that Social Security benefits will be cut in half – putting pressure on the surviving spouse who still needs to make the mortgage payment and handle other bills. The Biden Plan will allow surviving spouse to keep a higher share of the benefits. This will make an appreciable difference in the finances of older Americans, especially women (who live longer on average than men), raising the monthly payment by about 20% for affected beneficiaries. 
  • Eliminate penalties for teachers and other public-sector workers. Current rules penalize teachers and other public sector workers who either switch jobs or who have earned retirement benefits from various sources. The Biden Plan would eliminate these penalties by ensuring that teachers not eligible for Social Security will begin receiving benefits sooner – rather than the current ten-year period for many teachers. The Biden Plan will also get rid of the benefit cuts for workers and surviving beneficiaries who happen to be covered by both Social Security and another pension. These workers deserve the benefits they earned. 
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@CriticalThinking wrote:

This is a devious plot to divide the Dems by slandering Joe Biden's position ......


 Joe Biden should have explained how his opinion on this has changed over the years instead of falsly claiming that Bernie doctored a video.


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Tim Russert: "Would you consider looking at those programs, age of eligibility, cost of living, putting it all on the table?"


Joe Biden: "Absolutely. The answer is absolutely yes. You have to. One of the things my political advisers say to me, is, whoa, don’t touch that third rail....

 

...Medicare. That's the gorilla in the room. And you've got to put all of it on the table."


Tim Russert: "Everything."


Joe Biden: "Everything. You've got to."

 

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I would be curious to find out if Biden's views remain the same regarding Social Secuiry, because if his veiw is the same I would then turn my vote to either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

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