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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

To summarize our discussion so far:

 

  • We need the military playing volleyball  along our southern border  to protect against a coming caravan but only until 15 days BEFORE the caravan arrives. 
  • The caravan is about 40 days from arriving at American borders but already they have achieved "illegal" status. 
  • There are 500 criminals travelling within the caravan but we do not know which members of the caravan, what their crimes were, or how they arrived at that number.  

Have I missed anything?


Couple items that came to light recently.

 

First off, Der Trumper declared refugees could ONLY apply for asylum at a a few designated "Ports of Entry" along the Mexican border. THIS is what increased the number of people showing up at each location, not an increase in the number of people who ANNUALLY make this same protest march, but Der Trumper knew his lofo supporters would be more freightened if there were LOTS of brown people in one place, so that's how he arranged it.

 

Second, NONE of the Troops Der Trumper sent will be used to "secure the border". Seems their major objective was to construct facilities to house 5,200 Troops in the field for a couple weeks.

 

Third, Pentagon estimates the entire goat rope will end up costing taxpayers $210,000,000 - that's $72,000,000 for the active duty and another $138,000,000 for the 2,100 National Guard troops already there. No estimate on how many of those Gardsmen will lose their jobs because they had to rope goats for Der Trumper and their employers had to bring in replacements or lose their homes because they could not afford their mortgages on their Guard pay and their boss refused to continue their regular pay since they WERE NOT WORKING.


Where else would you like a person to apply for asylum in order to enter the country but entry points?

 

You call this a "protest march". Cool, as with any "protest march" do your march, chant your chants, get your picture taken and go home.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

To summarize pervert our discussion so far:

 

  • We need the military playing volleyball  along our southern border  to protect against a coming caravan but only until 15 days BEFORE the caravan arrives. 
  • Inaccurate assumption on your part.
  • The caravan is about 40 days from arriving at American borders but already they have achieved "illegal" status. 
  • Inaccurate assumption on your part.
  • There are 500 criminals travelling within the caravan but we do not know which members of the caravan, what their crimes were, or how they arrived at that number.  
  • The exact number is debatable but it should be fairly obvious that it is not zero.

Have I missed anything?

A lot.


 


 

 

I agree that there is more then one criminal in the caravan but Homeland Security stated a specific number. How did they come up with that number? Well, it involved a proctologist,  a flashlight, and  a command by Trump. 


O.K. - "some" number. How about 2,000 - is that acceptable to you?

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@Richva wrote:

To summarize our discussion so far:

 

  • We need the military playing volleyball  along our southern border  to protect against a coming caravan but only until 15 days BEFORE the caravan arrives. 
  • The caravan is about 40 days from arriving at American borders but already they have achieved "illegal" status. 
  • There are 500 criminals travelling within the caravan but we do not know which members of the caravan, what their crimes were, or how they arrived at that number.  

Have I missed anything?


Couple items that came to light recently.

 

First off, Der Trumper declared refugees could ONLY apply for asylum at a a few designated "Ports of Entry" along the Mexican border. THIS is what increased the number of people showing up at each location, not an increase in the number of people who ANNUALLY make this same protest march, but Der Trumper knew his lofo supporters would be more freightened if there were LOTS of brown people in one place, so that's how he arranged it.

 

Second, NONE of the Troops Der Trumper sent will be used to "secure the border". Seems their major objective was to construct facilities to house 5,200 Troops in the field for a couple weeks.

 

Third, Pentagon estimates the entire goat rope will end up costing taxpayers $210,000,000 - that's $72,000,000 for the active duty and another $138,000,000 for the 2,100 National Guard troops already there. No estimate on how many of those Gardsmen will lose their jobs because they had to rope goats for Der Trumper and their employers had to bring in replacements or lose their homes because they could not afford their mortgages on their Guard pay and their boss refused to continue their regular pay since they WERE NOT WORKING.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

To summarize pervert our discussion so far:

 

  • We need the military playing volleyball  along our southern border  to protect against a coming caravan but only until 15 days BEFORE the caravan arrives. 
  • Inaccurate assumption on your part.
  • The caravan is about 40 days from arriving at American borders but already they have achieved "illegal" status. 
  • Inaccurate assumption on your part.
  • There are 500 criminals travelling within the caravan but we do not know which members of the caravan, what their crimes were, or how they arrived at that number.  
  • The exact number is debatable but it should be fairly obvious that it is not zero.

Have I missed anything?

A lot.


 


 

 

I agree that there is more then one criminal in the caravan but Homeland Security stated a specific number. How did they come up with that number? Well, it involved a proctologist,  a flashlight, and  a command by Trump. 

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@Richva wrote:

To summarize pervert our discussion so far:

 

  • We need the military playing volleyball  along our southern border  to protect against a coming caravan but only until 15 days BEFORE the caravan arrives. 
  • Inaccurate assumption on your part.
  • The caravan is about 40 days from arriving at American borders but already they have achieved "illegal" status. 
  • Inaccurate assumption on your part.
  • There are 500 criminals travelling within the caravan but we do not know which members of the caravan, what their crimes were, or how they arrived at that number.  
  • The exact number is debatable but it should be fairly obvious that it is not zero.

Have I missed anything?

A lot.


 

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To summarize our discussion so far:

 

  • We need the military playing volleyball  along our southern border  to protect against a coming caravan but only until 15 days BEFORE the caravan arrives. 
  • The caravan is about 40 days from arriving at American borders but already they have achieved "illegal" status. 
  • There are 500 criminals travelling within the caravan but we do not know which members of the caravan, what their crimes were, or how they arrived at that number.  

Have I missed anything?

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@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   If we are to have borders, is crossing them without approval not a violation? If not, what meaning does a border have?

 

 

We already have laws concerning our border and how to deal with asylum seekers which have worked.........until Trump. He creates havoc by disregarding those laws, then declares there is a crisis. He must like getting taken to the woodshed by our courts.


Do you realize that the CA Judge effectively has said we have no borders since there are no consequences for coming in illegally?

 

After six more years Trump will no longer be President. it is a shame to see hatred for him do such damage to our country that will no doubt outlast him. And sad to see the short sighted hate-filled people applauding the damage to our nation.

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@Panjandrum wrote:

rk9152:   If we are to have borders, is crossing them without approval not a violation? If not, what meaning does a border have?

 

 


Yes, that would be a violation of the law and should be prevented but since the people in the caravan are planning to ask for refugee status at the border in compliance with U.S. law, are we not talking about another fake news story from the right. By the way, they are anticipated to reach the border by end of December.   Why is it the right has a crystal ball for upcoming crimes but no one else does?

 

WHEN someone breaks our laws, let us know. 

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rk9152:   If we are to have borders, is crossing them without approval not a violation? If not, what meaning does a border have?

 

 

We already have laws concerning our border and how to deal with asylum seekers which have worked.........until Trump. He creates havoc by disregarding those laws, then declares there is a crisis. He must like getting taken to the woodshed by our courts.

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@Richva wrote:

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

Never confuse Trump Cult members with facts. One of the safest cities in America is El Paso, which is virtually on the border with Mexico.

 

Every reputable study of illegal immigrants reveals that unlike our President,  they are one of the most law abiding groups in America.


Shall we then simply ignore all regulations regarding our borders?


God no but if we are are going to arrest people preemptively for violating rules before they have done so.........Trump is going to be in BIG trouble. 


If we are to have borders, is crossing them without approval not a violation? If not, what meaning does a border have?

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