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Since both Comey and McCabe took copious memos after their encounters with Trump, I say we just read those and then ask Trump to comment on his memories of what was said. If the documents Comey and McCabe prepared are similar and Trump can't dispute them, I guess we know what the truth is.

 

How is Donald coming along with the porn star he never slept with but paid $130K in hush money? THERE is a metric of character, eh?   

 

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McCabe just made life tough for Comey and the special counsel

 

Following his termination late Friday night, former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe declared that he was “singled out” after “unrelenting” attacks by President Trump and critics. McCabe’s objections are less than credible, given the virtually unprecedented recommendation of career officials to fire the one-time acting FBI director.

 

However, McCabe may have rectified his “singled out” status with his long statement criticizing his termination: In the middle of it is a line that could be viewed as incriminating fired FBI director James Comey, not just in leaking sensitive information but also in lying to Congress.

 

McCabe is accused of misleading investigators about allegedly giving information to a former Wall Street Journal reporter about the investigation of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton family’s charitable foundation. McCabe asserts in his post-firing statement that he not only had authority to “share” that information to the media but did so with the knowledge of “the director.” The FBI director at the time was Comey.

 

“I chose to share with a reporter through my public affairs officer and a legal counselor,” McCabe stated. “As deputy director, I was one of only a few people who had the authority to do that. It was not a secret, it took place over several days, and others, including the director, were aware of the interaction with the reporter.”

 

If the “interaction” means leaking the information, then McCabe’s statement would seem to directly contradict statements Comey made in a May 2017 congressional hearing. Asked if he had “ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation” or whether he had “ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation,” Comey replied “never” and “no.”

 

The Justice Department’s inspector general clearly saw this “interaction” as problematic in seeking answers from McCabe. If the inspector general considered this to be a leak to the media, any approval by Comey would be highly significant. Comey already faces serious questions over his use of a Columbia University Law School professor to leak information to the media following his own termination as director.

 

In leaving the FBI last year, Comey improperly removed memos about the Russian investigation that he wrote concerning meetings with Trump. Since these memos discussed an ongoing FBI investigation and were written on an FBI computer, the bureau reportedly confirmed they were viewed as official documents subject to review and approval prior to any removal or disclosure.

 

Comey could have given the memos to the congressional oversight committees. Instead, he removed at least seven memos and gave at least four to his professor-friend to leak to the media. Four of the seven memos that Comey removed are now believed to be classified. Since he reportedly gave four memos to his friend to leak to the media, at least one of the leaked memos was likely classified.

Now, McCabe appears to be suggesting that Comey was consulted before the alleged leak to the media on the Clinton investigation. Many of us had speculated that it seemed unlikely McCabe would take such a step without consulting with Comey. Yet, Comey repeatedly stated that he had never leaked nor caused anyone to leak information to the media.

 

The timing for Comey could not be worse. He already has started selling tickets, for roughly $100 each, to attend the tour for his forthcoming book, “A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership.” If he gave McCabe the green light for his “interaction,” the title could prove embarrassingly ironic.

 

If this was determined to be a leak with his approval, Comey likely would be labeled not just a leaker but a liar. Worse, his second-in-command just lost his pension after more than 20 years with the bureau, while Comey is about to cash in on a book and publicity tour potentially worth millions.

 

Comey also will be releasing his book around the same time as the inspector general’s report is expected to be made public. The inspector general reportedly will detail a number of irregularities under Comey’s watch. So the book could look more like a work of fiction if the inspector general finds that the FBI was a mess under Comey’s “leadership.”

 

McCabe’s termination is likely to only add to Comey’s problems. Four U.S. senators are calling for appointment of a second special counsel to investigate the Justice Department during the Clinton investigation. Moreover, there could be serious questions raised over the indictment of former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn for misleading investigators, which is the same allegation that McCabe faced before his termination. McCabe’s case could still be referred to prosecutors for possible indictment under the same provision used against Flynn.

 

The McCabe controversy could also make life tougher for special counsel Robert Mueller. While McCabe lashed out at Trump in his statement, he may have just given Trump the long-sought cover to use his pardon power. If McCabe is not charged, Trump could cite that decision as the basis for pardoning Flynn, as a matter of equity and fairness.

 

More generally, the apparent conduct of both McCabe and Comey have fulfilled the narrative long advanced by Trump of a biased and unprincipled FBI investigation. Given Trump’s ill-advised inclination to fire Mueller in the past, these allegations of leaks and misrepresentations inside the FBI could rekindle Trump’s interest in forcing an end to the investigation that has dogged his administration for a year.

 

Trump would be unwise to take such action. Instead, McCabe’s firing should reinforce calls for an independent investigation with the maximum level of transparency. The same is true for the Russia investigation of the Trump campaign. This country is deeply divided over the allegations against Trump and his opponents. We will not overcome this chasm until we are satisfied that we have the full factual record from the Clinton and Russia investigations.

 

This is particularly true for the FBI, which will not be able to regain the trust of many Americans without making a clean break from scandal. That means total transparency, which runs against the bureau’s culture. Yet, without greater disclosure, the public will be left wondering if a sense of Comey’s “Higher Loyalty” dangerously blurred the lines between “Truth, Lies, and Leadership.”

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/378919-mccabe-just-made-life-tough-for-comey-and-the-special-co...

 

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This is particularly true for the FBI, which will not be able to regain the trust of many Americans without making a clean break from scandal.

 

SO TRUE...

 

 


Look how desperately the far right keep trying to make the silly subject carry on. The leaders really are afraid people will move to the important news of the day.  Now here is some real news.

It has been reported that the person Trump wants to head the CIA will not be able to travel to Europe as there is an arrest warrant out for her. She would be arrested for the Torture Program she ran for the CIA, and turned over to a world court for trial. This is the court that tried the war criminals from the Balkin war in the 1990. Yes she and Trump have a lot in common.

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McCabe just made life tough for Comey and the special counsel

 

Following his termination late Friday night, former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe declared that he was “singled out” after “unrelenting” attacks by President Trump and critics. McCabe’s objections are less than credible, given the virtually unprecedented recommendation of career officials to fire the one-time acting FBI director.

 

However, McCabe may have rectified his “singled out” status with his long statement criticizing his termination: In the middle of it is a line that could be viewed as incriminating fired FBI director James Comey, not just in leaking sensitive information but also in lying to Congress.

 

McCabe is accused of misleading investigators about allegedly giving information to a former Wall Street Journal reporter about the investigation of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton family’s charitable foundation. McCabe asserts in his post-firing statement that he not only had authority to “share” that information to the media but did so with the knowledge of “the director.” The FBI director at the time was Comey.

 

“I chose to share with a reporter through my public affairs officer and a legal counselor,” McCabe stated. “As deputy director, I was one of only a few people who had the authority to do that. It was not a secret, it took place over several days, and others, including the director, were aware of the interaction with the reporter.”

 

If the “interaction” means leaking the information, then McCabe’s statement would seem to directly contradict statements Comey made in a May 2017 congressional hearing. Asked if he had “ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation” or whether he had “ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation,” Comey replied “never” and “no.”

 

The Justice Department’s inspector general clearly saw this “interaction” as problematic in seeking answers from McCabe. If the inspector general considered this to be a leak to the media, any approval by Comey would be highly significant. Comey already faces serious questions over his use of a Columbia University Law School professor to leak information to the media following his own termination as director.

 

In leaving the FBI last year, Comey improperly removed memos about the Russian investigation that he wrote concerning meetings with Trump. Since these memos discussed an ongoing FBI investigation and were written on an FBI computer, the bureau reportedly confirmed they were viewed as official documents subject to review and approval prior to any removal or disclosure.

 

Comey could have given the memos to the congressional oversight committees. Instead, he removed at least seven memos and gave at least four to his professor-friend to leak to the media. Four of the seven memos that Comey removed are now believed to be classified. Since he reportedly gave four memos to his friend to leak to the media, at least one of the leaked memos was likely classified.

Now, McCabe appears to be suggesting that Comey was consulted before the alleged leak to the media on the Clinton investigation. Many of us had speculated that it seemed unlikely McCabe would take such a step without consulting with Comey. Yet, Comey repeatedly stated that he had never leaked nor caused anyone to leak information to the media.

 

The timing for Comey could not be worse. He already has started selling tickets, for roughly $100 each, to attend the tour for his forthcoming book, “A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership.” If he gave McCabe the green light for his “interaction,” the title could prove embarrassingly ironic.

 

If this was determined to be a leak with his approval, Comey likely would be labeled not just a leaker but a liar. Worse, his second-in-command just lost his pension after more than 20 years with the bureau, while Comey is about to cash in on a book and publicity tour potentially worth millions.

 

Comey also will be releasing his book around the same time as the inspector general’s report is expected to be made public. The inspector general reportedly will detail a number of irregularities under Comey’s watch. So the book could look more like a work of fiction if the inspector general finds that the FBI was a mess under Comey’s “leadership.”

 

McCabe’s termination is likely to only add to Comey’s problems. Four U.S. senators are calling for appointment of a second special counsel to investigate the Justice Department during the Clinton investigation. Moreover, there could be serious questions raised over the indictment of former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn for misleading investigators, which is the same allegation that McCabe faced before his termination. McCabe’s case could still be referred to prosecutors for possible indictment under the same provision used against Flynn.

 

The McCabe controversy could also make life tougher for special counsel Robert Mueller. While McCabe lashed out at Trump in his statement, he may have just given Trump the long-sought cover to use his pardon power. If McCabe is not charged, Trump could cite that decision as the basis for pardoning Flynn, as a matter of equity and fairness.

 

More generally, the apparent conduct of both McCabe and Comey have fulfilled the narrative long advanced by Trump of a biased and unprincipled FBI investigation. Given Trump’s ill-advised inclination to fire Mueller in the past, these allegations of leaks and misrepresentations inside the FBI could rekindle Trump’s interest in forcing an end to the investigation that has dogged his administration for a year.

 

Trump would be unwise to take such action. Instead, McCabe’s firing should reinforce calls for an independent investigation with the maximum level of transparency. The same is true for the Russia investigation of the Trump campaign. This country is deeply divided over the allegations against Trump and his opponents. We will not overcome this chasm until we are satisfied that we have the full factual record from the Clinton and Russia investigations.

 

This is particularly true for the FBI, which will not be able to regain the trust of many Americans without making a clean break from scandal. That means total transparency, which runs against the bureau’s culture. Yet, without greater disclosure, the public will be left wondering if a sense of Comey’s “Higher Loyalty” dangerously blurred the lines between “Truth, Lies, and Leadership.”

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/378919-mccabe-just-made-life-tough-for-comey-and-the-special-co...

 

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This is particularly true for the FBI, which will not be able to regain the trust of many Americans without making a clean break from scandal.

 

SO TRUE...

 

 

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This is the usual attempt to keep people on the silly subject and away from the real news of the day. First the answer who is lying. The answer is simple. Neither of them. Trump is. Now we just closed the silly subject from the leaders to the followers (enablers).

Thank you John.  The Cult obviously does not recognize what is a lie so yes, it is silly to pretend they do.

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@john258wrote:

This is the usual attempt to keep people on the silly subject and away from the real news of the day. .


I will quote centrist2010 here:

 

There really is no requirement that you post a response especially when you have nothing to contribute to the discussion. Unless, of course, trolling is your passion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This is the usual attempt to keep people on the silly subject and away from the real news of the day. First the answer who is lying. The answer is simple. Neither of them. Trump is. Now we just closed the silly subject from the leaders to the followers (enablers).

Last week Trump told Reb. Donner's in MO. that he just made up figures to give to the Canadian PM at a meeting on Tariffs. All thinking people called Trump out on that for telling more lies even to the leader of a very close ally. That subject died away as Trump went his merry way of destroying the country.

About 2 days ago there was a report from the Govt. of Canada. It asked the US Govt. to please let it know what meeting Trump did that at. Seems the Canadian Govt. can not find it and they have notes from all meetings held between the two men. No reply from US govt.  HERE IS WHAT THE CANADIAN GOVT. IS TELLING ALL.   TRUMP ONCE AGAIN LIED TO THE REB. DONNER'S IN MO, not the Canadian PM.  Well once again it proves Trump lies all the time. So if you want a liar just name Trump, and his enablers (leaders & followers) do the same.   Lets hope they now close this  subject for good.

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Pure partisanship. If the poster of this topic was really worried about someone lying he surely wouldn't be supporting trump.


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The FBI gave Trump the election two weeks before the election with the new E-Mails from Hillary which didn't amount to nothing. And how Trump rewards the FBI?  Just like the child tyrant rewards anyone who is unfortunate enough to think he/she has a position of responsibility within his orginization. 

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Trump is, over and over and over and over and over and over and over, well you get the point. It's pathological!
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Generally, I merely call the shoddy nature of the sources cited by this poster to the attention of the forum.  I choose not to dignify his propaganda product in any other way.  Here the poster invites the reader to accept a premise advanced and pursued by a partisan hack.  That would be Senator Grassley, whose view of the world is so colored by non-rational adherence to a non-rational philosophy his own veracity is simply not 'believable'.  He advocates...nothing more, nothing less...and employs demagoguery to do it.

 

'Lack of candor', you will all recall, is the reason cited by the DOJ director, Jeff Sessions as justification for the McCabe firing. 

 

Candor, by Webster's definition, is "1.  the state or quality of being frank, open and sincere in speech or expression:  candidness:  The candor of the speech impressed the audience.  2. freedom from bias; fairness, impartiality:  to consider an issue with candor.  3. obs.  kindliness.  4. obs.  purity.

 

Professionals in law enforcement, at any level, must be held to the highest standards of 'candor' in and out of their professions.  That is also the case for any and all elected public officials acting within and without their public capacity, else they should be removed from their office.

 

Once having been lied to, from then on one simply cannot believe the liar....nor can the sources used by anyone who shades the actual truth be accepted without challenge.

 

We have someone here who regularly abuses the very essence of candor, calling a liar a liar, citing a liar as case in point.  Absurd.

 

The 'real' issue will now play out.  An immeninetly reliable investigator is in charge.  I'm going to wait a bit and see what he says about all this.  That doesn't mean I will sit idly by while a self appointed propaganda maven practices in public. 

 

 

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