Centristsin2010 wrote:@Centristsin2010 Hearing that! DH, who is treated to my observations pritnear daily (poor guy, he's really a saint to be able to live with me) still scoffs at my allegations of systemic misogyny.
@Epster For convenience, I'm combing a few of your points here of which I disagree, with all due respect, and for what it's worth, I think is quite high.
First of all, good for DH! Must be one helllava guy.....he's got his hands full.
Secondly, I agree there is systematic misogyny, just as there is is systematic racism as well. We can thank white males for THAT!!!
White males have been fighting against much of any change for decades.....
I DO think the exploitation goes both ways. Women have been exploiting men as well. Are the women in the video exploiting men for easy money? **bleep** straight! Have woman exploited men by dressing in a provocative way to get jobs (sometimes), free drinks in a bar (often), and to turn heads? Sure!!! It's easy to blame men, as we both have, but we also need to recognize it does indeed go both ways.
@Centristsin2010 DH can sometimes be heard chanting something about picking the Scottish Highlander/Viking. On occasion it rather sounds like a lamentation. 
Sure, I never intended to lambaste men alone. Women have a hand in this self destructive exploitation. In this I think there is no us and them, there is only we. We respond, so we get more of what worked. It isn't an easy basket to unravel.
There are many parts of this particular problem. One part of the solution is to give women equal pay for equal work. Then easy money (and late night "project" meetings at whoever's hotel room) will be less appealing.
MaVolta wrote:@Epster - You're right, sex sells, and it has for a long time. These days, it takes a much more in-your-face approach. It's not just in the advertising, it's everywhere. Objectification of women is prevalent in a lot of music. On tv shows, do you see how the younger, shapelier women are dressed, sometimes barely?
We (our generation) may have paid less attention to it having grown up with the sexual revolution of the 60's. It existed, albeit more subtly, in our parents day and before. It's grown more freely with each passing decade as to what society will find 'acceptable' that it should be no surprise that there are no limits as to what is found acceptable in today's culture.
@MaVolta Word! It really does seem to be everywhere.
One reason I'll post a live version or the lyric version of a song on the Rock N Roll forum rather than the official video has to do with exploitation fatigue.
One thing I've noticed about movies and TV is that the man will be fully clothed, but the woman will be in a thong. Interesting sex they must have. Another thing I notice is the best dressed versus worst dressed lists generally reward the skimpy outfits and chastises the more modest ones. What are we thinking?
BTW, the AARP website story (linked to above) mentions that a few years ago a car ran into the female Muffler Man that's depicted, and that part of the repairs included a skirt that she wears in winter. Incremental movement in the right direction, that. (The skirt, not that apparently a car had to smash her legs to make the point).
Epster wrote:
Centristsin2010 wrote:I agree. In fact I agree so much I felt it worthy to illustrate your point. As you know, many, especially us with the xy chromosome's, remain in denial. Shucks, just two years ago folks were posting that there is no racism in the US.....thus the desire to breakthrough to those lacking in the gene pool and post video's of racist behavior.
@Centristsin2010 Hearing that! DH, who is treated to my observations pritnear daily (poor guy, he's really a saint to be able to live with me) still scoffs at my allegations of systemic misogyny.
@Epster For convenience, I'm combing a few of your points here of which I disagree, with all due respect, and for what it's worth, I think is quite high.
First of all, good for DH! Must be one helllava guy.....he's got his hands full.
Secondly, I agree there is systematic misogyny, just as there is is systematic racism as well. We can thank white males for THAT!!!
White males have been fighting against much of any change for decades.....
I DO think the exploitation goes both ways. Women have been exploiting men as well. Are the women in the video exploiting men for easy money? **bleep** straight! Have woman exploited men by dressing in a provocative way to get jobs (sometimes), free drinks in a bar (often), and to turn heads? Sure!!! It's easy to blame men, as we both have, but we also need to recognize it does indeed go both ways.
I also disagree my comment about trumps choice for labor secretary was partisan. I was pointing out that things are indeed changing and cost one executive the job of a lifetime....had nothing to do with partisan politics.
IMO, this forum is much better with both you and A.P. posting here.
alferdpacker wrote:@alferdpacker This is not a partisan issue; this is the Politics and SOCIETY forum, afterall. Not everything that is posted here is about red and blue. Sexist ads have existed throughout our national history. No one, no party, no consumer is guiltless as long as we respond to ads that use the posterior of young women to sell whatever. That ad above: wasn't it broadcast during the previous administration
Everything is inextricably interconnected and cannot be validly and accurately considered apart from the rest of society and politics...
@alferdpacker Everything, perhaps, save your comment to the subject of this thread.
