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Your post is slightly untruthful. Trump is not trying to send refugees to sanctuary cities - he is attempting to send illegal aliens into sanctuary cities! You want them, you got them!


I think you may be mistaken. If an alien shows up at the border, has a hearing, and is released with an ankle monitor, that person is not here illegally.  If they have been adjudicated to be here illegally (not just on Trump's whim), they should not be released to the interior but deported.  Are you saying that Trump is so stupid he is releasing aliens with deportation orders into the interior?  


Most don't qualify for asylum based on persecution but they do want to work for $15/hour instead of $5 per day! That doesn't qualify them for asylum. Since our (current) laws do not allow them to be returned to their country of origin (crazy??), I think Trump is correct in bringing them where they are most appreciated!


What law says we cannot send undocumented immigrants back to country of origin?


My understanding (could be wrong?) is that if a Central American shows up at the Mexican border seeking asylum, they can't be bussed back to their country of origin. Let's assume you are right and I'm wrong. Why doesn't Trump have a ton of buses headed back to Guatemala or wherever and solve many problems this way if the person either doesn't qualify for a green card, is MS13, or not eligible for asylum?

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Isn't it interesting that the people who complain the most about sanctuary cities are people who do not live in them, or probably anywhere near one. There is a reason that our local law enforcement chooses to operate this way. If anyone is truly interested in finding the bad guys, let the locals do their jobs. 

 

The mayor of Austin made it clear early on that any of the asylum seekers who wish to come here are more than welcome. There are some shelters and NGOs in the area that are helping with both unaccompanied minors and families trying to relocate and find work.

 

The asylum process is complicated. They first have to pass the initial interview with border agents to see if they have a legitimate request. If they pass, they are allowed to wait for a hearing. If they do not, they are held in detention until deportation orders are arranged. They can be deported to the country of origin. The same is true if the court finds that they do not have a legitimate request.

 

Trump has ordered border agents to deny more on first interview, which means that some are being denied who have legitimate claims, as well as those who do not. This article in NPR explains how it works, and follows the case of a woman who is in fear because she was denied access to the courts and now faces deportation.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630877498/denied-asylum-but-terrified-to-return-home

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The term "Sanctuary City" has been coined by the right. It refers to any city which exercises its right not to cooperate with the Federal government in the enforcement of Federal laws the city deems to be against the interest of its citizens. The Federal governments inability to force cooperation came as a ruling by the SCOTUS concerning the rounding up and returning of escaped slaves in "free" states.  Much as Trump and friends would like you to believe these are some kind of rogue municipal governments, they simply refuse to participate in the incompetence ruled by the Trump administration. 

 

 

The plan — which Trump tweeted Friday is under “strong consideration” — would have the Department of Homeland Security moving migrants from detention centers to cities scattered across the country in vans, buses and airplanes. It would require a massive investment in transportation infrastructure, something that Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials told the White House would be “an unnecessary operational burden.”

It also would mean placing those detainees in cities that limit their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement, meaning it could be very difficult to arrest them again.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/trumps-plan-to-send-migrant-detainees-to-sanctuary-cities...


Again with the great minds, I just posted a similar response and referenced same article in a related thread.



    

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Your post is slightly untruthful. Trump is not trying to send refugees to sanctuary cities - he is attempting to send illegal aliens into sanctuary cities! You want them, you got them!


I think you may be mistaken. If an alien shows up at the border, has a hearing, and is released with an ankle monitor, that person is not here illegally.  If they have been adjudicated to be here illegally (not just on Trump's whim), they should not be released to the interior but deported.  Are you saying that Trump is so stupid he is releasing aliens with deportation orders into the interior?  


Most don't qualify for asylum based on persecution but they do want to work for $15/hour instead of $5 per day! That doesn't qualify them for asylum. Since our (current) laws do not allow them to be returned to their country of origin (crazy??), I think Trump is correct in bringing them where they are most appreciated!


What law says we cannot send undocumented immigrants back to country of origin?

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Right now, I don't believe dt's hot air would make it though legal challenges.  To date, federal courts have ruled his policy moves were illegal 65 times.

 

However, last week in his visit to Calexico he told border patrol agents to break the law.  Just tell any judge, "Sorry, we don't have room".  The agent's leaders told them, you have to follow the law, doing what the president asks would be taking on a personal liability.

 

Legal or not, I would not put it past dt to enforce his will, using his fake National Emergency, in getting illegals removed to sanctuary cities and further enforcing his will on local municipalities to accommodate them or begin arresting the arrivals, caring for them in their own detention facilities.  I know that seems extreme but dt is extreme and also mad.  I don't see how the current chaos will find any good outcome.

 

 

 


Hasn't yet...........won't in the future. 


Here's the Thing

 

Immigrants Once Processed and Released into the USA to await their turn B4 a Immigration Judge - have No Limitations on their Travel............they can go anywhere they want - so Yeah this is a Giant Waste of Tax Payers Money...............Most Immigrants have a planned destination within the USA - a Relative - A Friend - A Promise of a Job - Regrardless of where Trump ships them - they are going to make every effort to reach their destination and there is No Law Stopping Them

 

Trump thinks Immigrants are all Dumb Incompetent Useless Individuals - Truth be Told - Neither Trump or a Single Member of his Family could Navigate themselves on their own with No Little Money Food or Shelter from Honduras - Guatemela - Costa Rica or Even Central or Southern Mexico into the USA

 

These Immigrants have all traveled thousands of Miles mostly on Foot - Trump thinks putting them in a Sanctuary City where they have access to Food Shelter A Job & Information as Well as Mass Transit........that somehow this is going to be a Inconvieniece to the Immigrants or the Host Cities 

 

These Cities are Sanctuary Cities Voluntarily because they are familiar with Immigrants and have a need for them as much a need as the Immigrants have for the Cities

 

Trump is the Dope

 

 

 


O.K. - you etal got your insults of the President in but have ignored the basic issue - where should they go? I'd say where they are legal, their home countries, but, other than that - where??


There isnt a single Immigrant who sets foot on American soil at a Legal Port of Entry who is a Illegal Immigrant

 

They will go the same place my great grandfather went & probably yours - wherever they want - this is still America regardless of the Autocracy that's crept into Washington or the presence of US Military breaking US Laws & conducting Domestic Policing at our Southern Border

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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Your post is slightly untruthful. Trump is not trying to send refugees to sanctuary cities - he is attempting to send illegal aliens into sanctuary cities! You want them, you got them!


I think you may be mistaken. If an alien shows up at the border, has a hearing, and is released with an ankle monitor, that person is not here illegally.  If they have been adjudicated to be here illegally (not just on Trump's whim), they should not be released to the interior but deported.  Are you saying that Trump is so stupid he is releasing aliens with deportation orders into the interior?  


Most don't qualify for asylum based on persecution but they do want to work for $15/hour instead of $5 per day! That doesn't qualify them for asylum. Since our (current) laws do not allow them to be returned to their country of origin (crazy??), I think Trump is correct in bringing them where they are most appreciated!

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Your post is slightly untruthful. Trump is not trying to send refugees to sanctuary cities - he is attempting to send illegal aliens into sanctuary cities! You want them, you got them!


I think you may be mistaken. If an alien shows up at the border, has a hearing, and is released with an ankle monitor, that person is not here illegally.  If they have been adjudicated to be here illegally (not just on Trump's whim), they should not be released to the interior but deported.  Are you saying that Trump is so stupid he is releasing aliens with deportation orders into the interior?  

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Since Democrats are advocates for open borders, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, free college for illegals, voting for illegal aliens, against any new border walls, and the voting age of all at 16, Trump is correct in saying that we should transport all those illegal aliens to those sanctuary cities where they're most wanted and loved.  Why would you want them in some place where they are hated?

 

The poster says it will be costly to transport yet the transportation costs will be trivial compared to the chaos caused by these illegals. Enjoy your new friends.


And the fake news just keeps on coming.  No Democrat has ever advocated for any of the things you mentioned. Zero, none. The refugees are not causing chaos. They are showing up at the border and applying for asylum as they have been doing for decades.  Trump just cannot keep anyone on staff who can manage the situation. We had more refugees showing up in 2000 and dealt with that. Trump can't deal with this......the difference? Trump is running the show. 

 

Other than being childish, a known Trump trait, why would he send refugees to cities who refuse to help his insane policies (the definition of a Sanctuary City), when most have relatives in America who will help them settle?  


Your post is slightly untruthful. Trump is not trying to send refugees to sanctuary cities - he is attempting to send illegal aliens into sanctuary cities! You want them, you got them!

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Since Democrats are advocates for open borders, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, free college for illegals, voting for illegal aliens, against any new border walls, and the voting age of all at 16, Trump is correct in saying that we should transport all those illegal aliens to those sanctuary cities where they're most wanted and loved.  Why would you want them in some place where they are hated?

 

The poster says it will be costly to transport yet the transportation costs will be trivial compared to the chaos caused by these illegals. Enjoy your new friends.


And the fake news just keeps on coming.  No Democrat has ever advocated for any of the things you mentioned. Zero, none. The refugees are not causing chaos. They are showing up at the border and applying for asylum as they have been doing for decades.  Trump just cannot keep anyone on staff who can manage the situation. We had more refugees showing up in 2000 and dealt with that. Trump can't deal with this......the difference? Trump is running the show. 

 

Other than being childish, a known Trump trait, why would he send refugees to cities who refuse to help his insane policies (the definition of a Sanctuary City), when most have relatives in America who will help them settle?  

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Since Democrats are advocates for open borders, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, free college for illegals, voting for illegal aliens, against any new border walls, and the voting age of all at 16, Trump is correct in saying that we should transport all those illegal aliens to those sanctuary cities where they're most wanted and loved.  Why would you want them in some place where they are hated?

 

The poster says it will be costly to transport yet the transportation costs will be trivial compared to the chaos caused by these illegals. Enjoy your new friends.

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