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I am not a betting person. However, I am willing to wager the same bet as in the movie Trading Please, of a $1.00. Our President, was involved. 


And I'd have to say that I honestly do not know. But with all the rants and raves here stating it with absolute certainty, I am still looking for something other than blind hatred to support that claim.

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To put things into perspective and focus discussions like this can we state that we all agree that the Russians did (and continue to), in fact, attempt to weaken us through division and part of that was interfering in our elections?

 

And can we further agree that President Trump was not involved in any way? 


Why would we agree to ignore all the evidence to the contrary?


Except for your "Golden Showers" obsession - what evidence?

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rk9152,

I am not a betting person. However, I am willing to wager the same bet as in the movie Trading Please, of a $1.00. Our President, was involved. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

To put things into perspective and focus discussions like this can we state that we all agree that the Russians did (and continue to), in fact, attempt to weaken us through division and part of that was interfering in our elections?

 

And can we further agree that President Trump was not involved in any way? 


Why would we agree to ignore all the evidence to the contrary?

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To put things into perspective and focus discussions like this can we state that we all agree that the Russians did (and continue to), in fact, attempt to weaken us through division and part of that was interfering in our elections?

 

And can we further agree that President Trump was not involved in any way? 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

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@mandm84 wrote:

The Republican's are known as the Law & Order Party , but are a bit hypocritical of late and wilfully blind !!

Trump vs. FBI , Trump vs. Republican Prosecutor Mueller , Trump vs. Justice Dept., Trump vs. Top17 Intelligence Agencies , etc , etc , etc.........

When does reality set in ?


Alternate view - Trump vs certain corrupt elements in the Obama DoJ (and intel). Again "elements" not "Agencies".

 

There is the reality you requested. Glad I could help.


Name the corrupt elements that are SOOO powerful they survived 8 years of jrbush and 2 years of the toadPOTUS. The Russians began this Troll-scroll and all the lemminglike GOPers grabbed it and are still running. 

 

It explains to incurious minds how it was possible for the FBI to investigate Hillary for 5 YEARS and come up with NOTHING! not a single indictable offense and then in just 22 months manage to send 5 of Der Trumpers top officials to JAIL and name HIM as an un-indicted co-conspirator in a dozen FELONY CRIMES!, also shut down Trump University and Trump Foundation for MASSIVE CONSUMER FRAUD AND TAX EVASION. The Troll also comforts GOPers by giving them a slender thread to cling to explaining(sic) why the best Intelligence system in the WORLD, that of the United States of America,  always contradicts what their toadPOTUS says is true.

 

The only thing this GOPerTroll about some all-powerful "Dark State"  lacks is a scintilla of evidence in its favor, but the blind hate of Republicans has always overcome Truth inside the Republibubble.


As to corrupted elements I'll offer Comey, Strzok, Brennan for openers. As to the rest of your post - what are you talking aobut??

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mandm84 wrote:

The Republican's are known as the Law & Order Party , but are a bit hypocritical of late and wilfully blind !!

Trump vs. FBI , Trump vs. Republican Prosecutor Mueller , Trump vs. Justice Dept., Trump vs. Top17 Intelligence Agencies , etc , etc , etc.........

When does reality set in ?


Alternate view - Trump vs certain corrupt elements in the Obama DoJ (and intel). Again "elements" not "Agencies".

 

There is the reality you requested. Glad I could help.


Name the corrupt elements that are SOOO powerful they survived 8 years of jrbush and 2 years of the toadPOTUS. The Russians began this Troll-scroll and all the lemminglike GOPers grabbed it and are still running. 

 

It explains to incurious minds how it was possible for the FBI to investigate Hillary for 5 YEARS and come up with NOTHING! not a single indictable offense and then in just 22 months manage to send 5 of Der Trumpers top officials to JAIL and name HIM as an un-indicted co-conspirator in a dozen FELONY CRIMES!, also shut down Trump University and Trump Foundation for MASSIVE CONSUMER FRAUD AND TAX EVASION. The Troll also comforts GOPers by giving them a slender thread to cling to explaining(sic) why the best Intelligence system in the WORLD, that of the United States of America,  always contradicts what their toadPOTUS says is true.

 

The only thing this GOPerTroll about some all-powerful "Dark State"  lacks is a scintilla of evidence in its favor, but the blind hate of Republicans has always overcome Truth inside the Republibubble.

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Just to review - facebook's "business model" was to offer a "free" platform where people could share conversations and photos and Zukerberg would make money by letting people pay to "data mine" his platform.

 

The people would pay for those "mining rights" BECAUSE they knew with the right information about the facebook customers they could craft advertising specifically for target groups and maximize the effect of the ads because they would be saying things that the target group agreed with and believed in.

 

The Russians (aka KGB) also knew how to "hand-craft" ads - they used them to control public opinion inside Russia and to manipulate foreign populations into a more favorable view of Russia. In fact, it is likely the PsyOps Warriors of the KGB/FSB were much better at this than the American advertizing companies.

 

The Russians hacked a number of State voter registration data bases, but nobody seems concerned because they didn't change anything. But what they got was voting preferences for tens of millions of Americans - we may never know how many.

 

Then they took the psychological profiles they developed by examining the Facebook, Twitter and Youtube to develop a panoply of anti-Hillary ads directed primarily at Blacks to keep them from voting and Republicans who had not voted in several years to drive them to the polls to vote a straight Republican ticket.

 

Seems just about everything Mueller has uncovered ties back to a connection with Russia and Russians.  Popadopolus, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Pinedo, van der Zwaan, Kilimnik, Cohen, 13 Russians, 12 GRU Officers and 5 Russian Companaies ALL connected in conspiring WITH RUSSIA against the United States.

 

What he HASN'T revealed in detail is the connection all those people had with Trump and his organization, BUT Trump has been named as an unindicted co-conspiriter in serveral of the cases already. In the cases already linked firmly to Trump, the evidence is overwhelming, and it's reasonable to conclude Mueller is just waiting until the connections between Trump and the other conspirators is rock solid before revealing it to the public.

 

If Der Trumper hasn't resigned by 3 Jan 2019, the House will be assisting in hammering together those Trump-Russia connections that have not already been locked in, along with aiding States to bring charges against Trump and his family that he CANNOT pardon.


Facebook - there is no such a thing as "something for nothing". 

 

Russia - yes businessman Trump and his associates did business with Russia. Yes, members of the Administration have discussed with and done business with their Russian (and other) counterparts.

 

And then we have the blind hatred.

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Just to review - facebook's "business model" was to offer a "free" platform where people could share conversations and photos and Zukerberg would make money by letting people pay to "data mine" his platform.

 

The people would pay for those "mining rights" BECAUSE they knew with the right information about the facebook customers they could craft advertising specifically for target groups and maximize the effect of the ads because they would be saying things that the target group agreed with and believed in.

 

The Russians (aka KGB) also knew how to "hand-craft" ads - they used them to control public opinion inside Russia and to manipulate foreign populations into a more favorable view of Russia. In fact, it is likely the PsyOps Warriors of the KGB/FSB were much better at this than the American advertizing companies.

 

The Russians hacked a number of State voter registration data bases, but nobody seems concerned because they didn't change anything. But what they got was voting preferences for tens of millions of Americans - we may never know how many.

 

Then they took the psychological profiles they developed by examining the Facebook, Twitter and Youtube to develop a panoply of anti-Hillary ads directed primarily at Blacks to keep them from voting and Republicans who had not voted in several years to drive them to the polls to vote a straight Republican ticket.

 

Seems just about everything Mueller has uncovered ties back to a connection with Russia and Russians.  Popadopolus, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Pinedo, van der Zwaan, Kilimnik, Cohen, 13 Russians, 12 GRU Officers and 5 Russian Companaies ALL connected in conspiring WITH RUSSIA against the United States.

 

What he HASN'T revealed in detail is the connection all those people had with Trump and his organization, BUT Trump has been named as an unindicted co-conspiriter in serveral of the cases already. In the cases already linked firmly to Trump, the evidence is overwhelming, and it's reasonable to conclude Mueller is just waiting until the connections between Trump and the other conspirators is rock solid before revealing it to the public.

 

If Der Trumper hasn't resigned by 3 Jan 2019, the House will be assisting in hammering together those Trump-Russia connections that have not already been locked in, along with aiding States to bring charges against Trump and his family that he CANNOT pardon.

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   Hilarious, the RW has devised their own set of false narratives and then is shocked when they are caslled out for their faux choices -   only in winger world would people be gullible enough to buy that cowpie.   

     Meanwhile the Select Senate committee commissioned 2 analysis.    They are both linked via this article....https://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-flynn-trump-ally-turned-key-mueller-witness/story?id=59873492

 

     Perhaps someday the RW will discuss the information instead of false narratives and false choices.   


What specific cowpie are you referring to? I believe that Russian interference and bots (even here) has been accepted.

 

The disagreement is the so called "collusion" involving President Trump. Is that the "cowpie you're giggling about?

 

As to Flynn - contracting with the Turkish government is hardly selling his country out. So, just what is it that has you all a-giggle?

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