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There are many flaws in the heavily biased FAIR study, but here are some of them.

 

FAIR included in their cost estimates the nearly 4.2 million U.S. citizens who are the children of undocumented immigrants. By adding the citizen children to their undocumented population estimate of 12.5 million, FAIR looked at the total cost of roughly 16.7 million people

 

"They blame all the costs on the children, but ignore the taxes they will pay."

 

The FAIR study estimated an annual cost of $8,075 per person, so not including those citizens would reduce the estimate by more than $43.6 billion

 

Deconstructing the organization's math gets somewhat complicated beyond that figure, because the per-person rate includes $13.1 billion in spending on programs available only to citizens. The result of that is an inflation of the per-person rate overall.

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Here's a perfect example of right wing propaganda that Trump Cult members soak up because it fits into their narrative of the world.

 

"Illegal Immigration Costs the U.S. $116 billion each year."

 

For those who understand research and the scientific method, the above is hogwash. I've already illustrated the serious flaws in their research.

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

The undocumented immigrants now living in the USA cost us NOTHING and provide a net positive effect on our economy.

 

On average, they earn $18,600p.a. ($10.25/hrx34hr/wkx52wk/yr) and 75% of them pay FICA ($18.3 Billion) and Medicare ($3.8Billion) for "benefits" they will NEVER receive.

 

They also paid $10.6Billion in taxes in 2017.

 

Since they are willing to work for much less than the "going rate" for whatever job they hold, they keep prices down for all of us.

 

They CANNOT receive the vast majority of welfare because they don't have valid SSNs.

 

Their kids may attend school, but there is NO evidence their presence increases the cost (what the government spends) for that schooling.

 

They are much LESS likely to commit crimes than the average citizen. Here's a thought for the law-n'-order GOPers: MS13 gang members almost all wear identifying tattoos. Why aren't you demanding this be used to ID gang members and either prosecute them as members of a Criminal Enterprise (if they're citizens) or deport them (if they're not)?  Seems the most likely answer to this would be that MS13, like the Nazis and KKK, vote Republican.

 

So, like every wave of immigrants that went before, the current crop, including those WithOutPapers, is a net POSITIVE for our Nation. They spend everything they earn, so they contribute nearly $198Billion in demand that helps drive our consumption based economy higher.

 

Only the hate-driven lies from the Republican Party can concoct the notion that somehow we are not made better by the presence of these latest immigrants.

 

 


Illegal Immigration Costs the U.S. $116 billion each year.

 

http://www.irli.org/single-post/2017/09/27/New-FAIR-Study-Illegal-Immigration-Costs-116-billion-Annu...

 

 

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The undocumented immigrants now living in the USA cost us NOTHING and provide a net positive effect on our economy.

 

On average, they earn $18,600p.a. ($10.25/hrx34hr/wkx52wk/yr) and 75% of them pay FICA ($18.3 Billion) and Medicare ($3.8Billion) for "benefits" they will NEVER receive.

 

They also paid $10.6Billion in taxes in 2017.

 

Since they are willing to work for much less than the "going rate" for whatever job they hold, they keep prices down for all of us.

 

They CANNOT receive the vast majority of welfare because they don't have valid SSNs.

 

Their kids may attend school, but there is NO evidence their presence increases the cost (what the government spends) for that schooling.

 

They are much LESS likely to commit crimes than the average citizen. Here's a thought for the law-n'-order GOPers: MS13 gang members almost all wear identifying tattoos. Why aren't you demanding this be used to ID gang members and either prosecute them as members of a Criminal Enterprise (if they're citizens) or deport them (if they're not)?  Seems the most likely answer to this would be that MS13, like the Nazis and KKK, vote Republican.

 

So, like every wave of immigrants that went before, the current crop, including those WithOutPapers, is a net POSITIVE for our Nation. They spend everything they earn, so they contribute nearly $198Billion in demand that helps drive our consumption based economy higher.

 

Only the hate-driven lies from the Republican Party can concoct the notion that somehow we are not made better by the presence of these latest immigrants.

 

 

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@mickstuder wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

You might want to visit the EDIT button and change the name of this thread...  $5.7B for the border security project...

 

You guys are just TOO FUNNY!!

 

 


And we should all accept your Premise because............................................????

 

Words Matter - Senate - House - Etc

 

FACTS

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate on Wednesday passed legislation to fund several federal agencies through Feb. 8 and avert a partial government shutdown, but without including $5 billion for a U.S.-Mexico border wall that President Donald Trump demanded.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-budget/congress-to-push-stop-gap-funding-bill-with-n...

 

 

 


Facts: Trump will veto without funding for the wall!

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@jimc91 wrote:

You might want to visit the EDIT button and change the name of this thread...  $5.7B for the border security project...

 

You guys are just TOO FUNNY!!

 

 


And we should all accept your Premise because............................................????

 

Words Matter - Senate - House - Etc

 

FACTS

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate on Wednesday passed legislation to fund several federal agencies through Feb. 8 and avert a partial government shutdown, but without including $5 billion for a U.S.-Mexico border wall that President Donald Trump demanded.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-budget/congress-to-push-stop-gap-funding-bill-with-n...

 

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@jimc91 wrote:

You might want to visit the EDIT button and change the name of this thread...  $5.7B for the border security project...

 

You guys are just TOO FUNNY!!

 

 


Your attempt to include a wall as an element of border security is not funny ha-ha, it's funny demented. Have the Trumpettes realized the "Mexico will pay for it" bit was an absurd lie from the getgo, so now you want us to pay for it?

 

Now Der Trumper is fixin' to close down part of the Government, INCLUDING Home Land Security to satisfy the lunitic fringe that still supports him. Let's see how that works out.

 

The seven appropriations that will run out of money 21 Dec are:Agriculture; Commerce, Justice, Science; Financial Services & General Government; Homeland Security; Interior, Environment; State, Foreign Operations; and Transportation, HUD.

Please note the Orange Toad is cutting off the money he said he'd give farmers because his moronic Trade War is bankrupting them. Also DOJ, which would theoretically shut down Mueller.


Us paying for it is a lot cheaper than the cost of the illegal aliens that come here considering crime committed, welfare costs, medical costs, education costs, and it insures a more likely vision of controlled immigration (which the left hates).

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Is it possible Republicans in the Senate will use the "Nuclear Option" requiring a simple majority?

I think that's a strong possiblity. I can't wait to see this vote.

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@Olderscout66 - The shutdown will not affect the Mueller investigation, it's covered in another provisions. 

 

Vox reported yesterday - 

Three-fourths of the government has already been funded through other bills. This article shows what is funded and what is not.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/20/18136667/partial-government-shutdown-post-office-...

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