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And Nancy and Chuck are having a Hissy Fit over spending 5 Billion to protect our country...it shows they do not care about keeping country
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This is where you all on the right keep getting it wrong. Nancy, Chuck, and the D's are not opposed to border security. The D's are opposed to Trump's freakin' wall. Most of you don't live anywhere near the southern border, yet you keep harping on the stupid wall. What they need are tons of new equipment and additional border agents, i.e. border security

 

 

 

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

NH and I can back and forth on this again and again, but here's the bottom line which everyone should understand. There's almost universal agreement in the world of economics that if we could magically remove the 12 million or so illegal immigrants from America (sending them back to their original country), we would have a RECESSION.

 

That's how important illegal immigrants are to our economy. Nobody's claiming they don't increase costs to the taxpayer, but we have to weigh the numerous benefits against those costs.

 

Finally, the children of illegal immigrants are often the most successful children in our country. So in addition to helping our economy now, they are creating a positive future for America.


So, you are admitting you were wrong again and they did consider state , local taxes, and SS.  Legal immigration we should all be encouraging but illegal aliens are a detriment to our country both economically, culturally, and safety. That's what we can agree on.  They are a big drain on our country and we all should do everything in our power to curtail this illegal activity.


The only Quantifiable Drain on our Country - is the Absolute Dilution of America's White Supremacy

 

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If you were a Honest Person - you would admit that is really what this Uproar from Trump - The Trump Cult & you is all about at least on this issue! 

 


Legal immigration I'm all for while illegal aliens, not so much. Just like locks provide a deterrent to illegally enter your house, a wall is a deterrent to illegal immigration.  The left is totally wrong on this issue as you are.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@CriticalThinking wrote:

NH and I can back and forth on this again and again, but here's the bottom line which everyone should understand. There's almost universal agreement in the world of economics that if we could magically remove the 12 million or so illegal immigrants from America (sending them back to their original country), we would have a RECESSION.

 

That's how important illegal immigrants are to our economy. Nobody's claiming they don't increase costs to the taxpayer, but we have to weigh the numerous benefits against those costs.

 

Finally, the children of illegal immigrants are often the most successful children in our country. So in addition to helping our economy now, they are creating a positive future for America.


So, you are admitting you were wrong again and they did consider state , local taxes, and SS.  Legal immigration we should all be encouraging but illegal aliens are a detriment to our country both economically, culturally, and safety. That's what we can agree on.  They are a big drain on our country and we all should do everything in our power to curtail this illegal activity.


The only Quantifiable Drain on our Country - is the Absolute Dilution of America's White Supremacy

 

AND

 

If you were a Honest Person - you would admit that is really what this Uproar from Trump - The Trump Cult & you is all about at least on this issue!

 

 

 

 

 

 

( " China if You're Listening - Get Trumps Tax Returns " )

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" - Anonymous

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Not posted..

You are wrong again (as usual). The Fair Study did include all taxes paid in (state & local), did include SS payments and all the things you said weren't included. Take a look AGAIN and see that your post is totally inaccurate!



https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxp...

I have found that trying to get posters like CT to understand is like talking to my cat..my cat is deaf.

Total Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration 116 Billion! And Nancy and Chuck are having a Hissy Fit over spending 5 Billion to protect our country...it shows they do not care about keeping country
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Yes I was wrong, but FAIR underestimated those tax numbers. If NH wants to see the numerous flaws in the FAIR Study, he should check out this article from the CATO Institute.

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed

 

NH keeps ignoring the bottom line and that is, illegal immigrants make tremendous contributions to our economy. Therefore, we have to weigh the additional costs against the immense benefits.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

NH and I can back and forth on this again and again, but here's the bottom line which everyone should understand. There's almost universal agreement in the world of economics that if we could magically remove the 12 million or so illegal immigrants from America (sending them back to their original country), we would have a RECESSION.

 

That's how important illegal immigrants are to our economy. Nobody's claiming they don't increase costs to the taxpayer, but we have to weigh the numerous benefits against those costs.

 

Finally, the children of illegal immigrants are often the most successful children in our country. So in addition to helping our economy now, they are creating a positive future for America.


So, you are admitting you were wrong again and they did consider state , local taxes, and SS.  Legal immigration we should all be encouraging but illegal aliens are a detriment to our country both economically, culturally, and safety. That's what we can agree on.  They are a big drain on our country and we all should do everything in our power to curtail this illegal activity.

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NH and I can back and forth on this again and again, but here's the bottom line which everyone should understand. There's almost universal agreement in the world of economics that if we could magically remove the 12 million or so illegal immigrants from America (sending them back to their original country), we would have a RECESSION.

 

That's how important illegal immigrants are to our economy. Nobody's claiming they don't increase costs to the taxpayer, but we have to weigh the numerous benefits against those costs.

 

Finally, the children of illegal immigrants are often the most successful children in our country. So in addition to helping our economy now, they are creating a positive future for America.

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Not Happening is so biased on this issue that he's not thinking clearly. For those who deal with facts, the FAIR study did not calculate any of the following in their study of Illegal immigrants who:

  • Pay Sales Taxes
  • Pay Property Taxes
  • Are often the heart and soul of many businesses which hire them
  • Pay Social Security Taxes but usually don't receive any benefits
  • It's estimated they paid hundreds of billions into the Social Security Trust Fund

Fair counted millions of extra people which made their final numbers completely inaccurate.If I had millions of people and then multiple that bogus number numerous times, I can also make the figures for illegal immigrants look horrible.


You are wrong again (as usual).  The Fair Study did include all taxes paid in (state & local), did include SS payments and all the things you said weren't included.  Take a look AGAIN and see that your post is totally inaccurate!

 

https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxp...

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Not Happening is so biased on this issue that he's not thinking clearly. For those who deal with facts, the FAIR study did not calculate any of the following in their study of Illegal immigrants who:

  • Pay Sales Taxes
  • Pay Property Taxes
  • Are often the heart and soul of many businesses which hire them
  • Pay Social Security Taxes but usually don't receive any benefits
  • It's estimated they paid hundreds of billions into the Social Security Trust Fund

Fair counted millions of extra people (4.2 million) which made their final numbers completely inaccurate.If I had millions of people and then multiple that bogus number numerous times, I can also make the figures for illegal immigrants look horrible.

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@CriticalThinking wrote:

 

There are many flaws in the heavily biased FAIR study, but here are some of them.

 

FAIR included in their cost estimates the nearly 4.2 million U.S. citizens who are the children of undocumented immigrants. By adding the citizen children to their undocumented population estimate of 12.5 million, FAIR looked at the total cost of roughly 16.7 million people

 

"They blame all the costs on the children, but ignore the taxes they will pay."

 

The FAIR study estimated an annual cost of $8,075 per person, so not including those citizens would reduce the estimate by more than $43.6 billion

 

Deconstructing the organization's math gets somewhat complicated beyond that figure, because the per-person rate includes $13.1 billion in spending on programs available only to citizens. The result of that is an inflation of the per-person rate overall.


So using your assumption (legal children), the cost would be reduced to a COST of ONLY $73 billion per year for illegal aliens excluding their legal children (a big burden for illegal aliens)!

 

BUILD THE WALL and use the money for legal immigrants and U.S. citizens!

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