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Please note that just being wordy because of what fox news says does not turn cow patties into truth. 

Just because hannity is pulling crappola out of thin air, does not justify investigating the same things over and over. 

Maybe bring back the investigations into the assasinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK. At least there would be an air of credibility!

 

What me worry!

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions is entertaining the idea of appointing a second special counsel to investigate a host of Republican concerns...

 

Thanks for clarifying the "Fake News" headline Jim.


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Attorney General Jeff Sessions is entertaining the idea of appointing a second special counsel to investigate a host of Republican concerns — including alleged wrongdoing by the Clinton Foundation and the controversial sale of a uranium company to Russia — and has directed senior federal prosecutors to explore at least some of the matters and report back to him and his top deputy, according to a letter obtained by The Washington Post.

 

The revelation came in a response by the Justice Department to an inquiry from House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), who in July and again in September called for Sessions to appoint a second special counsel to investigate concerns he had related to the 2016 election and its aftermath.

The list of matters he wanted probed was wide ranging but included the FBI’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, various dealings of the Clinton Foundation and several matters connected to the purchase of the Canadian mining company Uranium One by Russia’s nuclear energy agency. Goodlatte took particular aim at former FBI director James B. Comey, asking for the second special counsel to evaluate the leaks he directed about his conversations with President Trump, among other things.

 

In response, Assistant Attorney General Stephen E. Boyd wrote that Sessions had “directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues raised in your letters,” and that those prosecutors would “report directly to the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, as appropriate, and will make recommendations as to whether any matters not currently under investigation should be opened, whether any matters currently under investigation require further resources, or whether any matters merit the appointment of a Special Counsel.”

 

Trump has repeatedly criticized his Justice Department for not aggressively probing a variety of conservative concerns. He said recently that officials there “should be looking at the Democrats” and that it was “very discouraging” they were not “going after Hillary Clinton.” On the campaign trail, Trump’s supporters frequently chanted “Lock her up!” at the mention of Clinton’s name.

“Hopefully they are doing something, and at some point, maybe we are going to all have it out,” Trump said recently.

 

Sessions’s relationship with the president has been significantly strained since he recused himself from the investigation into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin to influence the 2016 election. The president has publicly lambasted his attorney general and noted that had he known in advance of Sessions’s recusal, he would not have appointed him to the post. It was after Sessions’s recusal that Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein appointed Robert S. Mueller III to lead the investigation into the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.

 

While the Justice Department is part of the executive branch — and the attorney general is appointed by and answers to the president — the White House generally provides input on broad policy goals and does not weigh in on criminal probes.

 

In that context, the letter is likely to be seen by some, especially on the left, as Sessions inappropriately bending to political pressure, perhaps to save his job. The possible reigniting of a probe of Clinton is likely to draw especially fierce criticism, even as it is welcomed by Trump’s supporters.

 

When Trump said during the campaign that he would “instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor” to look into Clinton, former attorney general Michael Mukasey — a Trump supporter and vocal Clinton critic — said Trump having her investigated and jailed “would be like a banana republic.”

 

“Putting political opponents in jail for offenses committed in a political setting, even if they are criminal offenses — and they very well may be — is something that we don’t do here,” he said.

Trump would later back down from his threats, before breathing life into them again with his more recent comments.

 

Sessions, who was a Republican senator from Alabama before being appointed attorney general, is set to testify before Goodlatte’s committee Tuesday and is likely to face questions on the topics raised in the letter.

 

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment for this article, as did a lawyer for Comey.

Brian Fallon, who served as the press secretary for the Clinton campaign, noted that the Justice Department letter became public not long after revelations that Donald Trump Jr. had communicated with WikiLeaksduring the 2016 campaign.

 

“Like clockwork, just as we learn of damning details of Donald Trump Jr.’s contacts with WikiLeaks, the Trump administration is firing up the fog machine to distract from the Mueller probe,” Fallon said.

 

In asking for a second special counsel in July, Goodlatte wrote that he wanted to “request assistance in restoring public confidence in our nation’s justice system and its investigators.” His letter, signed by 19 other Republicans, said Judiciary Committee members were concerned that Mueller might not have a broad enough mandate to investigate other election-related matters, which he said included actions taken by Comey, Clinton and then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch.

 

Many of the items Goodlatte wanted investigated had long been conservative talking points, some having to do with matters many considered resolved: various decisions made in the Clinton email case, the Uranium One purchase, the “unmasking” of people by the intelligence community and allegations by Trump that he was wiretapped by his predecessors. Unmasking is a routine part of intelligence officials’ jobs; officials have said there is no evidence to support Trump’s claims that he was wiretapped; and while conservatives have sought to cast the Uranium One deal as an example of Clinton taking Russian money to influence U.S. policy, there is no evidence that Clinton participated in any discussions regarding the sale, which was approved during the Obama administration while she was secretary of state.

In the Justice Department’s response, Boyd did not indicate whether any of the topics might draw greater interest than others, though he said the review by senior federal prosecutors would “better enable the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General to more effectively evaluate and manage the caseload.” He noted that the Justice Department inspector general already was investigating several aspects of the Clinton email case and said that once that probe was complete, the department would assess “what, if any, additional steps are necessary to address any issues identified by that review.”

 

“We will conduct this evaluation according to the highest standards of justice,” he wrote.

A special counsel can be appointed when the Justice Department or a U.S. attorney’s office has a conflict of interest, when there are other “extraordinary circumstances,” or when it would otherwise be “in the public interest” to do so, according to the federal regulation governing such appointments.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/sessions-considering-second-special-counsel-t...

 

 

 

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White House says Trump's legal team supports a second special counsel to probe FBI, DOJ

  • President Donald Trump's legal team backs the idea of a second special counsel to investigate the FBI and Justice Department, the White House says.
  • Axios reports that Trump's lawyers have approved of a probe into U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies' actions during the 2016 presidential campaign.
  • The White House also says Trump is not considering any moves at the Justice Department right now, appearing to swat away fears that he will fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

Published 4:47 PM ET Mon, 5 Feb 2018

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/05/trumps-legal-team-supports-a-second-special-counsel-to-probe-fbi-doj...

 

 

 


The nonsense flows on as the far right tries to keep people on the silly subjects and away from the real stories of the evening. You know the far right is having a bad night when all the followers are posting as ordered.

Well here is some real news.

It is breaking this evening what happened and how Trump broke his Tariff plan. There was a meeting with Business leaders set for Thursday. There was no agenda for the meeting in fact the WH was not sure who would be there as some invited were having trouble getting security clearance. They held the meeting which was really off the cuff. Trump was still mad from the night before about all the bad press and was looking to start a new fight WH leakers say. He decided on a Trade War. He told no one else in the WH or Govt. what he was going to do. He had the press come into the end of the Business meeting and he announced it. He had heard from FOX News that China was the big  exporter of both metals to the US (I heard that to on FOX Business). The govt. people at the meeting were stunned as they new nothing about this. When Trump was done telling reporters about his plan he closed and reporters started to leave. One reporter shouted to Trump how much will the Tariff's be. Trump shot back 25% Steel, and 10% aluminum. He just pulled the numbers out of the air.

PEOPLE THIS IS THE WHITE HOUSE IN ACTION. THIS IS WHAT ELECTING A PRESIDENT WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS GIVES US. That should be the only subject we talk about. Save this country as time is running out.

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Once again, this thread begins with posts from both Sara Carter and THE DAILY CALLER.

 

Both of these psedo-journalistic resources have been debunked as serious sources for legitimate information.

 

Both sources use distortion and misrepresentation as a mainstay.

 

Neither of these two sources are to be believed...... not one word........ as they are works of fiction.

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Chas - Will it ever end?

jim is apparently not aware the first FISA on Page was issued in 2014 and not in 2016.   The stupidity will only end when people take responsibility to courageously face facts rather than settle for "this should be interesting".  Doesn't take much to keep the lowfo entertained when their focus is so limited.  Maybe an illustration would help to expand that problem.

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Arguments Against a Special Counsel per DOJ:

  • Like a federal prosecutor, a special counsel in the Department of Justice can’t bring a case before a court unless its investigators find evidence of a crime.
  • Special counsel investigators are usually FBI.  If the special counsel agrees that there is a conflict of interest in bringing FBI investigators into the fold it would have to select a different team of investigators to aide in the case.
  • The special counsel could use the Post Master General or the DEA but those investigators would be far behind the DOJ’s Inspector General investigators, who have already been working on the cases.
  • Federal prosecutors, special counsels, and those attorneys working with them do not “conduct” investigations. DOJ officials told me that the process is much like the TV show law and order where law enforcement brings evidence of a crime and then the prosecutor puts together a case to be brought before the court.
  • The DOJ Inspector General is an independent office that investigates possible violations of criminal and civil law by employees of the FBI and its own department.
  • The Inspector General reports to the Attorney General and to Congress.
  • The IG’s Investigations Division Special Agents develop cases for criminal prosecution, civil or administrative action.
  • Inspector General’s office acts similar to the FBI in that it has the authority to investigate wrongdoing and collect evidence.
  • The Inspector General has the power to subpoena and present cases for criminal prosecution to the Attorney General.

Arguments For a Special Counsel, per Congressional Members:

  • An independent arbiter because the FBI and DOJ cannot investigate themselves.
  • Any criminal referral from the Inspector General will go to Attorney General Jeff Sessions for prosecution and he has not made clear the scope of his involvement in the cases.
  •  Republicans and some senior government officials say there is no rational argument for letting current Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who was the former head of the FBI, expand his special counsel investigation. It won’t work because of Mueller, as the former director of the FBI, is conflicted out.
  • Robert Mueller’s investigation crosses into the territory of the unsubstantiated and salacious dossier, he is after all supposed to be investigating alleged collusion between Russia and President Trump. And he’s reportedly using the unverified dossier crafted by former British spy Christopher Steele in his investigation. A dossier, which Steele, told the British courts is not verified.
  • Mueller has close previous working relationships with many of the same players he would be investigating. For example, former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, former FBI Director James Comey, to name two.
  • The American public won’t buy into an investigation by Mueller, the DOJ or FBI.
  • Attorney General Jeff Sessions has never clearly stated where his recusal begins and ends.
  • A second special counsel needs to come from outside Washington D.C. with its own team of impartial, hand selected investigators.

 

Asecond special counsel might investigate any or all of the following: possible criminal violations by senior FBI and DOJ officials in obtaining a warrant to spy on a former Trump campaign volunteer, the bureau’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server to send classified information and whether senior Obama administration officials, including the president, were aware of the use of the unverified dossier to open an investigation into the Trump campaign and possible Russian collusion.

 

“You need an independent arbiter, and the Department of Justice cannot investigate itself”

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC)

 

The investigations could also be conducted by DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who is expected to conclude his much-anticipated report into the FBI’s handling of the Clinton server investigation in the next several weeks and who Attorney General Jeff Sessions has asked to investigate possible FISA warrant abuse against Carter Page, who briefly volunteered for the Trump campaign in 2016.

 

Republicans, however, are not satisfied and are now pushing Sessions, who is recused from the Russia investigation, to appoint a special counsel. DOJ officials are arguing against it, telling this reporter that Horowitz and his team can conduct the unbiased investigation and refer potential people to the DOJ for criminal prosecution.

 

https://saraacarter.com/the-case-for-and-against-a-special-counsel-investigation-of-doj-and-fbi/

 

 

 

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Will it ever end? How many special counsels will it take until trump gets even a semblance of what he wants? Ain't gonna happen. It's like trump and his minions are in a cage and scratching to get out. The cage is the Mueller investigations.  Tic toc closer to trump, tic toc closer to trump, tic toc closer to trump ..................


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Citing ‘Evidence Of Bias,’ Gowdy, Goodlatte Call For Special Counsel To Investigate FISA Abuses

 

South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy and Virginia Rep. Bob Goodlatte are formally calling for the appointment of a special counsel to investigate potential bias and FISA abuses at the Department of Justice.

 

“Matters have arisen — both recently and otherwise — which necessitate the appointment of a Special Counsel,” reads a letter that Gowdy and Goodlatte sent out Tuesday to Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

 

If appointed, the special counsel would operate parallel to Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.

 

The letter marks a significant development, largely because both Gowdy and Goodlatte have so far resisted requests from conservative Republicans for a special counsel to investigate the Justice Department and FBI’s handling of the infamous Steele dossier.

 

Gowdy and Goodlatte, who chair the House Oversight and House Judiciary Committees, respectively, are calling into question the government’s use of the dossier to obtain FISA warrants against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

 

The two Republicans say that a special counsel is needed “to review evidence of bias by any employee or agent of the DOJ, FBI, or other agencies” and to determine whether the government’s use of the FISA process against Page “was lawful and pursuant to all relevant policies and procedures.”

 

“There is evidence of bias, trending toward animus, among those charged with investigating serious cases,” reads the letter from Gowdy and Goodlatte.

 

Republican lawmakers have alleged that the FBI and DOJ withheld material information about the dossier, including the fact that it was financed by the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee.

 

The FBI and DOJ obtained four FISA warrants against Page, with the first one issued on Oct. 21, 2016.

“There is evidence political opposition research was used in court filings,” write Gowdy and Goodlatte, who noted that the dossier was “neither vetted before it was used nor fully revealed to the relevant tribunal.”

 

Gowdy, who recently announced that he will not run for re-election in November, has been especially reluctant to calls for a special counsel. But he signaled change last Sunday when he said in a Fox News interview that a special counsel “may be unavoidable.”

 

One argument he made in support of an independent investigator was the dossier was handled by officials in numerous government agencies, including the FBI, Justice Department, State Department, CIA, and Obama White House.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/06/gowdy-goodlatte-special-counsel-investigate-fisa-abuse/

 

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This will be interesting...

 

 

 

 

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White House says Trump's legal team supports a second special counsel to probe FBI, DOJ

  • President Donald Trump's legal team backs the idea of a second special counsel to investigate the FBI and Justice Department, the White House says.
  • Axios reports that Trump's lawyers have approved of a probe into U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies' actions during the 2016 presidential campaign.
  • The White House also says Trump is not considering any moves at the Justice Department right now, appearing to swat away fears that he will fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

Published 4:47 PM ET Mon, 5 Feb 2018

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/05/trumps-legal-team-supports-a-second-special-counsel-to-probe-fbi-doj...

 

 

 

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