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Now Perhaps You Understand the Process a little more clearly.
First, Countries like Saudi Arabia make Non-binding Proposals to purchase X $ of US Military Equipment
Saudi Arabia made approx. the same Dollar Commitment under Obama as they have with Trump - (so I was Wrong) however they actually only received and paid for less than 1/3 of the 100 Billion they proposed buying
As you stated the proposals are also a commitment that spans over a decade or more
Bottomline - Neither Obama or Trump should be selling Miltary Hardware to a Country with horrible Human rights records - a Country who kills their own Citizens - kidnaps Foreign Leaders without due process and enslaves entire groups of immigrants and refuses the same freedoms to women as men.
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You're not alone. What seems clear, is that Trump’s version of global strategy is turning out to be yet more of the same as it was during the Obama Tenure. There still aren't enough members of Congress to stand up to the Arms Industry.


Perhaps you'll understand more clearly what was going on back then....


Back in September, 2016, when Obama was pushing through weapons sales to Saudi Arabia, some Democrats were resisting.


27 Senators defied one of the most powerful and wealthy lobbies in Washington, the arms industry, by supporting S.J.Res.39, a resolution to block the Obama administration’s proposed sale of $1.15 billion worth of tanks and other advanced weaponry to Saudi Arabia.


The Obama administration had approved $115 billion worth of arms deals to Saudi Arabia in 42 separate sales.
The weapons sales to Saudi Arabia demonstrated that no matter how many schools, marketplaces, or hospitals it bombs in its intervention in Yemen, the Obama administration will have its back.


But, back in September, 2016, 27 Senators rebelled against the arms industry and Obama's Arms Deal.
Here are the 27 Senators who stood up and defied the Arms Industry:


Baldwin (D-WI), Nay
Blumenthal (D-CT), Nay
Booker (D-NJ), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Franken (D-MN), Nay
Gillibrand (D-NY), Nay
Heinrich (D-NM), Nay
Heller (R-NV), Nay
Hirono (D-HI), Nay
Kirk (R-IL), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Markey (D-MA), Nay
Murphy (D-CT), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Paul (R-KY), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schatz (D-HI), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Udall (D-NM), Nay
Warren (D-MA), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay


* General Dynamics, the primary beneficiary of this arms deal, had spent over $5 million on lobbying in 2016, and almost $2 million on campaign contributions in the 2016 cycle.


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@gordyfl wrote:

"I haven't researched your claims about Obama selling weapons to Saudi Arabia but I will and if I was incorrect I will admit it"....

 

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While the president was in Saudi Arabia, the Trump administration announced $110 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia—with an additional $240 billion committed over a 10-year period. If you’ve ever worked in government, you know this is what is called a “deliverable,” the clunky management-consultantese term for a tangible outcome of a visit or meeting. When Donald Trump is asked to justify his trip to Saudi Arabia, he’ll cite that $110 billion in arms sales.


There are a few interesting things about these sales.


The first is that many of these sales were already in the works.


The Obama administration spent eight years quietly selling a lot of arms to Saudi Arabia:

 

When President Obama left office, for example, the United States still had $100 billion in the foreign military sales pipeline with Saudi Arabia and, in 2011, had inked what was previously the "largest arms sale" in U.S. history with the Saudi Kingdom—a $29 billion deal to sell F-15s to the Saudis.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/americas-right-to-sell-arms/527805/

 

 

 

 


Now Perhaps You Understand the Process a little more clearly

 

First, Countries like Saudi Arabia make Non-binding Proposals to purchase X $ of US Military Equipment

 

Saudi Arabia made approx. the same Dollar Commitment under Obama as they have with Trump - (so I was Wrong) however they actually only received and paid for less than 1/3 of the 100 Billion they proposed buying

 

As you stated the proposals are also a commitment that spans over a decade or more

 

Bottomline - Neither Obama or Trump should be selling Miltary Hardware to a Country with horrible Human rights records - a Country who kills their own Citizens - kidnaps Foreign Leaders without due process and enslaves entire groups of immigrants and refuses the same freedoms to women as men

 

 

 

 

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"I haven't researched your claims about Obama selling weapons to Saudi Arabia but I will and if I was incorrect I will admit it"....

 

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While the president was in Saudi Arabia, the Trump administration announced $110 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia—with an additional $240 billion committed over a 10-year period. If you’ve ever worked in government, you know this is what is called a “deliverable,” the clunky management-consultantese term for a tangible outcome of a visit or meeting. When Donald Trump is asked to justify his trip to Saudi Arabia, he’ll cite that $110 billion in arms sales.


There are a few interesting things about these sales.


The first is that many of these sales were already in the works.


The Obama administration spent eight years quietly selling a lot of arms to Saudi Arabia:

 

When President Obama left office, for example, the United States still had $100 billion in the foreign military sales pipeline with Saudi Arabia and, in 2011, had inked what was previously the "largest arms sale" in U.S. history with the Saudi Kingdom—a $29 billion deal to sell F-15s to the Saudis.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/americas-right-to-sell-arms/527805/

 

 

 

 

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The Saudi's are "good" allies because they haven't directly attacked Israel BUT their State Religeon is the most bloodthursty of all the Muslim sects - the Wahabbi Sunnis who gave us Osama Bin Ladin AND AlQaeda.

 

However, when the Orange Toad paid them a visit, they projected a YUGE image of him an a building he could see, and said many nice things about him personally, so he'll follow them anywhere (and sell them anything).

 

Der Trumper has the intellectual and emotional development of your average 6 year-old - been that way since he was 6, ain't gonna change because it WORKS FOR HIM.

 

Only salvation will be to strip him of his power base and send him to jail for tax evasion, just like another of his heros, Al Capone.

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Here's Rand Paul in September, 2016 -- before Trump was even elected.

 

Blitzer is more worried about the loss of American jobs....

 

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Strange how the Saudis have no problem drawing that ol' line in the sand even though the Commander in Chief hasn't even made a first move or threat.   I guess they know when the making of money is involved, they've got Mr. Trump's rump over an oil barrel. 

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@mickstuder wrote:

Saudi's Vows To Retaliate 

Prior to Trump about all they could have done to retaliate is throw sand at us

 

Now with Trump - He's armed the Saudi's with our most sophisticated Military Hardware & Software

 

Planes - Tanks - Artillary - Defense Systems

 

Now the Saudi's can turn our own Weapons against us

 

That's why previous American Presidents refused to arm the Saudi's with more than Slings & Bow & Arrows

 

The Saudi's Cannot Be Trusted

 

Trump is not fit to be President

 

Selling Military Weapons to the Saudi's proves the GOP cannot Govern

 

 


How can anyone possibly try to defend trump for arming the Saudis the way that he did?  I'm sure we'll hear something lame.  We know we cannot trust the Saudis, most of those captured for 911 were Saudis. You are right, they can't be trusted, and trump is not fit to be president. Thank you trump and the GOP.

 

What will trump and the GOP do now?


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@gordyfl wrote:

Prior to Trump about all they could have done to retaliate is throw sand at us

 

Now with Trump - He's armed the Saudi's with our most sophisticated Military Hardware & Software

 

Planes - Tanks - Artillary - Defense Systems

 

Now the Saudi's can turn our own Weapons against us

 

That's why previous American Presidents refused to arm the Saudi's with more than Slings & Bow & Arrows

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Eighteen months ago, Donald Trump visited Saudi Arabia and said he had concluded $110 billion dollars in arms sales with the kingdom. It was fake news then and it’s still fake news today.

The Saudis have not concluded a single major arms deal with Washington on Trump’s watch.


Under President Obama, Saudi Arabia spent well over $110 billion in U.S. weapons, including for aircraft, helicopters, and air-defense missiles. These deals were the largest in American history. Saudi commentators routinely decried Obama for failing to protect Saudi interests, but the kingdom loved his arms deals.
But the kingdom has not bought any new arms platform during the Trump administration. Only one has even been seriously discussed.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/after-khashoggi-us-arms-sales-saudis-are-essential-leverage


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September 7, 2016
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, a report seen by Reuters has found.
Saudi Arabia signed billions of dollars of deals with U.S. arms producers and energy companies, including Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, General Electric, Exxon Mobil, Halliburton, Honeywell, McDermott International, Jacobs Engineering Group, Rowan Companies, National Oilwell Varco, Nabors Industries, Weatherford International, Schlumberger and Dow Chemical.

The Trump White House hailed their deal as a "significant expansion" of the two nations' "security relationships". The United States Secretary of State Rex Tillerson described the deal as "historic" and said that it would counter Iran.


Tulsi Gabbard—a Democratic Representative from Hawaii—criticized the move, saying that "Saudi Arabia is a country with a devastating record of human rights violations at home and abroad and has a long history of providing support to terrorist organizations that threaten the American people".


Rand Paul introduced a bill to try to block the plan calling it a "travesty".


US defense stocks reached all-time highs after the announcement.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal

 

 


VERY OLD NEWS - FROM 2016 & 2017

 

AND YOU FORGOT TO ADD ONE VERY IMPORTANT UPDATED ADDITION TO YOUR OWN WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE

 

In August, 2018, a laser-guided Mark 82 bomb sold by the U.S. and built by Lockheed Martin was used in the Saudi-led coalition airstrike on a school bus in Yemen, which killed 51 people, including 40 children.[49]

 

Trump's $110 billion Saudi arms deal has only earned $14.5 billion so far

 

Source - https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/politics/trump-khashoggi-saudi-arabia-arms-deal-sanctions/index.html

 

I haven't researched your claims about Obama selling weapons to Saudi Arabia but I will and if I was incorrect I will admit it

 

1. Aug. 13, 2018 - WASHINGTON, DC – Today, the U.S. Senate voted 87-10 to pass the bicameral conference agreement on the John S. McCain National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2019 to enhance the military’s capacity, capabilities, and readiness. 

 

 

Trump Defense Act.png

 

 

Nothing in the Bill prohibits Arms Sales to Saudi Arabia - in fact the only mention of Saudi Arabia in the Bill is with regards to Yemen

 

Yemen:

Includes a provision that would prohibit the expenditure of funds to

provide authorized in-flight refueling to Saudi or Saudi-led coalition non-United States aircraft conducting missions in Yemen, pending certifications by the Secretary of State that the governments of Saudi Arabia and the UAE are taking certain actions related to the civil war in Yemen. Requires the Secretary of Defense to conduct a review to determine whether the Armed Forces or U.S. partners violated applicable laws or policies while

conducting operations in Yemen.

 

Source - https://www.reed.senate.gov/news/releases/congress-passes-2019-national-defense-authorization-act

 

The U.S. sold a total of $55.6 billion of weapons worldwide in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30 — up 33 percent from the previous fiscal year, and a near record.

 

In 2017, the U.S. cleared some $18 billion in new Saudi arms deals.

Saudi Arabia is America's No. 1 weapons customer

 

 

US Weapons Sales.png

 

 

 

 

2. March 23, 2018 - The State Department on Thursday announced the sale of 6,700 anti-tank missiles to Saudi Arabia, hours after Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman met Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to discuss the Saudi-led bombing of Yemen.

 

The weapons "will support U.S. foreign policy and national security objectives by improving the security of a friendly country," the State Department said.

 

Thursday's deal came two days after bin Salman met President Donald Trump, and hours after he held talks with Pentagon leaders including Mattis.

 

U.S. sells 6,700 missiles to Saudi Arabia as part of $1 billion deal

 

The State Department said it had notified Congress of the proposed sale, part of a $1 billion defense deal that also includes parts and maintenance support for Saudi tanks and helicopters.

 
 The main contractor for the missiles is Tucson, Arizona-based Raytheon.
 
 
Saudi Arabia will buy: 6,696 TOW 2B missiles and associated training materials worth $670 million; parts and repairs support worth $300 million for its Abrams tanks and fighting vehicles, and maintenance equipment worth $100 million for its fleet of AH-64D/E, UH-60L, Schweizer 333 and Bell 406CS helicopters.
 
3. 10/12/2018 - SENATORS PUSH VOTE TO BLOCK ARMS SALES AFTER KHASHOGGI DISAPPEARANCE:
 
“Senators in both parties are gearing up to force a vote on scrapping U.S. arms sales to Saudi Arabia amid mounting frustration over the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a critic of the Riyadh government,” reports POLITICO’s Elana Schor.

 

“As Republicans and Democrats raise alarms over Khashoggi, whose vanishing and potential killing has been linked to the Saudis by Turkish intelligence, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said Thursday that he plans to introduce a resolution of disapproval once Congress is notified of the next potential U.S. weapons sale to Saudi Arabia.”

 

Senate Armed Services Chairman Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) says he doesn’t support suspending arms sales, but would seek advice from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

 

“I’m going to keep an open mind,” Inhofe said.

 

WHY WOULD US SENATORS VOTE TO BLOCK SALES OF ARMS TO SAUDI ARABIA IF WE AREN'T SELLING ARMS TO SAUDI ARABIA?

 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

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I~ think they will weaponize their oil sales. How convienient we cut off the iranians, an now the sauds are acting up. Oil companies like to say the US is self suffecient, but i will bet there will be a reason it cant be use here to prop our economy. of course the real reason is capitalism

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Prior to Trump about all they could have done to retaliate is throw sand at us

 

Now with Trump - He's armed the Saudi's with our most sophisticated Military Hardware & Software

 

Planes - Tanks - Artillary - Defense Systems

 

Now the Saudi's can turn our own Weapons against us

 

That's why previous American Presidents refused to arm the Saudi's with more than Slings & Bow & Arrows

_________________________________

 

Eighteen months ago, Donald Trump visited Saudi Arabia and said he had concluded $110 billion dollars in arms sales with the kingdom. It was fake news then and it’s still fake news today.

The Saudis have not concluded a single major arms deal with Washington on Trump’s watch.


Under President Obama, Saudi Arabia spent well over $110 billion in U.S. weapons, including for aircraft, helicopters, and air-defense missiles. These deals were the largest in American history. Saudi commentators routinely decried Obama for failing to protect Saudi interests, but the kingdom loved his arms deals.
But the kingdom has not bought any new arms platform during the Trump administration. Only one has even been seriously discussed.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/after-khashoggi-us-arms-sales-saudis-are-essential-leverage


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September 7, 2016
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, a report seen by Reuters has found.
Saudi Arabia signed billions of dollars of deals with U.S. arms producers and energy companies, including Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, General Electric, Exxon Mobil, Halliburton, Honeywell, McDermott International, Jacobs Engineering Group, Rowan Companies, National Oilwell Varco, Nabors Industries, Weatherford International, Schlumberger and Dow Chemical.

The Trump White House hailed their deal as a "significant expansion" of the two nations' "security relationships". The United States Secretary of State Rex Tillerson described the deal as "historic" and said that it would counter Iran.


Tulsi Gabbard—a Democratic Representative from Hawaii—criticized the move, saying that "Saudi Arabia is a country with a devastating record of human rights violations at home and abroad and has a long history of providing support to terrorist organizations that threaten the American people".


Rand Paul introduced a bill to try to block the plan calling it a "travesty".


US defense stocks reached all-time highs after the announcement.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_arms_deal

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