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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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What is Bernie lying about? 

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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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I would say the perfect plan has to evolve, but all the anti health folks are anti evolution too.
So it begins.
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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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byrondennis wrote:

NerdyMom wrote:... a typical middle class family that earns $50,000 would only spend $466 out of pocket on the premium.  That's amazing.

 

 


That IS amazing. What is your source of that number? Is it annual or monthly? I have seen nothing from Senator Sanders other than -- as quoted in chrono comment 1 from today's New York Times:

 

  • "The transition to the Medicare for All program would take place over four years. In the first year, benefits to older people would be expanded to include dental care, vision coverage and hearing aids, and the eligibility age for Medicare would be lowered to 55. All children under the age of 18 would also be covered. In the second year, the eligibility age would be lowered to 45 and in the third year to 35. By the fourth year, every man, woman and child in the country would be covered by Medicare for All."

 

Since what we have today costs a single person making around $20K...

  • around $1500 a year today...
  • plus sunk costs...
  • plus double that or more on supplemental insurance depending on state of residence...
  • plus out of pocket for annual physicals and costs the exceed the per-incident and lifetime limits...

... it's hard to know where the $466 per family comes from? Since over time the population would get younger than it is today, if that premium is monthly that would make sense. Of course remember that family would then have to add drug, and supplemental coverage, and pay for things out of pocket just like we on Medicare are doing today according to the Sanders NYT op ed.

 

Or the other possibility is that Sanders fibbed in the New York Times op-ed piece?


I got it from his website. Employers pay 6.2% of income and employees pay 2.2% of income.   A family making $50,000 who gets standard deductions on their taxes would pay $466 total. 

 

It's  income based, not age based.

 

No out out of pocket costs.

 

As ChasKy said, it's not identical to Medicare today.

 

 

 

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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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byrondennis wrote:

ChasKy53 wrote:

Bernie's plan is not actuall Medicare as wer now know it, so the 50% out of pocket costs under his proposed plan is bunk. Medicare for all is a call name for his plan, with much better coverage.



I guess you don't believe what Sanders wrote in the New York Times as quoted in chronological comment 1 (also follow link in chrono comment 1). I don't believe Sanders either. I also think he is lying to try to trick people.


How do you trick people into affordable health coverage?  

 

Well, regardless. Bernie does now that the party-which-cannot-govern is in power and this will not be implemented. However, he also knows it is another step in moving toward the less costly and more effective system of single payer used by every other developed country in the world. 

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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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ChasKy53 wrote:

Bernie's plan is not actuall Medicare as wer now know it, so the 50% out of pocket costs under his proposed plan is bunk. Medicare for all is a call name for his plan, with much better coverage.



I guess you don't believe what Sanders wrote in the New York Times as quoted in chronological comment 1 (also follow link in chrono comment 1). I don't believe Sanders either. I also think he is lying to try to trick people.

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NerdyMom wrote:... a typical middle class family that earns $50,000 would only spend $466 out of pocket on the premium.  That's amazing.

 

 


That IS amazing. What is your source of that number? Is it annual or monthly? I have seen nothing from Senator Sanders other than -- as quoted in chrono comment 1 from today's New York Times:

 

  • "The transition to the Medicare for All program would take place over four years. In the first year, benefits to older people would be expanded to include dental care, vision coverage and hearing aids, and the eligibility age for Medicare would be lowered to 55. All children under the age of 18 would also be covered. In the second year, the eligibility age would be lowered to 45 and in the third year to 35. By the fourth year, every man, woman and child in the country would be covered by Medicare for All."

 

Since what we have today costs a single person making around $20K...

  • around $1500 a year today...
  • plus sunk costs...
  • plus double that or more on supplemental insurance depending on state of residence...
  • plus out of pocket for annual physicals and costs the exceed the per-incident and lifetime limits...

... it's hard to know where the $466 per family comes from? Since over time the population would get younger than it is today, if that premium is monthly that would make sense. Of course remember that family would then have to add drug, and supplemental coverage, and pay for things out of pocket just like we on Medicare are doing today according to the Sanders NYT op ed.

 

Or the other possibility is that Sanders fibbed in the New York Times op-ed piece?

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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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As a life long auto worker, i dont have sympathy for insurance people getting laid off. wanna talk about socialism? we pay Millionaire CEO's to hire peons to decide our healthcare, with the mission of PROFITING off our care. ow about health care with a mission of ..oh, i dont know..HEALTH.
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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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Bernie's plan is not actuall Medicare as we now know it, so the 50% out of pocket costs under his proposed plan is bunk. Medicare for all is a call name for his plan, with much better coverage.

 

When a universal health care plan for America was first introduced, what developed from it? Medicare for the aged did, it was a compromise, it's past time to move on, improve Medicare and include all from cradle to grave. It can be done in this great country of ours if we ignore the $$Multi-Billion$$ dollar special interests who stand in the way.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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It will hurt me tax wise, but that's fine. I want to see how CBO costs it out.

 

But a typical middle class family that earns $50,000 would only spend $466 out of pocket on the premium.  That's amazing.

 

 

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Re: Sanders ' Medicare for All Plan: Much Ado about Nothing

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Personally, I don't think that Medicare for all is the way to go.  It is impossible to actually propose a plan until we have studied other plans in other countries and see where the pitfalls in their system happen to be.
I do believe that there is a way but the way, needs to be a new way, and not a plan that is dependent on any plan in existant today in the US.
I also believe that most of those countries do not have the problem of the pharmaceuticals that we have here. and until that is controlled just like utilities we will get nowhere.

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