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SOCIALISM VERSUS THE PRESENT MONARCHY

Heard a clip of Sanders in California . and it really surprised me. I heared him speaking about the Democratic Establishment and  how we should not put them forward. so now the Establishment  of the Democratic Party is not good? 
Well, if this is bad with Trump, Sorry guys but Bernie is really beginning to look to me not that much better.

Suggestion. neither socialism nor the dictatorship/monarchy that we have today is acceptable to me.

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Black women will determine who the nominee is.  Let's see what South Carolina brings.

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Bernie is not, and never has been a Democrat. His politics and socialists views have always veered far left of anything in the D-party. He has a long history and the Trump GOP will be more than happy to dredge it all up and use it against him in a general election. Several Never Trumpers have published op-eds warning D's of this very thing, and have also been on tv telling us, "the sociopath beats the socialist every day of the week and twice on election Tuesday."

 

Anyone who doesn't know what skeletons are in Bernie's closet better be finding out now, before you go vote in the primary. 

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@easyed598 wrote:

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The world has ended because I agree with you. White liberals aren't putting their votes where their racial equity mouths are...

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Manic wrote-The world has ended because I agree with you. White liberals aren't putting their votes where their racial equity mouths are...-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------OMG-Should I be worried?

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@easyed598 wrote:

Manic wrote-The world has ended because I agree with you. White liberals aren't putting their votes where their racial equity mouths are...-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------OMG-Should I be worried?


No, it's a one-off. Lol.

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Manic wrote-No, it's a one-off. Lol.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I might be slipping and my Republican friends might turn on me.   Hope this picture will get me back This should do itThis should do it in  their good graces

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Demonizing money in politics is laughable.  MOney is what makes any politician and that is what any politician understands.
The biggest problem that I have with Bernie and Warren is just that. they are constantly demonizing rich people, and I will confess that is exactly what happened in Cuba in 1959. The Fidel Castro mantra was to demonize the rich that had taken advantage of the poor. and created the biggest division that I had the privilege of seeing.
Since then, I will not believe anyone that continuously demonizes people with money. most of those people worked for their money, they didn't steal it. 
equating Trump, Bernie and Warren, is what I have seen. and I will not sit by and in order to try to get Trump out. give my vote to individuals that I consider as dangerous as Trump

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

Demonizing money in politics is laughable.  MOney is what makes any politician and that is what any politician understands.
The biggest problem that I have with Bernie and Warren is just that. they are constantly demonizing rich people


First off ........... it does matter where the money comes from that finances a politician's campaign. Most of Bernie's money comes from small individual grass roots contributions, more than any other candidate. Politician's are beholding to where their funds come from, the vast majority of the funds Bernie raises are from everyday people. Those that accept money from Giant Corporations and PACs that are funded by the Billionaires tells me who they 'owe' and are beholding to, they are not my first choice. 

 

Secondly, Bernie and Warren do not "demonize rich people", they demonize the wealthiest buying our politicians with their $Billions$ in campaign contributions and their dark money funding all of the commercials they run for them. They literally buy our lawmakers and that is what Sanders and Warren "demonizes" .......... justifiably so.

 

 


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Democrats should start being very concerned with the present polls.  Bernie Sanders is surging in many places.

I believe because of the division that exists in the party. There are now too many Moderates that should start thinking in going away and uniting with one of the Moderates,  because this divssion may leave Sanders as the candidate, If that is what you all want/?
Bernie Sanders vs Trump?

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WAS A GOOD QUESTION --  It's not too late to reject a socialist.  


Bernie the "socialist"  millionaire 3 x over is out there criticizing Bloomberg for his wealth when Bloomberg made his out of a one room apt and built it up.  How did Bernie get his ?     

 

Bernie brags about not having a super-pac but yet he takes money from INDIVIDUALS in groups/organizations as if that makes a difference it's not in BULK sums instead of individually.

He looks like he's 150 years old,  and    If he loses he'll complain the party he's not a member of is unfair to him....like he complained  it was in 2016. and got nasty about it.   

This  old socialist has convinced people he invented the democratic party platform with additions of his socialism-communism goals and calls himself a socialist-democrat.   HUH ???  .   

He has RUINED the reputation of our party.or rather his cult has as socialism as a step to communism for the Democratic Party  is not in the spectrum.  

The Democratic Party has  always been for a   thriving regulated    capitalism with generous social benefits.    

 

 

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The Democratic Party has  always been for a   thriving regulated    capitalism with generous social benefits.    

 

 


And this is exactly what a Democratic Socialist stands for.  The Communism remark was simply out of line, Bernie stands for no principles anywhere close to that.


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So let me get this straight.

 

Bernie is buying the election with YOUR (collectively speaking) money, and Bloomberg is buying the election with HIS money. What's the problem? My money or his money? His money is just fine. At least Bloomberg was a lifelong member of the D-party before he ran for mayor. Bernie has never been a D, and is literally hijacking the party to go left, same as Trump hijacked the R-party. I see no difference except that they are politically polar opposites.

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@MaVolta wrote:

So let me get this straight.

 

Bernie is buying the election with YOUR (collectively speaking) money, and Bloomberg is buying the election with HIS money. What's the problem? My money or his money? His money is just fine. At least Bloomberg was a lifelong member of the D-party before he ran for mayor. Bernie has never been a D, and is literally hijacking the party to go left, same as Trump hijacked the R-party. I see no difference except that they are politically polar opposites.


The electorate that has always supported the Democratic Party is moving to the left a bit, or haven't you noticed?

 

Actually, both the Democratic Party and the Republican party moved to the Right and now anyone slightly left is erroneously called a Liberal.

 

I've been waiting a lot of years to see the Democrats raise taxes back up on the wealthiest, they have claimed to want to since Reagan. They had the majority in both Houses the first two years of Obama's presidency and sure didn't do it then.

 

By the way, leaning left on Social Issues is not being a Socialist.  I have no idea why Bernie uses the term Socialist because in reality he isn't, he is a Progressive. I don't know any Politician that wants the government to own the ways and means of manufacturing.


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@ChasKy53  - A BIT to the left? With Sanders and Warren, they are moving a lot to the left, IMO. Bernie doesn't just "lean left." He is well left of center on all issues. That is why I am supporting the more "moderate" progressive Democrats like Amy Klobuchar. I am not advocating for anyone in particular, and I haven't made a decision on which candidate will get my vote. I can only tell you that it won't be Sanders or Warren. But if it comes down to Sanders vs Bloomberg at the convention, I would rather see Bloomberg get it.

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@ChasKy53  - A BIT to the left? With Sanders and Warren, they are moving a lot to the left, IMO. Bernie doesn't just "lean left." He is well left of center on all issues. That is why I am supporting the more "moderate" progressive Democrats like Amy Klobuchar. I am not advocating for anyone in particular, and I haven't made a decision on which candidate will get my vote. I can only tell you that it won't be Sanders or Warren. But if it comes down to Sanders vs Bloomberg at the convention, I would rather see Bloomberg get it.


And what if Sanders wins?

 


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@MaVolta wrote:

@ChasKy53  - A BIT to the left? With Sanders and Warren, they are moving a lot to the left, IMO. Bernie doesn't just "lean left." He is well left of center on all issues. That is why I am supporting the more "moderate" progressive Democrats like Amy Klobuchar. I am not advocating for anyone in particular, and I haven't made a decision on which candidate will get my vote. I can only tell you that it won't be Sanders or Warren. But if it comes down to Sanders vs Bloomberg at the convention, I would rather see Bloomberg get it.


And what if Sanders wins?

 


Then you'd better hope that the Sanders cult is bigger than the Trump cult.

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@MaVolta wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@MaVolta wrote:

@ChasKy53  - A BIT to the left? With Sanders and Warren, they are moving a lot to the left, IMO. Bernie doesn't just "lean left." He is well left of center on all issues. That is why I am supporting the more "moderate" progressive Democrats like Amy Klobuchar. I am not advocating for anyone in particular, and I haven't made a decision on which candidate will get my vote. I can only tell you that it won't be Sanders or Warren. But if it comes down to Sanders vs Bloomberg at the convention, I would rather see Bloomberg get it.


And what if Sanders wins?

 


Then you'd better hope that the Sanders cult is bigger than the Trump cult.


I don't know of any "cult", glad you could get in a cute insult 

 

I am a Sanders supporter who will vote for whoever becomes the Democratic Candidate.  So, if others support a candidate other than Bernie and don't vote for him if he wins the candidacy, are they "cult" members of a different "cult"?


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@MaVolta wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

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@ChasKy53  - A BIT to the left? With Sanders and Warren, they are moving a lot to the left, IMO. Bernie doesn't just "lean left." He is well left of center on all issues. That is why I am supporting the more "moderate" progressive Democrats like Amy Klobuchar. I am not advocating for anyone in particular, and I haven't made a decision on which candidate will get my vote. I can only tell you that it won't be Sanders or Warren. But if it comes down to Sanders vs Bloomberg at the convention, I would rather see Bloomberg get it.


And what if Sanders wins?

 


Then you'd better hope that the Sanders cult is bigger than the Trump cult.


I don't know of any "cult", glad you could get in a cute insult 

 

I am a Sanders supporter who will vote for whoever becomes the Democratic Candidate.  So, if others support a candidate other than Bernie and don't vote for him if he wins the candidacy, are they "cult" members of a different "cult"?


Maybe I'm just sick and tired of having to vote against someone instead for someone, and I'm not afraid to say what I think. If Sanders gets the nomination, I'll consider myself and Independent, and vote as I please. If that makes me a cult member, so be it.

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Trump  for 4 more years, thanks to Bernie and hie Socialist movement.  and whomever demonize Bloomberg if they are Democrats, sorry, but he is spending his money. remember? HIS  money not your money. and now many Democrats are demonizing him for reasons that we all know if we really want to be honest with ourselves.
So, Democrats, Hail to the Chief. Trump for 4 more years. 

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Trump  for 4 more years


You wanted him in there in the first place, to "teach everyone a lesson" Well, you got your way.

 

If Bernie wins the nomination and you don't vote for him you'll get trump again.

 

And I have not demonized any other candidate including Bloomberg.


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@MaVolta wrote:

So let me get this straight.

 

Bernie is buying the election with YOUR (collectively speaking) money, and Bloomberg is buying the election with HIS money. What's the problem? My money or his money? His money is just fine. . . . . . .


I am not passing any judgement on Mike Bloomberg or his way of seeking this high office.  I just found this and other articles to be very revealing on what happens once he is in office as this article says about his 12 years as mayor of NYC.

Wonder why he did not run for governor of NY - I don't think he did.

The Atlantic 01/07/2020 - The Real Power of Bloomberg’s Money 

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It’s not what he spends to get into office that’s so transformative—it’s what he spends once he gets there.

 

When people think about the political relevance of Michael Bloomberg’s money, they tend to think about how his massive spending helps his campaigns: the record $261 million he spent on his three successful mayoral runs, the billions he could end up spending on his quest for the presidency. What people often miss is that Bloomberg actually spent more of his own money boosting his policy efforts in city hall than he did to get there.

 

Part of Bloomberg’s presidential sales pitch is that his personal wealth—he’s worth an estimated $56 billion—makes him incorruptible. Not only is he unbribeable; being rich enough to never take political contributions, he can assume office unbeholden to donors. But Bloomberg is so rich that he shifts the direction of potential influence: Donors may not be able to buy influence, but he can use his wealth to push things in the directions he wants.

 

Bloomberg spent extensively as mayor of New York. He gave massive sums to nonprofit organizations and arts groups. He contributed enormous amounts in political donations out of his personal bank account. (Most politicians make political donations out of their campaign accounts or PACs.) He funded nonprofit organizations that boosted his policy agenda. When church groups or community organizations threatened to get noisy in opposition to him or his programs, he wrote checks that tended to quiet them down. (Top Democrats were known to tease black ministers who got only $25,000 for their churches, when peers who’d held out longer received $50,000—the deal was that these ministers didn’t have to support him, but if they wanted the checks to keep coming, they needed to stay neutral.) His company, Bloomberg LP, made many corporate contributions that lined up with his political interests. The money kept coming and coming and coming and coming. It broke logjams, and overcame institutional resistance. His money allowed him to drown out the opposition—and often made potential rivals hold their tongue. The timely and balanced budgets Bloomberg touted each year in PowerPoint presentations were enabled in part by spending cuts to groups that were then made whole again by the most transparent of anonymous donations. The money he spent led to fewer protests, and deals that were easier to make. . . . .

 

. . . . In short, the money Bloomberg spent in office helped him to be more popular and successful as mayor than he otherwise would have been. Much of this money can’t be tracked by the usual means of measuring funds in politics: campaign-finance disclosures.

 

Lots more at the Atlantic article link provided above ~

 

Is this Democracy?

Sounds like just another way of getting one's way.

 

Course even 60 Billion won't go far at the National level, will it?

 

 

 

 

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

If that is what you all want/?
Bernie Sanders vs Trump?


Many of us Dems want Sanders, many don't.  The moderates accused Sanders supporters of all abandoning Hillary and present that as a reason that Hillary lost. Actually, Hillary ran a lousy campaign and did not campaign in the rust belt states. I was a Bernie supporter and united with many of Bernie's supporters campaigning for Hillary on the ground in our community. 

 

Those supporting moderate candidates in the Democratic Primary need to unite behind Bernie if he wins the nomination. They need to do what they told Bernie supporters to do in 2016 or it will bite them in their netherlands.


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The world has ended because I agree with you. White liberals aren't putting their votes where their racial equity mouths are...


True, that.

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