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@rk9152 wrote:

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So  according to  your post Communism does not exist any longer.  

 

So according to reality, Communism (as envisioned by Marx) never did exist.


 


That is absolutely correct. Marx envisioned the communist revolution to take place in  factories then government would slowly fade away.  In reality, it took place in an agricultural society and was used as justification to strengthen the powers of government over time. Of course, they were starting from a total dictatorship with an inbred and out of touch Czar.  (You know I want to do a Trump analogy here).  In short, it never existed as envisioned. 

 

 

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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

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So according to reality, Communism (as envisioned by Marx) never did exist.

Well, there IS that....

 

btw, Cuba considers itself a Democracy.


By the way, often coutries and people are mistaken a good  portion of the time.

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@rk9152 wrote:

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So according to reality, Communism (as envisioned by Marx) never did exist.

Well, there IS that....

 

btw, Cuba considers itself a Democracy.


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@Roxanna35 wrote:


So  according to  your post Communism does not exist any longer.  

 

So according to reality, Communism (as envisioned by Marx) never did exist.


 

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Socialism is an economic system, while Communism is a police state, much like Fascism. I get into ferocious arguments with Dinesh D'Souza about this. Adolf Hitler won the Iron Cross in World War One for bravery on the Battlefield. After the War RIGHT-WING CHIEF OF STAFF Prussian General Ludendorf hired Hitler to work for for German Military Intelligence, spying on leftists and their political organizations in Barvaria. Hitler would then testify in court when the groups were tried for sedition and treason. Remember the torture murder of Communists Karl Leibknecht and Rosa Luxembourg by soldiers after WWI? Hitler pictured with General Ludendorf 10 years before he became Chancellor in 1932 and a couple of years after WWI. 

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Hitler was sent to spy on the small Nazi Party, even though the party had no clear leader and was disorganized. Hitler saw an opportunity and grabbed it, he took over the party. He and his propaganda expert Dr. Joseph Goebbels thought of changing the name to a more centrist, conservative name, but decided that their name would offer more hope and attract more followers  during the economic catastrophe of the Great Depression, which struck Weimar Germany first. Starving civilians are taking a dead horse apart for food, which died on a Berlin Street.weimar --horse-meat-berlin-.jpg

Hitler was an excellent speaker and persuasive. He blamed all of Germany's problems on Communists, Jews and Unions, which brought him to the attention of Germany's two richest families. The Krupps/Military Armaments and Todt/Construction, they built the death camps. They funded Hitler and the Nazi Political Campaigns throughout the 1920's. In 1930, Hitler lost the Reichstag Election by 2,250,000 Votes, but the Nazis were now the 2nd largest party. Krupp and Todt forced German Chancellor von Papen to included Hitler in his Conservative/Royalist Cabinet, much against his will. 

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In 1932, when von Papen lost a no confidence vote, Billionaires Krupp and Todt bullied 80+ year-old President Hindenburg to appoint Hitler Chancellor. The first act Hitler and his Nazis(supposed socialists, remember)  performed was to make May 1st, Labor Day, a Holiday. The next day Hitler proved he and his Nazis were not Socialists. Hitler and Goering sent the Gestapo to murder powerful union leaders, arrest the rest and make Unions and Strikes ILLEGAL. 

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Hitler and his Nazis wanted a police state exactly like the Communists in Russia had, but also wanted to destroy the Socialist German Parties, Catholic Party, Communist Parties, only keeping the Royalist Conservative Party, Military Party and Right-Wing Extremist Parties. Von Lubbe was a Young mentally ill Dutch Leftist Jew, who decided to protest Nazi persecution of Jews by burning the German Reichstag. Hitler used this act, which Security Chief Goering probably knew about in advance and may have even facilitated, to outlaw every party except right-wing and royalist parties. So his slight RIGHT-WING coalition government suddenly became a NAZI MAJORITY GOVERNMENT WHEN HE MADE OPPOSITION PARTIES ILLEGAL. 

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Fascist Nazis were not Socialists, big business was the biggest winner of their ascension to power Krupp and Todt had police arrest all union leaders and troublemakers in their factories. And immediately implemented a pay cut approved by Hitler and the Government Certainly the Nazis believed in a police state very much similiar to the Russian Communists.  

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What our resident RWNJs would call socialism works like this. Society decides that something is in the public interest. health care, funding retirement plans, schools, competent daycare, subways, the military.  Then, they put together a plan to provide these services and a plan to fund those services. Everybody who is capable kicks in. Those who have more resources can buy better services.  

 

Works in every other nation and saves them a ton of money.  


Yep, but it's that "everybody who is capable kicks in" that enrages the GOPerLords because the Uberrich are capable of funding the entire operation, just like they did for 40 years before Reagan's taxscam, and that would not be giving the entire BENEFIT to the very top of the 1%, which is the ONLY thing Republicans are told to support.


There is a big difference between "kicks in" (charity) and wealth redistribution (communism).


None of the deranged extreme right fringe nutters have recieved their thirty pieces of silver yet - have they?

 

 

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You will learn for example that Cuba is not a Communist nation.


Ok I will bite, if Cuba is not  a Communist Regime, what are they? a Democracy? they are not even a Dictatorship. at least not any more. so what are they? In my view they actually happen to have lots of similarities with the Russian regime. so what are they. 


Since a Communist nation (per Marx) is governmentless - you can call Cuba whatever you want, but not Communist.



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You will learn for example that Cuba is not a Communist nation.


Ok I will bite, if Cuba is not  a Communist Regime, what are they? a Democracy? they are not even a Dictatorship. at least not any more. so what are they? In my view they actually happen to have lots of similarities with the Russian regime. so what are they. 


Since a Communist nation (per Marx) is governmentless - you can call Cuba whatever you want, but not Communist.



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You will learn for example that Cuba is not a Communist nation.


Ok I will bite, if Cuba is not  a Communist Regime, what are they? a Democracy? they are not even a Dictatorship. at least not any more. so what are they? In my view they actually happen to have lots of similarities with the Russian regime. so what are they. 


Since a Communist nation (per Marx) is governmentless - you can call Cuba whatever you want, but not Communist.


So  according to  your post Communism does not exist any longer.  

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What our resident RWNJs would call socialism works like this. Society decides that something is in the public interest. health care, funding retirement plans, schools, competent daycare, subways, the military.  Then, they put together a plan to provide these services and a plan to fund those services. Everybody who is capable kicks in. Those who have more resources can buy better services.  

 

Works in every other nation and saves them a ton of money.  


Yep, but it's that "everybody who is capable kicks in" that enrages the GOPerLords because the Uberrich are capable of funding the entire operation, just like they did for 40 years before Reagan's taxscam, and that would not be giving the entire BENEFIT to the very top of the 1%, which is the ONLY thing Republicans are told to support.


There is a big difference between "kicks in" (charity) and wealth redistribution (communism).

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

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You will learn for example that Cuba is not a Communist nation.


Ok I will bite, if Cuba is not  a Communist Regime, what are they? a Democracy? they are not even a Dictatorship. at least not any more. so what are they? In my view they actually happen to have lots of similarities with the Russian regime. so what are they. 


Since a Communist nation (per Marx) is governmentless - you can call Cuba whatever you want, but not Communist.

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The GOPerLords have tried to equate Communism with anything and everything that improves the lot of ALL Americans because those actions do not conform to the Republican ideal of Governmental action, namely that all the benefits must go to the very top of the 1%, like Reagan and now Der Trumper's tax scams. This is why they hate fair taxation, universal health care for Americans, Medicare and Social Security and are determined to eliminate all traces of such un-Plutocratic policies.

 

Suffering serious mental derangement because of their constant exposure to Fox, the Republican Base believes Der Trumper when he tells them it was all those bad trade agreements by Obama that are causing soybean prices to drop 25%, instead of his Trade War with China, and the GOPerbase swallows it without chewing.

 

THIS JUST IN: Der Trumper is demanding the parents of the immigrant children he had ripped from their mother's arms and shipped off to for-profit concentration camps must PAY FOR THE AIRFARE TO RETURN THEIR CHILDREN TO THEM.

 

jrbush was evil, Der Trumper is purely Satanic.


Try reading the Communist Manifesto - your responses will be more on topic and seem much more intelligent. E.g. the children of illegal border crosses are really not related to Socialism.

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