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VA benefits are earned by service. The military is like any federal agency in that it performs a proper government function (protection of the nation). Neither has any relationship to Socialism.


You will have to take YOUR definition of socialism up with the Canadian and Norwegian governments as it appears to be significantly different from what is practiced in countries with efficient systems.  You seem to have this idea that the government owns everything and provides services from the profits and that is just not socialism as is practiced in those countries.  Communism, yes.  Norwegian socialism, no. 

 

 

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Look for a very long time and a few years back we had long discussions on what and what was not Socialism

We discussed amply socialism but now of course, Rk as usual tries to manipulate the definitions to suit his one propaganda, or ideas, and as usual confuse people of whatever he tries to say.

Of course there are countries that are in many ways Socialists Democracies. and some more than not have a mixed type of Government.

But that is something I don't think you will have RK admitting because it will blown his theory among  the Trump Followers, that Americans cannot be progressives in ideas, They have to be either Leftists or socialists. I have to say  that I haven't seen him called them Communists. as of how. I guess I simply will have to wait until the term become more popular.

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"ALL" companies are government owned and operated in Communist and Socialist countries. There are no "employee" owned companies or collectives.

 

True - the idea of workers taking control and a government-free society was the dream of Marx, but, as history has shown, a naive dream.

 

52,

Your view of what Marx wanted is nonsense. Worker control? Control of what? Government free society? What is that? Please name me one country in the last 1,000 years that had it.


 


 


Seems you were offered a display of confusion between Marxism and fantasy.


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@alotofgrey wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@alotofgrey wrote:


"ALL" companies are government owned and operated in Communist and Socialist countries. There are no "employee" owned companies or collectives.

 

True - the idea of workers taking control and a government-free society was the dream of Marx, but, as history has shown, a naive dream.

 

52,

Your view of what Marx wanted is nonsense. Worker control? Control of what? Government free society? What is that? Please name me one country in the last 1,000 years that had it.


Before insulting - read and then think. As you typed, I was referring to Marx's vision (not "any nation in the last 1,000 years"). And it was a worker run, government free system.

 

Care to try again?

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

That is what I have been reading also. so perhaps posters now have learned a little bit about socialism Communism etc.

What is important to also realize that in the US those terms are used to insult people as one of the posters rightfully said.

Of course, anyone that thinks that any program that involves  either the  government or any other so called Socialist program like the Military and the VA  hospitals they have to be leftists or socialists or communists.
Hopefully those posters now may have learned the differences.


Why are you unable to understand the difference between disagreeing with an ideology (and explaining why) and "insult people".

 

Hopefully you have learned a bit about the meaning of the terms you like to inaccurately bandy about.


I do suspect the two of you are using the same term to define two different systems.  If you can explain to me the difference between the VA and the military and Socialism, I am all ears. 

 

Real live examples of governments which consider themselves to be Socialist like Norway, Sweden, and Canada are probably the easiest to discuss.  Places which call themselves Socialist like Venezuela and North Korea but are really just poorly run dictatorships are not so easy to discuss.   

 

If you want to discuss the Norwegian model, I think it is an excellent example of good governance.  Cuba, not so much.   The United States would appear to be an excellent example of the limits of capitalism.  


VA benefits are earned by service. The military is like any federal agency in that it performs a proper government function (protection of the nation). Neither has any relationship to Socialism.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@alotofgrey wrote:


"ALL" companies are government owned and operated in Communist and Socialist countries. There are no "employee" owned companies or collectives.

 

True - the idea of workers taking control and a government-free society was the dream of Marx, but, as history has shown, a naive dream.

 

52,

Your view of what Marx wanted is nonsense. Worker control? Control of what? Government free society? What is that? Please name me one country in the last 1,000 years that had it.


 


 

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"From each according to ability and to each according to need."

 

Whatever you call it, I don't want it. 


Yes, that has proved to be an impractical method of governing. Way too many ways to cheat the system.  I prefer the Democratic Socialist economic models where they ban together to provide services because it is the most efficient way. Again, Canada, Norway, Sweden, etc. 

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"From each according to ability and to each according to need."

 

Whatever you call it, I don't want it. 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Roxanna35 wrote:

That is what I have been reading also. so perhaps posters now have learned a little bit about socialism Communism etc.

What is important to also realize that in the US those terms are used to insult people as one of the posters rightfully said.

Of course, anyone that thinks that any program that involves  either the  government or any other so called Socialist program like the Military and the VA  hospitals they have to be leftists or socialists or communists.
Hopefully those posters now may have learned the differences.


Why are you unable to understand the difference between disagreeing with an ideology (and explaining why) and "insult people".

 

Hopefully you have learned a bit about the meaning of the terms you like to inaccurately bandy about.


I do suspect the two of you are using the same term to define two different systems.  If you can explain to me the difference between the VA and the military and Socialism, I am all ears. 

 

Real live examples of governments which consider themselves to be Socialist like Norway, Sweden, and Canada are probably the easiest to discuss.  Places which call themselves Socialist like Venezuela and North Korea but are really just poorly run dictatorships are not so easy to discuss.   

 

If you want to discuss the Norwegian model, I think it is an excellent example of good governance.  Cuba, not so much.   The United States would appear to be an excellent example of the limits of capitalism.  

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@Roxanna35 wrote:

That is what I have been reading also. so perhaps posters now have learned a little bit about socialism Communism etc.

What is important to also realize that in the US those terms are used to insult people as one of the posters rightfully said.

Of course, anyone that thinks that any program that involves  either the  government or any other so called Socialist program like the Military and the VA  hospitals they have to be leftists or socialists or communists.
Hopefully those posters now may have learned the differences.


Why are you unable to understand the difference between disagreeing with an ideology (and explaining why) and "insult people".

 

Hopefully you have learned a bit about the meaning of the terms you like to inaccurately bandy about.

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