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Only a Republican can ignore the "socialist" aspect of military service, and only a Republican will deny the possibility the entire society could benefit from similar support services.

Interesting- the entire population in uniform marching down the street together. What is that reference to Germany in the '30s you like so much?? 


 


Quite the jump from an accurate portrayal of the military as socialism in action to putting the entire population in uniform. Although, we have done that in times of war so I guess you have proved the point.  Still, I suspect you have some vision of socialism as it is practiced in North Korea while I am looking at the highly successful economies and societies of places like Canada and Sweden. 
  • Health care
  • Retirement
  • Elderly care
  • Childcare

Labor regulations

 

What about housing, clothing, food? Without that there is one heck of a gap between your child care and your elderly care.

 

I have no idea how much you are into this "the government owns all the money and decides who gets what" nonsense as one of our posters is. But you do talk in ambiguities. Example, labor regulations - that can mean anything from fair hiring practices to determining wages, promotions, etc.

 


 


Love the rant - don't often see a rant in mixed meter like that...

 

 

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

 

Only a Republican can ignore the "socialist" aspect of military service, and only a Republican will deny the possibility the entire society could benefit from similar support services.

Interesting- the entire population in uniform marching down the street together. What is that reference to Germany in the '30s you like so much?? 


 


Quite the jump from an accurate portrayal of the military as socialism in action to putting the entire population in uniform. Although, we have done that in times of war so I guess you have proved the point.  Still, I suspect you have some vision of socialism as it is practiced in North Korea while I am looking at the highly successful economies and societies of places like Canada and Sweden. 
  • Health care
  • Retirement
  • Elderly care
  • Childcare

Labor regulations

 

What about housing, clothing, food? Without that there is one heck of a gap between your child care and your elderly care.

 

I have no idea how much you are into this "the government owns all the money and decides who gets what" nonsense as one of our posters is. But you do talk in ambiguities. Example, labor regulations - that can mean anything from fair hiring practices to determining wages, promotions, etc.

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

 

Only a Republican can ignore the "socialist" aspect of military service, and only a Republican will deny the possibility the entire society could benefit from similar support services.

Interesting- the entire population in uniform marching down the street together. What is that reference to Germany in the '30s you like so much??

 

 


 


Quite the jump from an accurate portrayal of the military as socialism in action to putting the entire population in uniform. Although, we have done that in times of war so I guess you have proved the point.  Still, I suspect you have some vision of socialism as it is practiced in North Korea while I am looking at the highly successful economies and societies of places like Canada and Sweden. 
  • Health care
  • Retirement
  • Elderly care
  • Childcare
  • Labor regulations

 

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VA benefits are earned by service. The military is like any federal agency in that it performs a proper government function (protection of the nation). Neither has any relationship to Socialism.


You will have to take YOUR definition of socialism up with the Canadian and Norwegian governments as it appears to be significantly different from what is practiced in countries with efficient systems.  You seem to have this idea that the government owns everything and provides services from the profits and that is just not socialism as is practiced in those countries.  Communism, yes.  Norwegian socialism, no. 

 

 


You'll have to take your definition up with Karl Marx.

 

Now, any further thoughts on the VA and the military being socialism?


So you never served, did you? The Military is TOTALLY "socialist" by the absurd logic of the GOPer. Everyone contributes according not just to their ABILITY, but to the specific level of ability they have been assigned, and ALL enjoy equal access to things like health care, schools, heavily subsidized food and consumables from toothpaste to cars. The participants don't even get to chose what clothes to wear, but on the other hand, they don't have to pay for those clothes either.

What a thought - can't you just see someone hollering, "Rise soldiers, you have nothing to lose but your shackles" and the troopers kicking out the officers and taking over the base?? 

 

The members of this huge "Commune" can VOTE, but not for the ones directing their daily activities and determining their future careers.

What "directing their daily activities"? They are directing their own activities in your strange little military world.

 

They and their families are encouraged to participate in many highly structured social interactions, from the "Acey-Duecey Clubs" to Wives Clubs and Dependant Youth Activities, craft and auto shops, music and theater programs, bowling leagues - all part of the culture that comes with service. They even have their own "resorts" they can vacation at  for a much reduced cost.

You're kidding - wives have social activities? By golly you must feel right at home there. I wonder if the fact that they live "on base" is the reason they have "on base" bowling alleys.

 

The VA simply extends the socialist medical care service members receive into their retirement.

Yes, a benefit earned by service - not a benefit given based on need.

 

Only a Republican can ignore the "socialist" aspect of military service, and only a Republican will deny the possibility the entire society could benefit from similar support services.

Interesting- the entire population in uniform marching down the street together. What is that reference to Germany in the '30s you like so much??

 

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

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VA benefits are earned by service. The military is like any federal agency in that it performs a proper government function (protection of the nation). Neither has any relationship to Socialism.


You will have to take YOUR definition of socialism up with the Canadian and Norwegian governments as it appears to be significantly different from what is practiced in countries with efficient systems.  You seem to have this idea that the government owns everything and provides services from the profits and that is just not socialism as is practiced in those countries.  Communism, yes.  Norwegian socialism, no. 

 

 


You'll have to take your definition up with Karl Marx.

 

Now, any further thoughts on the VA and the military being socialism?


So you never served, did you? The Military is TOTALLY "socialist" by the absurd logic of the GOPer. Everyone contributes according not just to their ABILITY, but to the specific level of ability they have been assigned, and ALL enjoy equal access to things like health care, schools, heavily subsidized food and consumables from toothpaste to cars. The participants don't even get to chose what clothes to wear, but on the other hand, they don't have to pay for those clothes either.

 

The members of this huge "Commune" can VOTE, but not for the ones directing their daily activities and determining their future careers.

 

They and their families are encouraged to participate in many highly structured social interactions, from the "Acey-Duecey Clubs" to Wives Clubs and Dependant Youth Activities, craft and auto shops, music and theater programs, bowling leagues - all part of the culture that comes with service. They even have their own "resorts" they can vacation at  for a much reduced cost.

 

The VA simply extends the socialist medical care service members receive into their retirement.

 

Only a Republican can ignore the "socialist" aspect of military service, and only a Republican will deny the possibility the entire society could benefit from similar support services.

 

 

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Land grabs and their consequences are the same under communism and socialist democracies.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union

 

"In the early 1930s over 91% of agricultural land became "collectivized" as rural households entered collective farms with their land, livestock, and other assets. The sweeping collectivization often involved tremendous human and social costs. Recent historians have estimated the death toll in the range of six to 13 million."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenzomontanari/2018/03/14/fight-rages-over-land-reform-in-south-afric...

 

"Property rights are in danger in South Africa. A mix of revenge and socialist ideology are behind the expropriation without compensation policy amendments that changed the South Africa Constitution. It has been more than one year when in February 2017, Julius Malema, leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters Party (EFF), proposed a motion that would have amended section 25 of the Constitution of South Africa to allow for expropriation of land without compensation. It was resoundingly defeated, 261-33. However, a year later, and with a new South Africa president Cyril Ramaphosa, the call for expropriation without compensation is gaining steam. With some amendments proposed by the African National Congress (ANC), the motion was approved by a wide margin."

 

I suspect that there will be a similar death toll in South Africa, in which  case, the difference between Socialism and Communism will be moot.  And, in both cases, I have no sympathy for pitchforked peasants with murder in their eyes.  

 

And, I submit that such news about South Africa is intentionally omitted by ABC, NBC, and CBS because it does not fit the liberal narrative, which is in stark contrast to reports of Nelson Mandela's birthday, last Wednesday.

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

VA benefits are earned by service. The military is like any federal agency in that it performs a proper government function (protection of the nation). Neither has any relationship to Socialism.


You will have to take YOUR definition of socialism up with the Canadian and Norwegian governments as it appears to be significantly different from what is practiced in countries with efficient systems.  You seem to have this idea that the government owns everything and provides services from the profits and that is just not socialism as is practiced in those countries.  Communism, yes.  Norwegian socialism, no. 

 

 


You'll have to take your definition up with Karl Marx.

 

Now, any further thoughts on the VA and the military being socialism?


No - putting rational, logical and proven valid thoughts and concepts in front of trump supporters would be like throwing pearls before swine - with similar results...

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

VA benefits are earned by service. The military is like any federal agency in that it performs a proper government function (protection of the nation). Neither has any relationship to Socialism.


You will have to take YOUR definition of socialism up with the Canadian and Norwegian governments as it appears to be significantly different from what is practiced in countries with efficient systems.  You seem to have this idea that the government owns everything and provides services from the profits and that is just not socialism as is practiced in those countries.  Communism, yes.  Norwegian socialism, no. 

 

 


You'll have to take your definition up with Karl Marx.

 

Now, any further thoughts on the VA and the military being socialism?

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Look for a very long time and a few years back we had long discussions on what and what was not Socialism

We discussed amply socialism but now of course, Rk as usual tries to manipulate the definitions to suit his one propaganda, or ideas, and as usual confuse people of whatever he tries to say.

Of course there are countries that are in many ways Socialists Democracies. and some more than not have a mixed type of Government.

But that is something I don't think you will have RK admitting because it will blown his theory among  the Trump Followers, that Americans cannot be progressives in ideas, They have to be either Leftists or socialists. I have to say  that I haven't seen him called them Communists. as of how. I guess I simply will have to wait until the term become more popular.


Forget rk and stick with Marx. You'll have a better chance of making your point - assuming you have one in there somewhere.

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"ALL" companies are government owned and operated in Communist and Socialist countries. There are no "employee" owned companies or collectives.

 

True - the idea of workers taking control and a government-free society was the dream of Marx, but, as history has shown, a naive dream.

 

52,

Your view of what Marx wanted is nonsense. Worker control? Control of what? Government free society? What is that? Please name me one country in the last 1,000 years that had it.


 


 


Seems you were offered a display of confusion between Marxism and fantasy.


Any specific on that or are you just kudo shopping via insult?

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