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Communism is everything owned by the people (through the state). Socialism is where we work together for better efficiencies when appropriate. Much like shopping at Costco. 

 

Communism is an economic theory where Socialism is a governing philosophy. 

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Bernie Sanders stood apart and was POPULAR BECAUSE he is a Democratic socialist. Face it, our generation grew up during the cold war, which did warp all our little brains, and caused the Boomers to loosely associate socialism/communism. The Govt and the media brainwashed us to be that way. People STILL talk about *european socialism* with derision... like 8 weeks vacation, maternal and paternal leave, a 35 to 40 hour work week, and free health care are BAD THINGS. They forget some of these govts were set up under the MARSHALL PLAN..the United States. Japan was set up under McAuthor. these so called socialist ideals mostly came from the US, but capitalism here doesnt let us have those nice things. As far as Stalin and Kim, and Mao, they are totalitarians, along with hitler and mussolini, that had no real relation to the "intents" of communism or socialism.
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So, when anyone says that they don't like socialism, the obvious question should be, you don't like socialism or you don't like Communism which of the two you don't like because they are different.

 

They are not the same,  A lot of people draw that false equivalency.  Some deliberately.  I think I know why...why do you think that is?

 

I truly believe that many Americans are very naive in relation to what these terms really mean. they see no distinction between socialism and Communism LIke you have stated, many do it deliberately but   most Americans really don't know the difference.
Bernie Sanders suffered a lot because of this, by calling himself a Democratic Socialist  many thought  that he was bringing Communism into the US
Being a Socialist in this country is not very wise because of the misinterpretation of the terms. Therefore, I  would suggest that no Democrat uses that terminology until the American  people  have real knowledge of those two terms. And that was the real reason for this thread and my post  so that people that are not sure as to the differences could see and then understand.

 

 

 

 

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Socialism  Definition.
Socialism is an economic system where everyone in the society equally owns the factors of production. The ownership is acquired through a democratically elected government. It could also be a cooperative or a public corporation where everyone owns shares. The four factors of production are labor, entrepreneurship, capital goods, and natural resources

 

Communism Definition.

Economic and social system in which all (or nearly all) property and resources are collectively owned by a classless society and not by individual citizens. Based on the 1848 publication 'Communist Manifesto' by two German political philosophers, Karl Marx (1818-1883) and his close associate Friedrich Engels (1820-1895), it envisaged common ownership of all land and capital and withering away of the coercive power of the state. In such a society, social relations were to be regulated on the fairest of all principles: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Differences between manual and intellectual labor and between rural and urban life were to disappear, opening up the way for unlimited development of human potential.

 

Hoping that the differences are quite clear. You can have communism in Cuba and is somewhat difference than the one that you have in Russia. 

 

First things first.  I am defending neither of the two social and economic philosophies. Your definitions are appreciated.  I must point out that once a word is defined and the definition accepted for use, ALL elements within it must apply OR what you thought you saw is not what you get. 

 

So...neither Socialism or Communism, as defined, is what happened in Cuba and the old Soviet Union, erroneously called Russia.  Both were authoritarian states not rooted in democracy, More similar to dictatorships.

 
although there are a lot of similarities.  like no free press, no dissenting of any kind. not real elections, although now both countries do recognize private property and ownership of business.

 

Sorry...close, but not quite accurate nor an accurate accounting of the evolution that is still in progress in both countries.  Neither are Socialist or Communist by definition. IF the changes so far are any indication, neither ever will be.


You can have a more orthodox Communism or Dictatorship in North Korea.
But Socialism is another completely and different  economic and political system than Communism

 

North Korea is an authoritarian dictatorship.  Always has been.  

 

As the definition states, Socialism can exist in a Democratic Society. like in the US for example in which there are many companies that are employee owned and other countries like in Finland or Norway in which socialism is more prevalent in their societies although they are both also Democracies.

 

Closer.

 

So, when anyone says that they don't like socialism, the obvious question should be, you don't like socialism or you don't like Communism which of the two you don't like because they are different.

 

They are not the same,  A lot of people draw that false equivalency.  Some deliberately.  I think I know why...why do you think that is?

 

You can also say I don't like either. that is also your right .

Well...as you say...that much is a right.  To lie about any of that is not.  Whatever the reason.

 


 

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Socialism  Definition.
Socialism is an economic system where everyone in the society equally owns the factors of production. The ownership is acquired through a democratically elected government. It could also be a cooperative or a public corporation where everyone owns shares. The four factors of production are labor, entrepreneurship, capital goods, and natural resources

 

Communism Definition.

Economic and social system in which all (or nearly all) property and resources are collectively owned by a classless society and not by individual citizens. Based on the 1848 publication 'Communist Manifesto' by two German political philosophers, Karl Marx (1818-1883) and his close associate Friedrich Engels (1820-1895), it envisaged common ownership of all land and capital and withering away of the coercive power of the state. In such a society, social relations were to be regulated on the fairest of all principles: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Differences between manual and intellectual labor and between rural and urban life were to disappear, opening up the way for unlimited development of human potential.

 

Hoping that the differences are quite clear. You can have communism in Cuba and is somewhat difference than the one that you have in Russia. 
although there are a lot of similarities.  like no free press, no dissenting of any kind. not real elections, although now both countries do recognize private property and ownership of business.
You can have a more orthodox Communism or Dictatorship in North Korea.
But Socialism is another completely and different  economic and political system than Communism

As the definition states, Socialism can exist in a Democratic Society. like in the US for example in which there are many companies that are employee owned and other countries like in Finland or Norway in which socialism is more prevalent in their societies although they are both also Democracies.

So, when anyone says that they don't like socialism, the obvious question should be, you don't like socialism or you don't like Communism which of the two you don't like because they are different.
You can also say I don't like either. that is also your right .

 

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