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Truly amazing how quickly the GOPers line up behind the latest GOPerLord edicts - this time it's a major emphasis on DENIAL of just about everything they've ever said or done. Obviously this new edict comes straight fromt the tweet of the Twit.

 

Want to know why Republicans oppose just about everything that will make things better for the 99%? It's those pesky "10 Planks" from Marx they somehow think are turning us all bright Commie Red. To recap, those planks, and the GOPers application of them to current American life are:

 

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

GOPers say this is why we must eliminate "eminent domain" and make property ownership take presidence over the public good - otherwise its Commie

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

This is why GOPers stopped taxing the Uberrich in 1985 - gratuated income tax is Commie

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

This is why GOPers and Der Trumper want to abolish the anti-aristocracy tax and establish heriditary domination of commerace and finance - to do otherwise is Commie

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Not sure about this one - sounds like Der Trumper's position, so perhaps its okay with GOPers

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

GOPers did this with Too Big To Fail or Jail, but of course they gave the control to the Banksters

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

This is how GOPers justify turning internet access over to the corporations - otherwise its Commie, same reason they want to privatize the InterState highway system

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

GOPers want to privatize national parks to prevent this one

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

This is why GOPers are passing laws to destroy Unions

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

Believe it or not, GOPers think this is why they must oppose zoning regulations

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

And of course this is why they keep trying to destroy public education - the nits thinks its Commie.

 

I'm not even going to address the absurd claim no Republican has said the USSR was Communist, other than to point out that is how far GOPers will go to deny their actions.

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

Here's those "10 Planks" that RWNJs think are part of the Progressive Agenda

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

GOPers say this is why we must eliminate "eminent domain" and make property ownership take presidence over the public good - otherwise its Commie

I've heard that some think all money belongs to the government no matter who earns it. the earner only gets to spend his money after the government has distributed it. Are you arguing for plank 1?

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

This is why GOPers stopped taxing the Uberrich in 1985 - gratuated income tax is Commie

Sounds like "wealth redistribution" along with hate the successful. Where have I heard that here? Are you arguing for plank 2?

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

this is why GOPers and Der Trumper want to abolish the anti-aristocracy tax and establish heriditary domination of commerace and finance - to do otherwise is Commie

Sounds like someone (non-Republican) approves of reducing inheritance rights. Are you arguing for plank 3?

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Not sure about this one - sounds like Der Trumper's position, so perhaps its okay with GOPers

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

GOPers did this with Too Big To Fail or Jail, but of course they gave the control to the Banksters

Solyndra - QE

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

This is how GOPers justify turning internet access over to the corporations - otherwise its Commie

What is wrong with private corporations operating the products they create and maintain. Are you arguing for plank 6?

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

GOPers want to privatize national parks to prevent this one

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

this is why GOPers are passing laws to destroy Unions

I have heard of no call to destroy unions. I have heard of efforts to make the worker free to join or not. Sounds like "freedom" to me. Without RTW we have a situation where the unions own the workers and are part of a package with the Democratic Party. Give the government a little more control over the economy and you have Fascism.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

Believe it or not, GOPers think this is why they must oppose zoning regulations

I have never heard any Republican make that case. Can you back that up??

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

And of course this is why they keep trying to destroy public education - the nits thinks its Commie.

I have heard of no efforts to destroy public education. You may be referring to efforts to free education from the control of the unions so as to improve it.


 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

The biggest lie Republicans constantly tell is that somehow programs that benefit all the people must be bad simply because Marx (or someone else calling themself a Communist) talked about them.

 

The second biggest lie is that the former Soviet Union was an example of Communism. The fact is the USSR never got beyond "The Dictatorship of the Prolateriate", a intermediate step Marx and Engles thought would lead to a Communist society where the "State would wither away", just as GOPers want to happen.

 

The REALITY is that REPUBLICANS are pitching true Communism - they want the State (Government) to "wither away", or in the words of one prominent cryptoCommie, "be small enough we could drown it in the bathtub."

 

Do read Marx, and note that those "planks" Regressives love to talk about are to be achieved AFTER the Dictatorship of the Prolatariate has created The Soviet Man, a state of moral perfection that needs no direction from above to always "do the right thing" - just like Republicans want America to become  totally devoid of Government regulation so their ideal Capitalist Man can be left to do whatever he pleases.


Any chance you can be specific as to the "planks" the - I assume you mean - Republicans share with Marxism. That sounds about as logical as the oft heard "Fascist" claims.

 

I have never seen anyone claim the USSR was "Communist" based on Marx's definition or even Lenin's definition. Can you be more specific?

 

I think it would be a mistake to confuse the man whose morality causes him to do the right with the product of a "reeducation camp" even if it is on a national basis.

 

And, finally, once again specifics are needed - who has proposed an America totally devoid of government regulation? The Republicans simply want to move away from Fascist economics and control of the population concepts of the Progressive movement.

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Here's those "10 Planks" that RWNJs think are part of the Progressive Agenda

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

GOPers say this is why we must eliminate "eminent domain" and make property ownership take presidence over the public good - otherwise its Commie

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

This is why GOPers stopped taxing the Uberrich in 1985 - gratuated income tax is Commie

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

this is why GOPers and Der Trumper want to abolish the anti-aristocracy tax and establish heriditary domination of commerace and finance - to do otherwise is Commie

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Not sure about this one - sounds like Der Trumper's position, so perhaps its okay with GOPers

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

GOPers did this with Too Big To Fail or Jail, but of course they gave the control to the Banksters

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

This is how GOPers justify turning internet access over to the corporations - otherwise its Commie

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

GOPers want to privatize national parks to prevent this one

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

this is why GOPers are passing laws to destroy Unions

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

Believe it or not, GOPers think this is why they must oppose zoning regulations

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

And of course this is why they keep trying to destroy public education - the nits thinks its Commie.

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It's sooo sad (yep, a tRUMP favorite word) how Republicans and conservatives believe #45, revel in their cognitive dissonance, and pretend very very hard that they're correct...

 

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The biggest lie Republicans constantly tell is that somehow programs that benefit all the people must be bad simply because Marx (or someone else calling themself a Communist) talked about them.

 

The second biggest lie is that the former Soviet Union was an example of Communism. The fact is the USSR never got beyond "The Dictatorship of the Prolateriate", a intermediate step Marx and Engles thought would lead to a Communist society where the "State would wither away", just as GOPers want to happen.

 

The REALITY is that REPUBLICANS are pitching true Communism - they want the State (Government) to "wither away", or in the words of one prominent cryptoCommie, "be small enough we could drown it in the bathtub."

 

Do read Marx, and note that those "planks" Regressives love to talk about are to be achieved AFTER the Dictatorship of the Prolatariate has created The Soviet Man, a state of moral perfection that needs no direction from above to always "do the right thing" - just like Republicans want America to become  totally devoid of Government regulation so their ideal Capitalist Man can be left to do whatever he pleases.

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

The Right has never shown any specific thing that Obama or the Democrats did or any legislation that was passed that could be termed as being Marxist or neo-Marxist. I don't expect that The Right will ever be able or willing to show anything that is.

 

Our present nut case president is leading us down a path of idiocy, lies and anarchy. His accusations about wire taps is beyond ridiculous and he may end up paying a dear price for it.

 

The Trump Thingy simply isn't working out well at all. He is becoming an ebarrassment to those with good sense that supported him.


Of course proof has been offered. A reading of the Marx 10 planks shows a lot of the thinking of the Progressives.

 

Remember, Marx didn't say, "Let's take over the country, kill millions and build gulags". His philosophy was thought by him to for the betterment of mankind. His intentions were honorable as are the intentions of the thinking Progressives. However, now as then - it's simply impractical.


Those of us who have done well in our careers, our investments, and our political lives though our own efforts tend to be Liberal and Progressive.  We appreciate the benefits a free and open economy have provided along with the public schooling and level playing fields that government and unions helped provide.  I find most people who call Liberals Marxists tend not to understand either one.  They tend to assume that Liberal/Progressive = Marxist and then stop inquiring.  Another example of Alternate Facts. 


Let's not mix Liberals and Progressives. The last prominent Liberal was Hubert Humphrey, the Progressives took over the Democratic Party.

 

Again, check out Marx's planks and you'll see what I mean. Interestingly, the Liberals started as great believers in freedom and individuality. Then the morphing to dependency created a major change in direction more in keeping with Progressivism.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

The Right has never shown any specific thing that Obama or the Democrats did or any legislation that was passed that could be termed as being Marxist or neo-Marxist. I don't expect that The Right will ever be able or willing to show anything that is.

 

Our present nut case president is leading us down a path of idiocy, lies and anarchy. His accusations about wire taps is beyond ridiculous and he may end up paying a dear price for it.

 

The Trump Thingy simply isn't working out well at all. He is becoming an ebarrassment to those with good sense that supported him.


Of course proof has been offered. A reading of the Marx 10 planks shows a lot of the thinking of the Progressives.

 

Remember, Marx didn't say, "Let's take over the country, kill millions and build gulags". His philosophy was thought by him to for the betterment of mankind. His intentions were honorable as are the intentions of the thinking Progressives. However, now as then - it's simply impractical.


Gee - if only #45 weren't nuttier than a fruitcake - and an immature unstable pathological liar with profound personality issues that will end up being his eventual undoing...

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

The Right has never shown any specific thing that Obama or the Democrats did or any legislation that was passed that could be termed as being Marxist or neo-Marxist. I don't expect that The Right will ever be able or willing to show anything that is.

 

Our present nut case president is leading us down a path of idiocy, lies and anarchy. His accusations about wire taps is beyond ridiculous and he may end up paying a dear price for it.

 

The Trump Thingy simply isn't working out well at all. He is becoming an ebarrassment to those with good sense that supported him.


Of course proof has been offered. A reading of the Marx 10 planks shows a lot of the thinking of the Progressives.

 

Remember, Marx didn't say, "Let's take over the country, kill millions and build gulags". His philosophy was thought by him to for the betterment of mankind. His intentions were honorable as are the intentions of the thinking Progressives. However, now as then - it's simply impractical.


Those of us who have done well in our careers, our investments, and our political lives though our own efforts tend to be Liberal and Progressive.  We appreciate the benefits a free and open economy have provided along with the public schooling and level playing fields that government and unions helped provide.  I find most people who call Liberals Marxists tend not to understand either one.  They tend to assume that Liberal/Progressive = Marxist and then stop inquiring.  Another example of Alternate Facts. 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

The Right has never shown any specific thing that Obama or the Democrats did or any legislation that was passed that could be termed as being Marxist or neo-Marxist. I don't expect that The Right will ever be able or willing to show anything that is.

 

Our present nut case president is leading us down a path of idiocy, lies and anarchy. His accusations about wire taps is beyond ridiculous and he may end up paying a dear price for it.

 

The Trump Thingy simply isn't working out well at all. He is becoming an ebarrassment to those with good sense that supported him.


Of course proof has been offered. A reading of the Marx 10 planks shows a lot of the thinking of the Progressives.

 

Remember, Marx didn't say, "Let's take over the country, kill millions and build gulags". His philosophy was thought by him to for the betterment of mankind. His intentions were honorable as are the intentions of the thinking Progressives. However, now as then - it's simply impractical.

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