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Isn't it ironic that the points on the top of the individual bars or "slats" look like the pointed hats that the KKK wears? Very befitting.


Someone beat you to that pettiness.

 

Any thoughts on this thing being a potential compromise between a wall and a fence?


Of course, it's stupid too.


O.K. - the wall is stupid and the spike doo-dad is stupid. How about the fence?


Excuse me - Mr - BUT THE CAMPAIGN PROMISES

 

Don't Democratic Votes Count in your World?

 

BREAKING NEWS - The Democrats Won over 40 Seats back in the US House Giving Them the Majority

 

Federal Funding per the US Constitution Originates in the US House

 

Federal Budgets are supposed to Address the Most Pressing Needs of the Entire US Population

 

Not the EGO of a Single Individual - regardless of whether or not it's the US President

 

MORE BREAKING NEWS - US Voters Determined Democrats Should Control Budgeting

 

VERY Imporant -

US Voters Determined Democrats Should Control Budgeting - knowing when they Voted the money for a Trump Memorial Wall had not been allocated - the Voters obviously Do Not Care About a Wall

 

CONCLUSION - Forget About a Wall - The Voters Have Spoken BASED on the CAMPAIGN PROMISES OF DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES

 

None of then Promised a Wall

 

 “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
— U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7

 

Source - https://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

 

 

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Isn't it ironic that the points on the top of the individual bars or "slats" look like the pointed hats that the KKK wears? Very befitting.


Someone beat you to that pettiness.

 

Any thoughts on this thing being a potential compromise between a wall and a fence?


Of course, it's stupid too.


O.K. - the wall is stupid and the spike doo-dad is stupid. How about the fence?

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Isn't it ironic that the points on the top of the individual bars or "slats" look like the pointed hats that the KKK wears? Very befitting.


Someone beat you to that pettiness.

 

Any thoughts on this thing being a potential compromise between a wall and a fence?


Of course, it's stupid too.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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Based on Trump’s detailed diagram of his slat wall, here is some advanced mathematics

 

For probably the first time in American history, part of the government is shut down for lack of funding because of a dispute over a construction project.

 

President Trump, as you may have heard, promised during the 2016 presidential campaign that he would solve most of America’s immigration problems and many of its other issues by building a wall on the border between the United States and Mexico. This wall was going to be paid for by Mexico, he claimed, an assertion that was never believable. More believable: that the wall was going to be made of concrete slabs, a point he made in some detail on the trail.

 

“Concrete plank,” he said at a rally in August 2016. “Precast. Precast, right? Boom. Bing. Done. Keep going.”

 

There was a problem, though, that also crept into his rhetoric. Trump warned drug dealers, stymied by the wall, would simply throw bags of drugs over the top of it, potentially killing anyone walking on the other side. (We talked to experts; Such a throw would be a remarkable feat.) So, he said, the wall needed windows or, somehow, to be transparent.

 

Which brings us to Trump’s tweets about the barrier as the government was grinding to a halt. No longer would the wall be concrete planks, he said, but instead “artistically designed steel slats.” In case that phrase was insufficiently evocative, he tweeted on Friday an image of what he was talking about.

 

What are the dimensions of the barrier?

 

We start with the car.

 

Images of Customs and Border Protection vehicles show they are mostly midsize Ford SUVs. So let’s compare the truck in the image to the latest model of Ford Explorer, images of which can be seen at Ford’s website.

 

When we clip a photo of the Explorer from the website and drop it into the image, something’s off. It’s far longer than the vehicle in Trump’s diagram.

 

Why? Are we using the wrong model of SUV?

 

No. The problem is that Trump’s car has been scaled incorrectly. Notice that the wheels are more ovals than circles, a shape that works poorly for driving.

 

Let’s do some math.

 

The fence is a little taller than five stacked SUVs — or, if we consider the spikes to be separate from the fence, the fence is a bit shorter than the five cars. The SUV spans 10 full slat-gap combinations, covering nearly another full slat at the end. (Note what’s covered by the yellow bar

 

Now, it’s just simple algebra. The slats are slightly wider than the gaps in the image — meaning that they are in real-life, too. By our calculations:

  • The slats are about 10 inches wide.
  • The gaps are nine inches.
  • The fence is 341 inches tall — or about 28.4 feet — with 13-inch spikes on top.

(Those figures have all been rounded, we’ll note. The calculations below use the numbers that were not rounded.)

 

How much barrier is needed?

 

The combined width of the slats and gaps is just over 19 inches. How many slats would, therefore, be needed?

 

Well, the border is about 1,954 miles long. About 580 miles already have fence of some type. Let’s assume that all the rest, regardless of terrain, is getting our slat barrier.

 

We have 1,374 miles to cover, but that excludes ports of entry. There are 48 ports of entry on the border now. The largest is at San Ysidro, near San Diego.

 

We can use the entry to estimate a maximum size of the gap we need to leave in the wall. According to Google Earth, it’s about 0.15 miles wide.

 

That means that about 7.2 miles of the border belong to ports of entry, which leaves 1,366.8 miles.

 

The result? We need about 4.6 million steel slats to cover that ground. At a height of 28.4 feet and a presumed thickness of one inch, each slat requires a bit less than 2 cubic feet of steel.

 

For all of the slats, we’d need about 9 million cubic feet of steel.

 

As CNBC notes, that steel is a lot pricier than it was a year ago, thanks to the tariffs Trump imposed on foreign steel. At the beginning of 2018, this barrier would have cost 25 percent less.

 

Update: A civil engineer wrote in to note that, at current prices of $160 per cubic foot, the steel alone would cost about $1.5 billion -- excluding steel that would need to be used to extend the slats into the ground. She also noted that a 1-inch-thick wall wouldn’t be terribly sturdy.

 

Would this even be effective?

 

This is really the crux of the question, isn’t it? Is a barrier this long at these dimensions actually something that would work to keep out people and illegal drugs?

 

It clearly wouldn’t do much about the latter. Most drugs that cross that border illegally already come through ports of entry, smuggled in vehicles or on people crossing legally. What’s more, a barrier with nine-inch gaps seems like it might allow for pretty easy transfer of bulky packages, without having to throw them 28 feet in the air to clear the wall.

 

What’s more, an nine-inch gap wouldn’t necessarily keep people out. In 2010, a prisoner in a jail in Tennessee escaped his cell by covering himself with grease and squeezing between bars set 4.5 inches apart. He would have found the steel slats — with gaps between that are twice that size — practically roomy.

 

In China, people who pass through a gap of 5.9 inches at a restaurant eat for free. Pass through a gap of seven inches and you get five beers on the house. Get through a gap that’s only slightly wider than Trump’s wall, 9.8 inches, and you only get one beer.

 

 

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall First.png

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall First 1.png

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall.png

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall First 2.png

 

 

Source - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/23/based-trumps-detailed-diagram-his-slat-wall-we-di...

 

 


Colorful -  and meaningless, as always. let's simplify - the Dems voted for a fence, Trump want a wall - would this spiked doo-dad not be a great compromise??


Isn't it ironic that the points on the top of the individual bars or "slats" look like the pointed hats that the KKK wears? Very befitting.


Someone beat you to that pettiness.

 

Any thoughts on this thing being a potential compromise between a wall and a fence?

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Trump seems to have picked the most expensive design possible. Especially considering the increased cost of steel to U.S. consumers because of his tariff war.  


What structural barrier would you prefer?


4,000 rolls of those "Police line. Do not Cross" yellow tape rolls would be as effective and much cheaper. 


Interesting. I wonder why the Dems didn't think of that when they were supporting a fence.

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@mickstuder wrote:

Based on Trump’s detailed diagram of his slat wall, here is some advanced mathematics

 

For probably the first time in American history, part of the government is shut down for lack of funding because of a dispute over a construction project.

 

President Trump, as you may have heard, promised during the 2016 presidential campaign that he would solve most of America’s immigration problems and many of its other issues by building a wall on the border between the United States and Mexico. This wall was going to be paid for by Mexico, he claimed, an assertion that was never believable. More believable: that the wall was going to be made of concrete slabs, a point he made in some detail on the trail.

 

“Concrete plank,” he said at a rally in August 2016. “Precast. Precast, right? Boom. Bing. Done. Keep going.”

 

There was a problem, though, that also crept into his rhetoric. Trump warned drug dealers, stymied by the wall, would simply throw bags of drugs over the top of it, potentially killing anyone walking on the other side. (We talked to experts; Such a throw would be a remarkable feat.) So, he said, the wall needed windows or, somehow, to be transparent.

 

Which brings us to Trump’s tweets about the barrier as the government was grinding to a halt. No longer would the wall be concrete planks, he said, but instead “artistically designed steel slats.” In case that phrase was insufficiently evocative, he tweeted on Friday an image of what he was talking about.

 

What are the dimensions of the barrier?

 

We start with the car.

 

Images of Customs and Border Protection vehicles show they are mostly midsize Ford SUVs. So let’s compare the truck in the image to the latest model of Ford Explorer, images of which can be seen at Ford’s website.

 

When we clip a photo of the Explorer from the website and drop it into the image, something’s off. It’s far longer than the vehicle in Trump’s diagram.

 

Why? Are we using the wrong model of SUV?

 

No. The problem is that Trump’s car has been scaled incorrectly. Notice that the wheels are more ovals than circles, a shape that works poorly for driving.

 

Let’s do some math.

 

The fence is a little taller than five stacked SUVs — or, if we consider the spikes to be separate from the fence, the fence is a bit shorter than the five cars. The SUV spans 10 full slat-gap combinations, covering nearly another full slat at the end. (Note what’s covered by the yellow bar

 

Now, it’s just simple algebra. The slats are slightly wider than the gaps in the image — meaning that they are in real-life, too. By our calculations:

  • The slats are about 10 inches wide.
  • The gaps are nine inches.
  • The fence is 341 inches tall — or about 28.4 feet — with 13-inch spikes on top.

(Those figures have all been rounded, we’ll note. The calculations below use the numbers that were not rounded.)

 

How much barrier is needed?

 

The combined width of the slats and gaps is just over 19 inches. How many slats would, therefore, be needed?

 

Well, the border is about 1,954 miles long. About 580 miles already have fence of some type. Let’s assume that all the rest, regardless of terrain, is getting our slat barrier.

 

We have 1,374 miles to cover, but that excludes ports of entry. There are 48 ports of entry on the border now. The largest is at San Ysidro, near San Diego.

 

We can use the entry to estimate a maximum size of the gap we need to leave in the wall. According to Google Earth, it’s about 0.15 miles wide.

 

That means that about 7.2 miles of the border belong to ports of entry, which leaves 1,366.8 miles.

 

The result? We need about 4.6 million steel slats to cover that ground. At a height of 28.4 feet and a presumed thickness of one inch, each slat requires a bit less than 2 cubic feet of steel.

 

For all of the slats, we’d need about 9 million cubic feet of steel.

 

As CNBC notes, that steel is a lot pricier than it was a year ago, thanks to the tariffs Trump imposed on foreign steel. At the beginning of 2018, this barrier would have cost 25 percent less.

 

Update: A civil engineer wrote in to note that, at current prices of $160 per cubic foot, the steel alone would cost about $1.5 billion -- excluding steel that would need to be used to extend the slats into the ground. She also noted that a 1-inch-thick wall wouldn’t be terribly sturdy.

 

Would this even be effective?

 

This is really the crux of the question, isn’t it? Is a barrier this long at these dimensions actually something that would work to keep out people and illegal drugs?

 

It clearly wouldn’t do much about the latter. Most drugs that cross that border illegally already come through ports of entry, smuggled in vehicles or on people crossing legally. What’s more, a barrier with nine-inch gaps seems like it might allow for pretty easy transfer of bulky packages, without having to throw them 28 feet in the air to clear the wall.

 

What’s more, an nine-inch gap wouldn’t necessarily keep people out. In 2010, a prisoner in a jail in Tennessee escaped his cell by covering himself with grease and squeezing between bars set 4.5 inches apart. He would have found the steel slats — with gaps between that are twice that size — practically roomy.

 

In China, people who pass through a gap of 5.9 inches at a restaurant eat for free. Pass through a gap of seven inches and you get five beers on the house. Get through a gap that’s only slightly wider than Trump’s wall, 9.8 inches, and you only get one beer.

 

 

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall First.png

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall First 1.png

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall.png

 

Trumps Math on the Border Wall First 2.png

 

 

Source - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/23/based-trumps-detailed-diagram-his-slat-wall-we-di...

 

 


Colorful -  and meaningless, as always. let's simplify - the Dems voted for a fence, Trump want a wall - would this spiked doo-dad not be a great compromise??


Isn't it ironic that the points on the top of the individual bars or "slats" look like the pointed hats that the KKK wears? Very befitting.


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@Richva wrote:

Trump seems to have picked the most expensive design possible. Especially considering the increased cost of steel to U.S. consumers because of his tariff war.  


What structural barrier would you prefer?


4,000 rolls of those "Police line. Do not Cross" yellow tape rolls would be as effective and much cheaper. 

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Trump seems to have picked the most expensive design possible. Especially considering the increased cost of steel to U.S. consumers because of his tariff war.  


What structural barrier would you prefer?

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