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One more time for all the 'newbies' out there.  It's only the start. 

 

This crew is on a mission to destroy any government that does not directly serve them.  This crew will put in place a government that reinforces their position of power...if they can.  This crew considers ethical behavior is a weakness...unless it serves their agenda..  This crew intends to destroy or stifle any and all oppositon wherever it happens to be.  If that sounds like authoritarianism and an autocracy in progress to you.....you got it right.

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   Start at the bottom:     If anyone lives in the State of Florida,  Georgia,  Kentucky or Mississippi, contact your local representative, write LTE explaining what this will do in your community.    If / when any of the Committees actually green light this nonsense, then we should step up the complaints, but this may be a bit of gas-lighting as the person who wrote it is a newby, and trying to be a bit of a rooster aka Look at Me "person" - albeit without much of a moral compass or compassion.

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ChasKy53:  They want to protect their profits and making their industries cleaner and producing less pollution costs dollars that would come out of those profits. Profits over the welfare of the public. Too bad the $$Billions$$ that are lobbied aren't spent on technology to reduce pollution.

 

That's the truth. Republicans don't seem to care about government spending when it's in service to their donors, but cover your ears from the howling when it comes to spending on citizerns who need any help. Some priorities, eh?

 

 

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@Panjandrum wrote:

mandm84:  President Trump has stated he cares about the environment , but will he stand behind his words ?

 

They all say that, but their actions speak louder than words. Those actions make it clear that what they really care about is costs to businesses and not so much about the billions the public has to spend on cleaning up pollution and the healthcare problems caused by the pollution.


Yep ............. the oil, gas, and coal industry lobby $$Billions$$. They want to protect their profits and making their industries cleaner and producing less pollution costs dollars that would come out of those profits. Profits over the welfare of the public. Too bad the $$Billions$$ that are lobbied aren't spent on technology to reduce pollution.


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@retiredtraveler wrote:

 

   Take responsibility for your actions --- don't offload everything as the feds fault and the feds mission to fix it.


Pardon me, but I do take responsibility for my own actions.  We recycle, we do most everything we can as individuals. Individuals can only do so much and I agree that we all should do what we can. 

 

But .......... to say that the Feds, Big Corporations, and the EPA are not responsible for the bulk of pollution is ridiculous. The Fed could do much more to reduce pollution. Strengthening the EPA would be a good step in that direction. Our lawmakers being exposed to $$Billions$$ in lobbying and in our elections by Big Corporate America hinders them from addressing those big corporations polluting our environment.

 

Like I said, Trump signing an EO to allow the coal industry to dump their sludge into our waterways is wrong, and that 'sludge' does contain solvents. The massive oil leaks certainly aren't something that I, as an individual can have any control over. Stronger regulations by the EPA, a stronger EPA,  along with much stiffer penalties, would go a long way in reducing pollution.


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Sorry to hear of your problem and couldn't agree more that the EPA is vital (whether we like it or not). People need to more thought into what would likely happen without it.

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mandm84:  President Trump has stated he cares about the environment , but will he stand behind his words ?

 

They all say that, but their actions speak louder than words. Those actions make it clear that what they really care about is costs to businesses and not so much about the billions the public has to spend on cleaning up pollution and the healthcare problems caused by the pollution.

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retiredtraveler:  And once again, it's your fellow Americans doing this and the EPA can do little. EPA is an immense cost, and has very little effect.

 

 

 

Really? That is a contradiction of the facts.

 

 

The economic, technological, and health benefits of environmental regulation greatly outweigh the costs. The costs of environmental regulation do not significantly change overall productivity, or GDP. A rule of thumb for comparing the two says “a 10% change in the oil price is associated with a 0.2% change in GDP” [5]. If green taxes, which are taxes on services or products that are not environmentally friendly, increase oil prices by only a few cents, then the impact on GDP would be minimal. The desire to comply with green rules and avoid paying green taxes would also encourage businesses to invest in innovations and efficiencies in green technology more than they would have otherwise, helping economies shift towards greener practices. Most importantly, environmental regulation saves the economy billions by preventing the negative health effects associated with pollution. Air and water pollution cause many illnesses, such as respiratory diseases, cancers, heart attacks, infections, poisonings, etc., that require billions in health care costs each year to treat. The estimated health benefits from the Clean Air Act are “two orders of magnitude greater than the employment costs of the policy” [6]. In monetary terms, the EPA has produced as much as $640 billion in benefits and only $45 billion in costs on the economy over the last decade [4]. However, monetary benefit cannot compare to health benefits: healthier and more productive citizens who are living longer. These citizens can go to work and contribute to society instead of receiving treatment for preventable illnesses caused by pollution. As for the environment as a whole, fewer species will go extinct from climate change and there would be fewer natural disasters, which also costs billions of dollars to clean up.

 

The United States has made great strides towards being more environmentally friendly, so it would be devastating if Trump were to repeal environmental regulation or eliminate the EPA. Continuing to emit similar, or greater amounts, of pollution for the next four years would mean foggier skies, air that would be harder to breathe, increased human illnesses, contaminated water and food, and extinction of more and more species. Trump might not believe in climate change, but he is a businessman who would capitalize on a plan that saves or earns money. If science can’t convince him to support environmental regulation, then maybe economic gain will.

https://publicpolicy.wharton.upenn.edu/live/news/1545-why-environmental-regulation-is-good-for-the

 

 

 

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My thoughts and prayers are with you Chas. So many are so bamboozled and isn't China's pollution a lesson to be learned. President Trump has stated he cares about the environment , but will he stand behind his words ?

 

I'm blessed to live in a state where our Gov't cares about our environment and would not allow damaging practices such as Hydrofracking. I pray for the same wisdom in our Red states.

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...I have a blood cancer that is caused by pollution. Solvents, like gasoline and oil, being leaked into our environment, and solvents in products such as weed killers and defoliants are what caused my cancer....".

 

And once again, it's your fellow Americans doing this and the EPA can do little. EPA is an immense cost, and has very little effect.

   I assume you do not fertilize your lawn, or use any kind of chemicals whatsoever on it.I assume you don't use any cleaners in your house besides bleach and vinegar.

 

"...Approximately 60% of Americans change their own oil. Due to the lack of convenient collection facilities, these do-it-yourselfers simply dump the used motor oil into the environment. Over 200 million gallons of oil, or the equivalent of five oil tankers the size of the Exxon Valdez spilling their entire load, is tossed in the garbage or poured down the sewer every year....".

---- We throw away more than 60 million plastic bottles a day.

---- If more people became environmental shoppers, the amount of trash could be reduced by as much as 45 percent.

  • Americans toss out enough paper & plastic cups, forks and spoons every year to circle the equator 300 times.
  • The average American office worker goes through around 500 disposable cups every year.
  • That styrofoam cup that you drank your coffee out of this morning will still be in the landfill 500 years from now.
  • Every day American families produce an estimated 4 million pounds of household hazardous waste (nail polish, paint thinner, batteries, etc.).....".

"....Anyone who supports weakening the EPA or eliminating it is supporting higher rates of environmental cancers and other illnesses for our children and grandchildren...".

 

No, everyone who doesn't use reusable bags when shopping, doesn't recycle, uses household chemicals, throws away plastic bottles, uses chemicals on their lawn, drives a vehicle much larger than needed, doesn't pay attention to their thermostats, and a 100 other things is the issue. Once again, the feds cannot solve these issues. It's up to every individual and that ain't happening.

   Take responsibility for your actions --- don't offload everything as the feds fault and the feds mission to fix it.


"...Why is everyone a victim? Take personal responsibility for your life..."
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