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mick--Thank you for your post.  Russian interference came up this morning in a townhall meeting.  What a coincidence that 6,000 e-mails damaging to Le Pen's opponent were released so close to France's election.  How can this be denied?  The Russian government keeps supporting the same candidate--the names and faces of said candidates are the only things that change.

Little children hide their heads and hide from the things that scare them or that they don't want to be true.  It's time we all faced the truth about what the Russians have and are doing. 

THESE MEDDLINGS ARE NOT FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRIES IN WHOSE ELECTIONS THEY ARE INFLUENCING.  THIS IS ALL FOR THE GOOD OF PUTIN AND HIS MURDEROUS, VILE REGIME.

Gee, I miss having a real President!!
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This just validates my posting in another topic saying that Putin and the Russians were not only involved in our elections but were trying to influence ours and other elections in countries in Europe and elsewhere. This is almost a global effort with them.They want Right Wingers in office everywhere they can. I guess that's why the Right Wing has no complaints about it? Thank goodness some Washington Republicans don't look at it that way.


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 A friend of mine said one theory is that Putin never thought that Trump would win.  Instead, he thought the hacks would be used to delegitimize the new (Clinton) administration.   These leaks in France came out too late (because of their media ban) to really influence the election.   Maybe it's the same thing.   To create chaos for the new Macron administration....

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The French are funny. and I have an idea that they are not going to buy the fake news that they are hearing now. There is a blackout of news until after the elections. good idea. we should do something like that here.

I think that they will vote for the guy, I feel that they have gotten concerned with what has happened in the US  and Trump.


You may be right.  I hope that the French People do not become unduly confident of the outcome and NOT vote.  That is one reason advanced for BREXIT...and we know for certain it is one reason for "the donald".  This AM I heard a discussion about whether or not the US should implement a blackout in OUR elections.  The consensus was that it would not work here.  I concur.  We could re-establish an 'equal-time', 'equal coverage' requirement on the media, top to bottom.  While it wouldn't stop the BS....I really do think it would minimize it.

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The French are funny. and I have an idea that they are not going to buy the fake news that they are hearing now. There is a blackout of news until after the elections. good idea. we should do something like that here.

I think that they will vote for the guy, I feel that they have gotten concerned with what has happened in the US  and Trump.

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Tsar Vlad the Stumpy and Der Trumper agree - NATO is obsolete and should be abandoned. So the Trumpettes will just yawn, order another round of Freedom Fries (with gravy) and wait to ignore the next Russian Outrage sanctioned by their Leader and Grabber-in-Chief.

 

p.s. - Reagan's monumental waste of Defense spending had NOTHING to do with the fall of the USSR. That totalitarian state was brought down because Gorbachev realized he had to loosen the absolute control on the exchange of information if they were to survive in the modern World, and the coup d'grace came when he refused to help the Polish government put down the Solidarity workers revolt, saying "You can't shoot people just because you disagree". That comment reversed 70 years of Soviet policy, and sent the flames of Solidarity to consume the old Warsaw Pact and finally the USSR.

 

If you want to put western names to the fall of the Soviet Union, you should start with Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Tim Berner-Lee and DARPA.

 

Reagan's ONLY involvement was to have so depleted US Government resources we were unable to provide any significant aid to the DEMOCRATIC forces in Russia that toppled the Soviet regime, only to be pushed aside by the neoCommies just like the Socialists who won the first revolution were displaced by the Commies. Had Yelsen's government been able to feed the people (with US aid) there would've been no call for a "strong leader" to end the corruption that kept the shelves bare, and Vlad would be unknown outside the KGB alumni association.

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There is a real enemy and a real threat 'out there'.  It has been existential since the Russian Revolution.  Reagan did nothing to assuage that reason despite having some success in bringing about a temporary downfall of the regime currently in power. 

 

Guess what?  'Theyyrrrre baaaaaacckkkk'. More precisely,THEY never went away! 

 

We've heard and seen a good bit of chatter about 'cooperating' with the 'unsavory' elements in the world in order to effectively deal with even more unsavory elements.  Sort of a repetition of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' philosophy. In case anyone is interested, that dates back at least as far a the Fourth Century, BCE.  In Sandskrit, no less.

 

NO-NO-NO!  That is NOT true. It is a distortion to allow ganging up on a common opponent.  As far as I can tell, that approach has always resulted in subsequent conflict.  Seems to be inevitable. 

 

Oft-time that involves your own leader taking positions in support of things creating the conflict in the first place.  Why is that?  Why to manipulate and exploit your own people into doing what you want them to do...no need for oppositions on the 'home front' is there?  Propaganda...BS...Lies. 

 

Dare I point out that doing that sort of thing is the personification of cynical contempt for the people the autocrat professes to love.....AND for the tools [mis-led supporters] he expolits unconscionably in the process. 

 

Your other real enemy's ike minded minions within your own Country seize on that hypocrisy in order to justify its imposition in our very own 'back yard'....AND there go the freedoms real patriots and stateesmen fought and died for to leave for us. 

 

You KNOW that's true!  Always was....always will be.  "The donald" LIES.  It's what he does.  It's what he always will do.  It's what he is.

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Ok so Russia has now Hacked a Candidate running agaisnt another Far Right-Wing Candidate in the French Election and released thousands of Documents meant to help defeat the Moderate running for President and get another Right-Wing Finatic elected in a Major World Power...................................First we had the Right-Wing Freak Show - Theresa May in England - now it's possible we might have another Right-Wing Putin Loving Freak Show in France in none other than Marine le Pen who thinks Putin is a Hero and Donald Trump is the second coming of her Fascist Father - Jean Marie Le Pen

 

Yes Fascist - Read some of his most Right-wing Hate Filled Fear Mongering Comments

 

1.In May 1987, he advocated the forced isolation from society of all people infected with HIV, by placing them in a special "sidatorium".

 

2. On 21 June 1995, he attacked singer Patrick Bruel on his policy of no longer singing in the city of Toulon because the city had just elected a mayor from the National Front. Le Pen said, "the city of Toulon will then have to get along without the vocalisations of singer Benguigui". Benguigui, an Algerian name, is Bruel's birth name.

 

3. In February 1997, Le Pen accused Chirac of being "on the payroll of Jewish organizations, and particularly of the B'nai B'rith"

 

4. Le Pen once made the infamous pun "Durafour-crématoire" ("four crématoire" meaning "crematory oven") about then-minister Michel Durafour, who had said in public a few days before, "One must exterminate the National Front"

 

5. On many occasions, before and after the FIFA World Cup, he claimed that the French World Cup squad contained too many non-white players, and was not an accurate reflection of French society. He went on to scold players for not singing La Marseillaise, saying they were not "French".[

 

6. Le Pen has made several provocative statements concerning the Holocaust which have been interpreted by the legal system as constituting Holocaust denial. He has been convicted of racism or inciting racial hatred at least six times.[20] Thus, on 13 September 1987 he said, "I ask myself several questions. I'm not saying the gas chambers didn't exist. I haven't seen them myself. I haven't particularly studied the question. But I believe it's just a detail in the history of World War II." He was condemned under the Gayssot Act to pay 1.2 million francs

 

7. In 1997, the European Parliament, of which Le Pen was then a member, removed his parliamentary immunity so that Le Pen could be tried by a German court for comments he made at a December 1996 press conference before the German Republikaner party. Echoing his 1987 remarks in France, Le Pen stated: "If you take a 1,000-page book on World War II, the concentration camps take up only two pages and the gas chambers 10 to 15 lines. This is what one calls a detail." In June 1999, a Munich court found this statement to be "minimizing the Holocaust, which caused the deaths of six million Jews," and convicted and fined Le Pen for his remarks.[33] Le Pen retorted ironically: "I understand now that it's the Second World War which is a detail of the history of the gas chambers."

 

The political movement of French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron said it has been hacked and internal information leaked in a cyber-attack hours before polls re-opened in the country's hugely consequential election.

 

En Marche! said it "was the victim of a massive and coordinated piracy action" and emails, accounting documents, contracts and other materials were disseminated on social media. It said part of the leak involves false documents.

 

"Those who are circulating these documents added false documents to many original documents in order to sow doubt and misinformation," the En Marche! movement said in the statement.

 

The timing of the leak, hours before the statutory final-day campaigning ban came into effect, means Macron will not be able to respond to any potential revelations before Sunday's second-round vote, in which he faces a challenge from far right populist Marine Le Pen.

 

The restriction on campaign activity and local media coverage came into effect at midnight Friday and remains in place until polls close at 8 p.m. (2 p.m. ET) Sunday.

 

France's electoral commission on Saturday told media outlets not to reproduce any information hacked from Macron's campaign, warning that doing so would be a criminal offence, Reuters reported.

 

Source - http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/campaign-french-presidential-candidate-macron-says-it-was-hacked-n...

 

Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen#Controversial_statements

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