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I didn't realize Obama's inner circle told him Not to congratulate Putin?  And then leak it to the press that sent Obama into a rage?  Was Putin attacking our most trusted ally with nerve gas at the time?  Was Russian troops massing in Syria to attack U.S. backed forces?

 

 

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Most of the Republicans here have a point. They really don't care about Trump's blunders. His incompetence. His inability to read. His horrible relationships with our allies. His wonderful relationships with out enemies.  His weekly vacations. 

 

They just don't care.  He managed to win the electoral college if not the popular vote so they just don't care. 

 

Trump to Putin:  Congratulations on your win in the rigged election". Putin to Trump: "Thanks, you too"


There is some validity in your original thought. We were all offered two quite different campaign platforms. We each selected the one that better represented our thinking. It is the carrying out of the promised agenda that concerns us most - the peripheral stuff is not the main concern.

 

The last part is, of course, nonsense. Trump congratulated Putin, Obama congratulated Putin , and the word "rigged" was not involved with either.

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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

 


@rk9152wrote:

I am a register Republican and I am not outraged. Might you be referring to the Republican establishment?

 

And then there is the point that Obama did the same thing.


Obama didn't refuse to impose sanctions that Congress almost unanimously passed and then congratulate Putin on his election win after he meddled in our elections and Russians hacked into 7 state voter data bases, along with Russia putting 100 operatives in our country posting false news on Facebook trying to influence our elections.  But of course ......... trump surely did. Trump cult members would never criticize him doing this so ..... it doesn't surprise me that you would try to defend his doing so.


The issue is congratulating another major world leader on his election. It is normal di[lomacy as practiced by the two Presidents mentioned.


No - - the issue is trump congratulating Putin under the circumstances of Putin hacking into our computer systems and meddling in our elections. Instead of placing sanctions on Putin and Russia, trump congratulates him. Go ahead, defend him again, it's what trump supporters blindly do, regardless of what idiot things that trump does.


And yet Obama said that the Russians could nor have an effect on our elections and he knew of the efforts. As to hacking in general, yes, it has been going on for decades.


And yet, Conservatives blather along without understanding much of anything other than "blame Obama".  IMO, it shows a real lack of depth of understanding global affairs as well as a self-serving desire to protect trump:

 

So why didn't Obama's administration do more?

 

That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes — hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.

 

Plus, the relationship between the United States and Russia is multifaceted and often intensely complicated:

 

  • Obama scaled back missile defense plans in Europe to placate Moscow.
  • Obama wanted Russia to play a role in the international agreement under which Iran agreed to restrict its nuclear program — and Putin went along.
  • Obama spent the end of his presidency trying to bring Russia into a multilateral agreement to end the Syrian civil war, but Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov ultimately never committed.

So Obama's team had to manage many spinning plates in addition to the active measures campaign it detected by the middle of 2016. One question Obama may address in his book is why he calibrated his choices in the way he did — whether he looked the other way on election interference to keep open other options elsewhere.

 

A partisan tightrope

 

Former Vice President Joe Biden also has complained that the White House wanted Republicans to join in a bipartisan statement announcing and condemning the interference campaign. In Biden's telling, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., wouldn't go along.

 

But that didn't stop then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., from alluding publicly to the Russian campaign in a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey. And Comey reportedly wanted to announce the active measures in an op-ed column, as Newsweek reported in March 2017. Two sources with knowledge about the matter told Newsweek that Obama administration officials blocked the effort.

 

There's no way to know what difference it might have made for U.S. officials to have confirmed and condemned the Russian interference in real time.

 

FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?

 

Just think what might have been adverted if the Cons in both houses wanted to stop Russia.  maybe they knew the Russians were trying to help trump.....maybe THEY were complicit themselves.  That might explain the horrendous investigation by the GOP House Intelligence Committee.

 

Maybe someone should investigate the GOP House and how they didn't support the Obama administrations recommendations.  Ya think?


When you start with ...... let's see...... what is acceptable ...... let's try "intellectual dishonesty" about "blame Obama" which no one has, the rest of the rant really cannot have any value.

 

Try again with truthfulness.


Apparently you only respond without actually reading what your responding to....it's typical of a few right-wing extremists here.  They march together.


As I said, when a rant starts with a ......... let's say "untruth", the entire thing is tainted.

 

If wanting honest discussion is a trait of "right-wing extremists", that is quite an (I am sure unintended) compliment.

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@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

 

"I am a register Republican..."  Why YES you are, rk; yes you are....of course, that is what I posted...and further demonstrated by the incorrect word usage.what word do you object to?  I don't object to any word....you make me laugh.  Thanks for keeping us all healthy (according to AARP) you did post, "demonstrated by the incorrect word usage"  Sure I did.  Most see the incorrect word usage.  Does someone really need to explain it to you?

 

and I am not outraged. Not all within the party have equal abilities to understand cause and effect. True - there is the establishment and then there are those a few  enough for the Constitution who elected President Trump.  The cause and effect of neoMarxism would be a tragedy for out nation. NeoMarxism didn't run in 2016. Another faux point from the usual source....of course it did in theProgressive Movement  Wrong again!  no, I'm right Prove it!  Fortunately, enough Americans see the danger and voted to stop it's long march.  Again, it didn't run in 2016.again it did.  Not on any ballot I've seen.....where's your evidence of such nonsense. it ran with many Democratic candidates including Hillary  No it didn't; especially because YOU said it was so.  Straw men have very little credibility you see.

 

Might you be referring to the Republican establishment?  Anyone who isn't a far-right wing extremist....no, yes!  no! Americans who value our history and want to continue the model of democracy that our Founders gave the world. It's sad that the GOP could only get a trump through to the nomination....it speaks volumes about Republicans. but he did beat the sad candidate from the Dems also speaking volumes. Not without help from the Russians, the FBI and ignorance in general. Not according to Obama. Wrong again....


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@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

 


@rk9152wrote:

I am a register Republican and I am not outraged. Might you be referring to the Republican establishment?

 

And then there is the point that Obama did the same thing.


Obama didn't refuse to impose sanctions that Congress almost unanimously passed and then congratulate Putin on his election win after he meddled in our elections and Russians hacked into 7 state voter data bases, along with Russia putting 100 operatives in our country posting false news on Facebook trying to influence our elections.  But of course ......... trump surely did. Trump cult members would never criticize him doing this so ..... it doesn't surprise me that you would try to defend his doing so.


The issue is congratulating another major world leader on his election. It is normal di[lomacy as practiced by the two Presidents mentioned.


No - - the issue is trump congratulating Putin under the circumstances of Putin hacking into our computer systems and meddling in our elections. Instead of placing sanctions on Putin and Russia, trump congratulates him. Go ahead, defend him again, it's what trump supporters blindly do, regardless of what idiot things that trump does.


And yet Obama said that the Russians could nor have an effect on our elections and he knew of the efforts. As to hacking in general, yes, it has been going on for decades.


And yet, Conservatives blather along without understanding much of anything other than "blame Obama".  IMO, it shows a real lack of depth of understanding global affairs as well as a self-serving desire to protect trump:

 

So why didn't Obama's administration do more?

 

That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes — hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.

 

Plus, the relationship between the United States and Russia is multifaceted and often intensely complicated:

 

  • Obama scaled back missile defense plans in Europe to placate Moscow.
  • Obama wanted Russia to play a role in the international agreement under which Iran agreed to restrict its nuclear program — and Putin went along.
  • Obama spent the end of his presidency trying to bring Russia into a multilateral agreement to end the Syrian civil war, but Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov ultimately never committed.

So Obama's team had to manage many spinning plates in addition to the active measures campaign it detected by the middle of 2016. One question Obama may address in his book is why he calibrated his choices in the way he did — whether he looked the other way on election interference to keep open other options elsewhere.

 

A partisan tightrope

 

Former Vice President Joe Biden also has complained that the White House wanted Republicans to join in a bipartisan statement announcing and condemning the interference campaign. In Biden's telling, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., wouldn't go along.

 

But that didn't stop then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., from alluding publicly to the Russian campaign in a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey. And Comey reportedly wanted to announce the active measures in an op-ed column, as Newsweek reported in March 2017. Two sources with knowledge about the matter told Newsweek that Obama administration officials blocked the effort.

 

There's no way to know what difference it might have made for U.S. officials to have confirmed and condemned the Russian interference in real time.

 

FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?

 

Just think what might have been adverted if the Cons in both houses wanted to stop Russia.  maybe they knew the Russians were trying to help trump.....maybe THEY were complicit themselves.  That might explain the horrendous investigation by the GOP House Intelligence Committee.

 

Maybe someone should investigate the GOP House and how they didn't support the Obama administrations recommendations.  Ya think?


When you start with ...... let's see...... what is acceptable ...... let's try "intellectual dishonesty" about "blame Obama" which no one has, the rest of the rant really cannot have any value.

 

Try again with truthfulness.


Apparently you only respond without actually reading what your responding to....it's typical of a few right-wing extremists here.  They march together.


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@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

 


@rk9152wrote:

I am a register Republican and I am not outraged. Might you be referring to the Republican establishment?

 

And then there is the point that Obama did the same thing.


Obama didn't refuse to impose sanctions that Congress almost unanimously passed and then congratulate Putin on his election win after he meddled in our elections and Russians hacked into 7 state voter data bases, along with Russia putting 100 operatives in our country posting false news on Facebook trying to influence our elections.  But of course ......... trump surely did. Trump cult members would never criticize him doing this so ..... it doesn't surprise me that you would try to defend his doing so.


The issue is congratulating another major world leader on his election. It is normal di[lomacy as practiced by the two Presidents mentioned.


No - - the issue is trump congratulating Putin under the circumstances of Putin hacking into our computer systems and meddling in our elections. Instead of placing sanctions on Putin and Russia, trump congratulates him. Go ahead, defend him again, it's what trump supporters blindly do, regardless of what idiot things that trump does.


And yet Obama said that the Russians could nor have an effect on our elections and he knew of the efforts. As to hacking in general, yes, it has been going on for decades.


And yet, Conservatives blather along without understanding much of anything other than "blame Obama".  IMO, it shows a real lack of depth of understanding global affairs as well as a self-serving desire to protect trump:

 

So why didn't Obama's administration do more?

 

That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes — hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.

 

Plus, the relationship between the United States and Russia is multifaceted and often intensely complicated:

 

  • Obama scaled back missile defense plans in Europe to placate Moscow.
  • Obama wanted Russia to play a role in the international agreement under which Iran agreed to restrict its nuclear program — and Putin went along.
  • Obama spent the end of his presidency trying to bring Russia into a multilateral agreement to end the Syrian civil war, but Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov ultimately never committed.

So Obama's team had to manage many spinning plates in addition to the active measures campaign it detected by the middle of 2016. One question Obama may address in his book is why he calibrated his choices in the way he did — whether he looked the other way on election interference to keep open other options elsewhere.

 

A partisan tightrope

 

Former Vice President Joe Biden also has complained that the White House wanted Republicans to join in a bipartisan statement announcing and condemning the interference campaign. In Biden's telling, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., wouldn't go along.

 

But that didn't stop then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., from alluding publicly to the Russian campaign in a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey. And Comey reportedly wanted to announce the active measures in an op-ed column, as Newsweek reported in March 2017. Two sources with knowledge about the matter told Newsweek that Obama administration officials blocked the effort.

 

There's no way to know what difference it might have made for U.S. officials to have confirmed and condemned the Russian interference in real time.

 

FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?

 

Just think what might have been adverted if the Cons in both houses wanted to stop Russia.  maybe they knew the Russians were trying to help trump.....maybe THEY were complicit themselves.  That might explain the horrendous investigation by the GOP House Intelligence Committee.

 

Maybe someone should investigate the GOP House and how they didn't support the Obama administrations recommendations.  Ya think?


When you start with ...... let's see...... what is acceptable ...... let's try "intellectual dishonesty" about "blame Obama" which no one has, the rest of the rant really cannot have any value.

 

Try again with truthfulness.


Truthfulness - that characteristic that lyin' liddle donnie and a majority of his followers/supporters have clearly demonstrated that they have permanently eschewed...

 

Persistent republican/conservative willfull and deliberate mendacity is far too obvious for anyone who is not a lifelong resident of  the "alternative reality" to mistake or ignore...

 

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Most of the Republicans here have a point. They really don't care about Trump's blunders. His incompetence. His inability to read. His horrible relationships with our allies. His wonderful relationships with out enemies.  His weekly vacations. 

 

They just don't care.  He managed to win the electoral college if not the popular vote so they just don't care. 

 

Trump to Putin:  Congratulations on your win in the rigged election". Putin to Trump: "Thanks, you too"

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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

 

"I am a register Republican..."  Why YES you are, rk; yes you are....of course, that is what I posted...and further demonstrated by the incorrect word usage.what word do you object to?  I don't object to any word....you make me laugh.  Thanks for keeping us all healthy (according to AARP) you did post, "demonstrated by the incorrect word usage"

 

and I am not outraged. Not all within the party have equal abilities to understand cause and effect. True - there is the establishment and then there are those a few  enough for the Constitution who elected President Trump.  The cause and effect of neoMarxism would be a tragedy for out nation. NeoMarxism didn't run in 2016. Another faux point from the usual source....of course it did in theProgressive Movement  Wrong again!  no, I'm right Fortunately, enough Americans see the danger and voted to stop it's long march.  Again, it didn't run in 2016.again it did.  Not on any ballot I've seen.....where's your evidence of such nonsense. it ran with many Democratic candidates including Hillary

 

Might you be referring to the Republican establishment?  Anyone who isn't a far-right wing extremist....no, yes!  no! Americans who value our history and want to continue the model of democracy that our Founders gave the world. It's sad that the GOP could only get a trump through to the nomination....it speaks volumes about Republicans. but he did beat the sad candidate from the Dems also speaking volumes. Not without help from the Russians, the FBI and ignorance in general. Not according to Obama


 

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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

 


@rk9152wrote:

I am a register Republican and I am not outraged. Might you be referring to the Republican establishment?

 

And then there is the point that Obama did the same thing.


Obama didn't refuse to impose sanctions that Congress almost unanimously passed and then congratulate Putin on his election win after he meddled in our elections and Russians hacked into 7 state voter data bases, along with Russia putting 100 operatives in our country posting false news on Facebook trying to influence our elections.  But of course ......... trump surely did. Trump cult members would never criticize him doing this so ..... it doesn't surprise me that you would try to defend his doing so.


The issue is congratulating another major world leader on his election. It is normal di[lomacy as practiced by the two Presidents mentioned.


No - - the issue is trump congratulating Putin under the circumstances of Putin hacking into our computer systems and meddling in our elections. Instead of placing sanctions on Putin and Russia, trump congratulates him. Go ahead, defend him again, it's what trump supporters blindly do, regardless of what idiot things that trump does.


And yet Obama said that the Russians could nor have an effect on our elections and he knew of the efforts. As to hacking in general, yes, it has been going on for decades.


And yet, Conservatives blather along without understanding much of anything other than "blame Obama".  IMO, it shows a real lack of depth of understanding global affairs as well as a self-serving desire to protect trump:

 

So why didn't Obama's administration do more?

 

That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes — hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.

 

Plus, the relationship between the United States and Russia is multifaceted and often intensely complicated:

 

  • Obama scaled back missile defense plans in Europe to placate Moscow.
  • Obama wanted Russia to play a role in the international agreement under which Iran agreed to restrict its nuclear program — and Putin went along.
  • Obama spent the end of his presidency trying to bring Russia into a multilateral agreement to end the Syrian civil war, but Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov ultimately never committed.

So Obama's team had to manage many spinning plates in addition to the active measures campaign it detected by the middle of 2016. One question Obama may address in his book is why he calibrated his choices in the way he did — whether he looked the other way on election interference to keep open other options elsewhere.

 

A partisan tightrope

 

Former Vice President Joe Biden also has complained that the White House wanted Republicans to join in a bipartisan statement announcing and condemning the interference campaign. In Biden's telling, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., wouldn't go along.

 

But that didn't stop then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., from alluding publicly to the Russian campaign in a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey. And Comey reportedly wanted to announce the active measures in an op-ed column, as Newsweek reported in March 2017. Two sources with knowledge about the matter told Newsweek that Obama administration officials blocked the effort.

 

There's no way to know what difference it might have made for U.S. officials to have confirmed and condemned the Russian interference in real time.

 

FACT CHECK: Why Didn't Obama Stop Russia's Election Interference In 2016?

 

Just think what might have been adverted if the Cons in both houses wanted to stop Russia.  maybe they knew the Russians were trying to help trump.....maybe THEY were complicit themselves.  That might explain the horrendous investigation by the GOP House Intelligence Committee.

 

Maybe someone should investigate the GOP House and how they didn't support the Obama administrations recommendations.  Ya think?


When you start with ...... let's see...... what is acceptable ...... let's try "intellectual dishonesty" about "blame Obama" which no one has, the rest of the rant really cannot have any value.

 

Try again with truthfulness.

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@Centristsin2010wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Centristsin2010wrote:

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"I am a register Republican..."  Why YES you are, rk; yes you are....of course, that is what I posted...and further demonstrated by the incorrect word usage.what word do you object to?  I don't object to any word....you make me laugh.  Thanks for keeping us all healthy (according to AARP)

 

and I am not outraged. Not all within the party have equal abilities to understand cause and effect. True - there is the establishment and then there are those a few who elected President Trump.  The cause and effect of neoMarxism would be a tragedy for out nation. NeoMarxism didn't run in 2016. Another faux point from the usual source....of course it did in theProgressive Movement  Wrong again!  Fortunately, enough Americans see the danger and voted to stop it's long march.  Again, it didn't run in 2016.again it did.  Not on any ballot I've seen.....where's your evidence of such nonsense.

 

Might you be referring to the Republican establishment?  Anyone who isn't a far-right wing extremist....no, yes!  Americans who value our history and want to continue the model of democracy that our Founders gave the world. It's sad that the GOP could only get a trump through to the nomination....it speaks volumes about Republicans. but he did beat the sad candidate from the Dems also speaking volumes. Not without help from the Russians, the FBI and ignorance in general.


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