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It appears many do not read all news and the direction our society is taking, we're moving to a socialist society, far too many people out of work (95 million) someone has to care for these people guess who, taxpayers. With a Democrat president for 8 years nothing has improved in the economy, low wages, part time jobs, loss of manufacturing, uncontrolled immigration, all this continues to harm our country, yet  many here believe Hillary will help us, sadly your wrong but certianly I cannot convince you at this late stage in your lives.

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@cat2015 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

There is nothing "small" about a Government that will partol our bedrooms while leaving the sanctity of the Boardroom in tact.

What "partoling" are you talking about. I am not aware of any.

 

This from the poster who thinks rape victims should be forced to carry their pregnancies to term.

 

Now that's patrolling.

 

 


What does that mean - are abortions performed in those supposed "patrolled" bedrooms? 


 


 

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@cat2015 wrote:

@kd8129 wrote:

The GOP will not cut SS, neither party has seen fit to offer any solutions other then cut COLA,

we seniors are a forgotten group like it or not. I will vote Trump simply because we need jobs

and less immigrations, more people working more income for SS, it really is that simple, the

left will always have less people working or on welfare.


Kd, if you got your way and Trump were elected, would another recession affect you?


cat - you are aware, are you not, that the next recession is right around the corner no matter who gets elected due to the "funny money" of QE and the ridiculous artificial interest rates.

 

Is it really necessary to personalize every issue as to who will be effected? Can't we all simply be Americans and concerned with America?

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@cat2015 wrote:

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Hey NOT, speaking of Taxes , where are Trump's Tax returns.

 

Why do people keep asking variations on that silly question? They are right where the questions of legality are answered - the IRS.


The right is only concerned with transparency when it involves Democrats. When it involves one of their own, they believe any excuse.

 

Trump is never going to produce his tax returns because he has too much to hide. It has nothing to do with an IRS audit. Buffet's taxes are under audit, and he produced his returns.

 

cat - try to follow the bouncing ball. The question was, "Where are the Trump tax returns?" and the answer was with the IRS. 

 

Nothing "the right" in that, just truth.

 

 


 

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Seems to me that the Democrats are the ones sending in their thugs to disrupt any Republican rallys.  Just sayin.  Just who is it that uses muscle to get their way?  Does unions or BLM ring any bells?

What in the world are you talking about? Is this a conspiracy theory on rightwing web sites? Sounds pretty imaginative.

 

Apparently, you have not been keeping up with the news about contractors hired by the Dem establishment hiring people to disrupt Trump events.

Rather than have to read the silliness about "the source" I'll offer this: http://abcnews.com.co/donald-trump-protester-speaks-out-i-was-paid-to-protest/

 

 


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@mandm84 wrote:

 With all due respect,  rk9152 supports and applauds Trump for " Being Smart " because he hasn't paid Federal Income Taxes for Years ,

With all due respect, rk9152 wonders what mandm84 would prefer to call someone who follows the tax law?.

but rk9152 survives on a nice Tax Payer Funded Gov't Pension with Cost of Living Increases and Lifetime Medical Coverage. I

Getting a bit personal there? rk9152 is just like millions and millions of people who sacrificed part of their compensation for  a retirement package to be used later. It's called planning for retirement.

F the rest of us Tax Payers were as " Smart As Trump " rk9152 would NOT have his Gov't Pension !!!

Besides expressing bitterness, what does that mean?

  Poster's like rk9152 and a few others, apparently well off , want it both ways to favor themselves and now want Privatization of Social Security so they can Play the stock market with the added cushion of SS money.

Common sense would indicate that neither rk9152 nor any other retiree would be involved in any changes to SS. But, it appears that common sense is not a factor here - only bitterness and envy.

Well most dont have the Govt Pension Luxury and need S.S. to just survive with some sort of dignity. Some dont seem to understand how lucky they are to have that pension of Luxury and dont seem to get how others are struggling.!!!

What about private sector pensions - are you envious of them to? We all enjoy (or not) the results of past decisions. Once retired, it is too late to say, "I shudda......" but to be bitter about the decisions made by others does seem a wee bit small.

  People need to look beyond their own noses once in a while , to see some of their neighbors struggling and many to no fault of their own !!!

 There , but for the grace of GOD go I !!!

Bottom line - the intention behind proposed SS changes is to increase the outcome for retirees - but only for future retirees. Is that another source of your bitterness - it won't apply to you


 


 

 

Mandm is pointing out that you have a guaranteed federal pension that is generously subsidized by taxpayers and that wouldn't exist if everyone dodged taxes like Trump. You can pat yourself on the back all you want about how brilliant you were to choose a career with the federal government, but then you can't complain about big government and wealth redistribution. You are the beneficiary of both.

 

She's also pointing out that you apparently want to play the stock market with SS funds from the comfort of your guaranteed pension. For most Americans Social Security is their guaranteed pension. We don't want to change the nature of the program. We all have our portfolios, so it has nothing to do with wanting Big Brother to watch over us. However, we have plenty of programs allowing you to invest. You don't need Social Security.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

The Ryan plan was to be limited to 1/3rd of the employee contribution on an INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTARY BASIS

 

And therein lies the problem. To the radical left, individuals are not capable of making such decisions and must be seen to by Big Brother. And, of course, their finances augmented by some sort of "wealth redistribution" system.

 

On the other hand, a similar system has been in effect for federal employees for three decades. And I can tell you, it worked great for me.


Rk, you told us at one point that you opted for a guaranteed federal pension. The investments that you made were in addition to that guaranteed pension.

 

Social Security is everyone else's guaranteed pension. We all have 401ks and other investments in our portfolios, but that guaranteed pension is an important part of your portfolio, and it's an important part of everyone else's.

 

I think it's telling that you think of SS as "wealth redistribution." That's the argument made against SS when it was first proposed by FDR. There is no program more hated by the right. Nevertheless, we as a society decided that we could no longer tolerate half of our seniors living in poverty. Every civilized society has a form of old age insurance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Gail, privatization of Social Security is a non-starter, as it should be. Numerous studies have shown that SS would not survive if revenues were diverted into private accounts.

 

Social Security is not an investment. It should not be treated as an investment. It's insurance against poverty in old age.

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@myexper wrote:

Most all "folks" already know the video is bogus .... being thoroughly de-bunked by experts!!! 


It's so bogus that neither YOU or any of the radical left can post the original!  Here it is folks (with brains) the real original with Hillary saying she was raising taxes on the middle class:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLhqobB-88U

 

If the radical left wants to PROVE it's bogus, try and post the original!


Here NOT engages in a logical fallacy known as shifting the burden of proof--I need not prove my claim. You must prove me wrong.

 

Of course NOT hasn't produced the original video. He's produced a doctored video which has been debunked numerous times.

 

NOT, obviously you could easily find Clinton's tax policies on her web site if you had any interest. You're not proposing an interesting subject--you're simply repeating viral rightwing propaganda. Use a little logic, please, and figure out what the tax proposals are.

 

 

 

 

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@rk9152 wrote:

I am sure every one has seen the stats that compare the value of a dollar in SS just sitting there and the same dollar prudently invested. So it is hard to see the idea of investing some SS money to have it grow as "destroying SS".


Social Security is no more an investment than your guaranteed federal pension. It's old age insurance. You are proposing that we destroy the very nature of SS and turn it into something different.

 

Sorry, rk, but that ship has sailed. You're not going to sell anyone on privatizing SS.

 

 

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