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The current Conservative approach to Global Climate Change seems to be "look over there" as the polar ice caps melt, hurricanes and tornadoes decimate America, and the military is asking for billions of dollars to refit bases in response to climate change. 

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I remember driving through Nevada and seeing the billboards were lit by solar. In the wee hour of the morning they would dim out. But we (or the Chinese) have come a long way since then with better solar panels. Better batteries.

 

 

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@gordyfl wrote:

I remember driving through Nevada and seeing the billboards were lit by solar. In the wee hour of the morning they would dim out. But we (or the Chinese) have come a long way since then with better solar panels. Better batteries.

 

No question about it, technology has come a long way and advances every day. It will be a far better way of providing for our energy needs. It will happen as the technology advances - not via pols passing laws.


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@rk9152 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

I remember driving through Nevada and seeing the billboards were lit by solar. In the wee hour of the morning they would dim out. But we (or the Chinese) have come a long way since then with better solar panels. Better batteries.

 

No question about it, technology has come a long way and advances every day. It will be a far better way of providing for our energy needs. It will happen as the technology advances - not via pols passing laws.



What laws?  The Green New Deal is a policy platform to start discussions on how to move from heavily subsidized greenhouse gas producing technologies to clean technologies like the rest of the world has. It is a roadmap for making America great again after 50 years of aristocratic rule. 

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@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

I remember driving through Nevada and seeing the billboards were lit by solar. In the wee hour of the morning they would dim out. But we (or the Chinese) have come a long way since then with better solar panels. Better batteries.

 

No question about it, technology has come a long way and advances every day. It will be a far better way of providing for our energy needs. It will happen as the technology advances - not via pols passing laws.



What laws?  The Green New Deal is a policy platform to start discussions on how to move from heavily subsidized greenhouse gas producing technologies to clean technologies like the rest of the world has. It is a roadmap for making America great again after 50 years of aristocratic rule. 


Is it your view that the Socialist have no intention of enacting any laws or regulation to deal with global warming?

 

As to your last comment - "aristocratic rule"??? Because LBJ dropped the tax rate as the costs of WWII were finally recognized to be over?

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@gordyfl wrote:

I remember driving through Nevada and seeing the billboards were lit by solar. In the wee hour of the morning they would dim out. But we (or the Chinese) have come a long way since then with better solar panels. Better batteries.

 

No question about it, technology has come a long way and advances every day. It will be a far better way of providing for our energy needs. It will happen as the technology advances - not via pols passing laws.



What laws?  The Green New Deal is a policy platform to start discussions on how to move from heavily subsidized greenhouse gas producing technologies to clean technologies like the rest of the world has. It is a roadmap for making America great again after 50 years of aristocratic rule. 


Is it your view that the Socialist have no intention of enacting any laws or regulation to deal with global warming?

 

As to your last comment - "aristocratic rule"??? Because LBJ dropped the tax rate as the costs of WWII were finally recognized to be over?


So addressing Global Warming is Socialist.  And now the radical right perverts the definition of Socialism even further.  I saw no mention of LBJ or a tax rate.


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@ChasKy53 wrote

So addressing Global Warming is Socialist. 

So, no.

 

And now the radical right perverts the definition of Socialism even further.  I saw no mention of LBJ or a tax rate.

If you didn't see the "tax our way into prosperity" theory mentioned, you haven't been reading.

 

I mention LBJ because there has been a tendency to spread the "Reagan tax scam" back to the "JFK/LBJ tax scam" necessitated by the figures showing the leveling of income predates Reagan.

 


 

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rk and his dead cat verbiage. taxes are socialist. The common good is a marxist ideal. of course there is his big boogeyman hanging over all his posts, the all encompassing neo marxist hoax perpetrated by jordan peterson and all the other incels.
So it begins.
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@MIseker wrote:
rk and his dead cat verbiage. taxes are socialist. The common good is a marxist ideal. of course there is his big boogeyman hanging over all his posts, the all encompassing neo marxist hoax perpetrated by jordan peterson and all the other incels.

I have no idea what "dead cat verbiage" is but I can assure you that rk said none of that. And I would suggest you stick with the words of rk to discuss - Jordan Peterson is not posting under the name rk.

 

And "incels" - how does that fit????

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I just heard a great suggestion that would eliminate the need for Trump's wall.  Trump should advocate for a huge foundation (30 feet high) 1000 miles+ long for solar panels and windmills to sit on and we would get a benefit of "green" electricity and the money could be taken from the EPA budget to support it (after all, it is a green project) and would sit well with the "new green deal" advocates!

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The wall? Still unwanted. 

But, the use of more solar panels and windmills in key locations would be most welcome!

 

Never Forget

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@williamb39198 wrote:

The wall? Still unwanted. 

But, the use of more solar panels and windmills in key locations would be most welcome!

 

Never Forget


The GOPerBase wants a wall because they can't deal with ideas that people had after 1200AD. No vaccines, geocentric Universe, flat earth, slavery okay, and of course Government of, by and for the wealthy.

 

Germany has been installing solar panels in the median strip of the autobahn for several years now, but that's nothing compared to some of the other projects in Progressive countries:

The TuNur project- 4,000 MW solar – Tunisia

TuNur is a solar power project in Tunisia aiming to exploit the country’s competitive advantage in solar radiation and available space in order to power Europe. Located in a newly established solar complex in Southwest Tunisia, the project will use the Concentrated Solar Power (CSP) technology deploying parabolic mirrors connected to molten salt energy storage in a surface of more than 5,000 hectares- an area almost 3 times the size of Manhattan. Power will be sent to Europe via cables under the Med.

 

Asian Renewable Energy Hub (AREH) – 6,000 MW solar/wind – Australia 

An international consortium of energy companies has recently presented its plans to export colossal amounts of solar and wind energy from Western Australia to Southeast Asia via Indonesia and Singapore.

The hybrid power plant would be spread over 14,000 square km in flat desert land on the Northwest coast of Australia. It would comprise approximately 1,200 wind turbines supplied by Vestas, and 10 million solar panels with an aggregated capacity of 6,000 megawatts (MW). 4,000 MW would be supplied by wind energy, and 2,000MW from solar. It is estimated that this amount of power will be enough to supply electricity to more than 7 million households. 

 

Tidal Lagoon Cardiff- 3,400 MW tidal – Wales, UK 

Tidal Lagoon Power (TLP) is the power project developer for this innovative renewable energy project to be located in between Cardiff and Newport. Once completed, the project will be able to provide electricity to every single household in Wales, which is more than 3 million people, by only using the powerful tides of the UK’s west coast. 

The development process began in 2013 and the project received approval for grid connection last September. The impressive element of the project is that it attempts to scale up a relatively niche technology. If completed, it will harness the second highest tidal range in the world and will change the global landscape of tidal energy once and for all. 

 

And here in the USA, Republicans arrange to KILL an additional 1,400 of their fellow citizens EACH YEAR with the pollution from their elimination of regulations so we can burn more COAL.

 

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

 


@williamb39198 wrote:

The wall? Still unwanted. 

But, the use of more solar panels and windmills in key locations would be most welcome!

 

Never Forget


The GOPerBase wants a wall because they can't deal with ideas that people had after 1200AD. No vaccines, geocentric Universe, flat earth, slavery okay, and of course Government of, by and for the wealthy.

 

Germany has been installing solar panels in the median strip of the autobahn for several years now, but that's nothing compared to some of the other projects in Progressive countries:

The TuNur project- 4,000 MW solar – Tunisia

TuNur is a solar power project in Tunisia aiming to exploit the country’s competitive advantage in solar radiation and available space in order to power Europe. Located in a newly established solar complex in Southwest Tunisia, the project will use the Concentrated Solar Power (CSP) technology deploying parabolic mirrors connected to molten salt energy storage in a surface of more than 5,000 hectares- an area almost 3 times the size of Manhattan. Power will be sent to Europe via cables under the Med.

 

Asian Renewable Energy Hub (AREH) – 6,000 MW solar/wind – Australia 

An international consortium of energy companies has recently presented its plans to export colossal amounts of solar and wind energy from Western Australia to Southeast Asia via Indonesia and Singapore.

The hybrid power plant would be spread over 14,000 square km in flat desert land on the Northwest coast of Australia. It would comprise approximately 1,200 wind turbines supplied by Vestas, and 10 million solar panels with an aggregated capacity of 6,000 megawatts (MW). 4,000 MW would be supplied by wind energy, and 2,000MW from solar. It is estimated that this amount of power will be enough to supply electricity to more than 7 million households. 

 

Tidal Lagoon Cardiff- 3,400 MW tidal – Wales, UK 

Tidal Lagoon Power (TLP) is the power project developer for this innovative renewable energy project to be located in between Cardiff and Newport. Once completed, the project will be able to provide electricity to every single household in Wales, which is more than 3 million people, by only using the powerful tides of the UK’s west coast. 

The development process began in 2013 and the project received approval for grid connection last September. The impressive element of the project is that it attempts to scale up a relatively niche technology. If completed, it will harness the second highest tidal range in the world and will change the global landscape of tidal energy once and for all. 

 

And here in the USA, Republicans arrange to KILL an additional 1,400 of their fellow citizens EACH YEAR with the pollution from their elimination of regulations so we can burn more COAL.

 

 


I get it - you don't like coal, you like big taxes on others, you would like others to pay for the new green deal. Sooooo, you should like my suggestion - build a big foundation for all those solar panels on the southern border and it won't cost a red cent - funded by EPA!

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@williamb39198 wrote:

The wall? Still unwanted. 

But, the use of more solar panels and windmills in key locations would be most welcome!

 

Never Forget


No "wall" but a large 30' high foundation (on the Southern Border) to put those solar panels and windmills on with EPA funding it. Not only will it benefit the U.S. but will not clutter the landscape with windmills every property. This is the real "new green deal"!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@williamb39198 wrote:

The wall? Still unwanted. 

But, the use of more solar panels and windmills in key locations would be most welcome!

 

Never Forget


No "wall" but a large 30' high foundation (on the Southern Border) to put those solar panels and windmills on with EPA funding it. Not only will it benefit the U.S. but will not clutter the landscape with windmills every property. This is the real "new green deal"!


Wot a great idea!!!!

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Sure, great idea, Where are you piping the power to from the middle of the desert, where trump wants to put the wall, and what major metro areas are near?

 

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Republicans assume they can cry "Socialist" and it will stop the conversation.  They are finding that citizens just say "Yeah........So?".  It must be disheartening for them. 

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@Richva wrote:

Republicans assume they can cry "Socialist" and it will stop the conversation.  They are finding that citizens just say "Yeah........So?".  It must be disheartening for them. 


Where did you get that idea? I think it is important to discuss the Marxist leanings of the Progressive Movement. On the other hand the reaction from the left is always hatred for the successful (and a claim on their property), or something about Reagan tax cuts, or Norway.

 

I do find it disheartening to see people willing to abandon the traditions and operating principles of our nation's successful model for no other apparent reason than a desire to have "the other guy's stuff" - aka wealth redistribution.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Republicans assume they can cry "Socialist" and it will stop the conversation.  They are finding that citizens just say "Yeah........So?".  It must be disheartening for them. 


Where did you get that idea? I think it is important to discuss the Marxist leanings of the Progressive Movement. Of course you like discussing the fallacy that you created. On the other hand the reaction from the left is always hatred for the successful (and a claim on their property), or something about Reagan tax cuts, or Norway. And can you show sources supporting those erroneous claims of "the left" wanting to "claim other's property" or their "hatred for the successful" ? Can you show how hatred has anything to do with Reagan tax cuts or Norway?

 

I do find it disheartening to see people willing to abandon the traditions and operating principles of our nation's successful model for no other apparent reason than a desire to have "the other guy's stuff" - aka wealth redistribution. So then you should have been against the wealth redistribution that Reagan's "trickle down economics tax plan" started that redistributed wealth and income from the middle class and lower to the top 1%.


 


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

ChasKy'53's replies in black text:
@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Republicans assume they can cry "Socialist" and it will stop the conversation.  They are finding that citizens just say "Yeah........So?".  It must be disheartening for them. 


Where did you get that idea? I think it is important to discuss the Marxist leanings of the Progressive Movement. Of course you like discussing the fallacy that you created. Or the reality you would rather hide away. On the other hand the reaction from the left is always hatred for the successful (and a claim on their property), or something about Reagan tax cuts, or Norway. And can you show sources supporting those erroneous claims of "the left" wanting to "claim other's property" Wealth redistribution via taxation. or their "hatred for the successful" ? Just look at their terms used to describe the successful. Can you show how hatred has anything to do with Reagan tax cuts or Norway? No - you missed the word "or".

 

I do find it disheartening to see people willing to abandon the traditions and operating principles of our nation's successful model for no other apparent reason than a desire to have "the other guy's stuff" - aka wealth redistribution. So then you should have been against the wealth redistribution that Reagan's "trickle down economics tax plan" started that redistributed wealth and income from the middle class and lower to the top 1%.


So I do not consider tax payers being allowed to keep a bit more of their earnings to be wealth redistribution.


 

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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

ChasKy'53's replies in black text:
@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

Republicans assume they can cry "Socialist" and it will stop the conversation.  They are finding that citizens just say "Yeah........So?".  It must be disheartening for them. 


Where did you get that idea? I think it is important to discuss the Marxist leanings of the Progressive Movement. Of course you like discussing the fallacy that you created. Or the reality you would rather hide away. On the other hand the reaction from the left is always hatred for the successful (and a claim on their property), or something about Reagan tax cuts, or Norway. And can you show sources supporting those erroneous claims of "the left" wanting to "claim other's property" Wealth redistribution via taxation. or their "hatred for the successful" ? Just look at their terms used to describe the successful. Can you show how hatred has anything to do with Reagan tax cuts or Norway? No - you missed the word "or".

 

I do find it disheartening to see people willing to abandon the traditions and operating principles of our nation's successful model for no other apparent reason than a desire to have "the other guy's stuff" - aka wealth redistribution. So then you should have been against the wealth redistribution that Reagan's "trickle down economics tax plan" started that redistributed wealth and income from the middle class and lower to the top 1%.


So I do not consider tax payers being allowed to keep a bit more of their earnings to be wealth redistribution.


 


Us liberals consider not paying your bills or running up deficits to be financial malpractice.  How do you feel about it? 

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@Richva wrote:


Us liberals consider not paying your bills or running up deficits to be financial malpractice.  How do you feel about it? 


"Us Liberals" have been doing it for decades. Seems strange to be concerned now.

 

And, as to the Green New Deal .......... I don't see that as a money saver.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:


Us liberals consider not paying your bills or running up deficits to be financial malpractice.  How do you feel about it? 


"Us Liberals" have been doing it for decades. Seems strange to be concerned now.

 

And, as to the Green New Deal .......... I don't see that as a money saver.


You really need to take some history lessons. History shows clearly that the Republicans are responsible for 62% of the overall national debt ever incurred in America.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:


Us liberals consider not paying your bills or running up deficits to be financial malpractice.  How do you feel about it? 


"Us Liberals" have been doing it for decades. Seems strange to be concerned now.

 

And, as to the Green New Deal .......... I don't see that as a money saver.


You really need to take some history lessons. History shows clearly that the Republicans are responsible for 62% of the overall national debt ever incurred in America.


Why do I need history lessons?

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