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@williamb39198 wrote:

We keep tossing around the periphery issues, but is there a possibility of establishing a core plan or goals. We see other nations which have medical coverage for their citizens.

-Why can’t we appoint a commission to put together the best ideas or plans which might work for us. 

-Set goals to establish what we are working towards. Will we be centered around just treating medical issues, or try to prevent certain medical conditions becoming medical issues. Treatment would still be part of the program, but prevention might help lead to a healthier society...would that not be good for everyone?

-Or do we just throw up our hands, say good luck to those without coverage and

let monied interests and politics rule our medical system?

We always have options, which direction will we choose!


Why? No Committment to a Equitable Solution - No Willingness to Work Together

 

Two Reasons

 

1. Americans Are Mentally Lazy When it comes to truly understanding how things work in their own Country

 

2. BENJAMINS & Political Incumbents

 

1/10 of 1% of All Americans own as much as 90% of the rest of us

 

Why have the 250 Million People with the Authority to Prevent or Allow this to happen - WHY have they have allowed it to happen AGAIN

 

Capitalism Did Not Allow This To Be Achieved

 

Crooked Incumbent Politicians Did

 

250 Million Americans have allowed Crooked Politicians to Control The US Economy for the Benefit of a Handful 

 

A Crooked Congress has produced the same inequality - the same inequity in the Concentration of Wealth - that created the environement for the Great Depression in the 1920's & 1930's

 

It happened again in 2007-2008 and Americans Still Aren't Interested Enough to try and understand WHY

 

Do you think there is any Coincidence that the Environement that allowed the Tea Pot Dome Scandal IN 1921 - 1923 was the exact same timeframe as the beginning of the Great Depresssion

 

2007 - 2008 we were under the same Environment - Presidential Administration Run Amok and a Congress that was Complicit

 

Today it's even worse - we recovered from 2008 because the Obama & Congress applied a Few Bandaids but those bandaids have been ripped off - Dodd-Frank Reform Act was essentially a repeal in that it signaled to the Large Banks and Financial Investment Firms that it's back to business as usual - find some new loopholes and drive as many trucks of free money through them B4 we get caught again

 

Trump promised to - "Do a Big Number on Dodd-Frank" & it's one of the only promises he's kept

 

The Senate voted 67 to 31 to Repeal Most of Dodd-Frank

 

Here are the Democrats who voted for Dodd-Frank Reform Act & how Much They've been Paid by Big Banks & Investment Firms

 

Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO): $1,909,757

 

Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA): $1,377,713

 

Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE): $170,810

 

Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE): $373,599

 

Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-IN): $448,997

 

Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH): $421,263

 

Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND): $511,039

 

Sen. Doug Jones (D-AL): $417,406

 

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA): $921,903

 

Sen. Angus King (I-ME): $115,563

 

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV): $289,314

 

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO): $809,727

 

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL): $281,327

 

Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI): $648,379

 

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH): $319,249

 

Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI): $484,939

 

Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT): $782,122

 

These senators just voted to allow bankers to return to the same dangerous practices that gave us the economic recession in the first place. They are giving Wall Street the go-ahead to gamble with money that isn’t theirs. They are giving lenders more leeway to discriminate against black homeowners and other people of color. I’m sure they’ll be richly rewarded for it.

 

Source - https://splinternews.com/here-are-the-democrats-who-just-voted-to-sell-you-out-t-1823554660

 

In the House - 33 Democrats voted with the Majority of Republicans to for the Dodd Frank Repeal Act - the Vote was 258-159

 

 

 

 

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@williamb39198 wrote:

We keep tossing around the periphery issues, but is there a possibility of establishing a core plan or goals. We see other nations which have medical coverage for their citizens.

-Why can’t we appoint a commission to put together the best ideas or plans which might work for us. 

-Set goals to establish what we are working towards. Will we be centered around just treating medical issues, or try to prevent certain medical conditions becoming medical issues. Treatment would still be part of the program, but prevention might help lead to a healthier society...would that not be good for everyone?

-Or do we just throw up our hands, say good luck to those without coverage and

let monied interests and politics rule our medical system?

We always have options, which direction will we choose!


You have got to be kidding!!!!!  can't you understand what has happened to this country? Do you really think that anyone can work together to achieve whatever is good for this nation?

Please, get real. and understand that only when this country stops this division  being from the left of the right, when Americans start thinking like Americans and not as Democrats or Republicans. when our institutions are respected, when Administrations follow the rule of Law  only then  you will see anything of importance happening in this country.

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We keep tossing around the periphery issues, but is there a possibility of establishing a core plan or goals. We see other nations which have medical coverage for their citizens.

-Why can’t we appoint a commission to put together the best ideas or plans which might work for us. 

-Set goals to establish what we are working towards. Will we be centered around just treating medical issues, or try to prevent certain medical conditions becoming medical issues. Treatment would still be part of the program, but prevention might help lead to a healthier society...would that not be good for everyone?

-Or do we just throw up our hands, say good luck to those without coverage and

let monied interests and politics rule our medical system?

We always have options, which direction will we choose!

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Gail

CONGRATULATIONS.
Finally we are actually on the same page.  I was surprised by your post. I cannot name the amount of things that I  agree with it, but they were many.

People want simplicity and simplicity in the health care system doesn't work.  As you say unless we have costs controls. in many areas. to simply say Medicare for all or anything at all is ludicrous

I guess that in health care this country also wants instant gratification,.
In order to really have a decent health care system there are too many parts that need to happen to even begin  to deal with having a system that will ensure all.

In my personal view. Medical for All would become a disaster if implemented.

But we are now a country of people from the left and people from the right. and in that manner this country will achieve nothing.

 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

We cannot provide sensible health care to Americans State by State for the same reason we cannot provide sensible gun control State buy State - the entity we seek to control will simply "move nextdoor" to escape the jursidiction of the enforcement agent.

 

On a NATIONAL level, having tremendously improved healthcare at half the current cost is so easy EVERY OTHER DEMOCRACY HAS ALREADY DONE IT.

 

Only obsticle is REPUBLICANS blocking the way.

 

Remove the obsticle, achieve the objective.

 

Easy-peezie.


Not True - Pelosi - Schumer & The Democratic Machine Are Also in the Way

 

Pelosi & Schumer Also Blew the Construction & Roll Out of Obamacare

 

Pelosi & Schumer like to Demonize Trump for trying to dismantle Obamacare but those are just Cheap Political Tricks

 

What Significant Healthcare Legislation Has Either Pelosi The De-Facto Democratic Leader & Speaker of the US House or Schumer Staked Their Poltical Careers on

 

Do they have a Defense of Obamacare Act - They Have a Hundred Initiatives Going on Anything and Everything Mueller

 

HERE ARE THE FACTS

 

1. What Reasonable Person Believes - Any Health Care Proposals Would Have A Chance in Blue States or anywhere else if the Democratic Party Machine - AKA - The Democratic Party Leadership is Against it

 

2. They are Against Any Healthcare Solution - it's better for them Politically to have Trump and the GOP destroying Obamacare rather then fight it or suggest & support something even better

 

3. The Democratic Leadership is always worried about the Trillions of $$$ in Cost for something Bigger & Better then Obamacare & yet the Trillion $$ Trump Unfunded Tax Break that is helping them all get rich is a after thought now

 

4. All The Democratic Leadership Focuses on is Keeping Individual Power - they don't even care that much about Party Control of Congress as long as they themselves survive re-election & stay in office for another 30 years

 

Many will probably tell me this is a Healthcare Thread - No this is a Poltical thread - Because the Title Identifies it as that (RADICALS - SANDERS OCASIO CORTEZ ) (BLUE STATES) & ain't nothing about Healthcare going to get better or worse without the Politics being identified

 

 

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We cannot provide sensible health care to Americans State by State for the same reason we cannot provide sensible gun control State buy State - the entity we seek to control will simply "move nextdoor" to escape the jursidiction of the enforcement agent.

 

On a NATIONAL level, having tremendously improved healthcare at half the current cost is so easy EVERY OTHER DEMOCRACY HAS ALREADY DONE IT.

 

Only obsticle is REPUBLICANS blocking the way.

 

Remove the obsticle, achieve the objective.

 

Easy-peezie.

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All we need to do is cull out the coverage included in the Obamacare Silver Plan, make that the new National Standard, require everyone participate, collect the "premiums" as a tax and use the reduced cost from not having multiple claims forms and payment schedules to include those now uninsured.

 

I think you're right.

 

 

I use the BlueChoice HMO silver HSA I get on the state health exchange.

 

 

What I would like to see the HSA tax deduction extend into Medicare, I think there are already different tiers on Medi Gap plans.

 

 

Just go with a HMO - HSA with a  $ 3500 deductible, Medicaid assist for low income, and extend that into Medicare with a Medigap plan that is allows a HSA tax deduction.

 

 

Work in  the HSA contribution with the premium payment, choose the amount, that could be a basis for negotiations for an employer contribution to the plan.

 

 

Or something like that.

 

 

Hey Republicans, stop trying to repeal the ACA, just make it better.

 

 

Call it Medicare for All

 

 

Then declare victory.

 

 

 

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@GailL1 wrote:

@john258 

I haven't found politicians of either party at any level of government willing to take on the hard task.

I posted about what happened in your state to the "Buy in to Medicaid" proposal. Let me repost it -

 

Let's talk about NM idea - allowing people to buy into Medicaid.  They say they cannot do it without Federal money - why is that?  Those wishing to "BUY" into Medicaid, would be picking up the cost of this part of this GOVERNMENT program - a program where there is 

  • already NO profit for the insurer (the state in this regards)
  • already an administrative system where overhead is at the minimum, so it is said
  • already providers that accept very low fees
  • already a plan to get medications at a discounted rate
  • already claims processing in a centralized and same method
  • already the majority of children having coverage - Medicaid and/or CHIP
  • already (at least some) coverage for dental - well, in many states
  • already a system where the state regulates many of the cost on the providers or the beneficiary.

President Trump, his Adminsitration, as well as some Democratic and Republican lawmakers have made some suggestions on controlling the cost of medication - some real good ones, some with lots of bipartisan support.  Some have been struck down by the Courts because Pharma or Hospitals took it to them.

 

We have powerful medically related industries here that are gonna be fighting cost control with every manner possible - who can blame them.  They estabilish foiundations, some based on patient advocacies with societal supporting sounding names and begin the flaming.  Telling people and it is believed that something that is suggested is a CUT - when in reality it is a cost control method of reining in cost.

 

That is what the fight is gonna be about - COST control and what is covered - not system - That, my dear sir, has nothing to do with party - it has to do with the legislators having the balls to make some really important decisions because, they too, will get some of the brunt of controlling cost - people want, what they want, when they want it - and that may not be the case when cost controls are put into place to help us pay for the best care / treatment for the least amount of cost.

 

If cost aren't not controlled - it will not matter what system we have or who is the payer.

IT IS CONTROLLING COST THAT HAS TO COME 1ST and that is not an easy task when an industries profits are at stake. 


It was alive and well but needed Fed. help, and with Trump in Office that would not happen so it is on the back burner as it should be. When Trump is gone this state and other states who are looking at the same thing will relook at them. If someone comes up with a plan that does not need Fed. help it will be looked at, but Trump will do all he can to kill it. So all of the things you post mean nothing until Trump is gone. Thanks for proving what I posted before is true. the rest of your answer to me is nothing but talk you picked up reading things and mean nothing as long as Trump is around. Once again thanks for proving me correct.  Now cost can and will be controlled in improvements to the system after Trump is gone, just like they were starting to be under the ACA. Making Insurance Carriers have a loss ratio of 80% was one of them. Before that change a loss ratio of about 60% was usual. That is a savings of 20% right there. Killing the Medicare 15% additional payout by Medicare to the Advantage Carriers was another savings. Cost control will not come first sorry to break your bubble. Type of system will be first as that sets the stage for costs, and everyone who has worked in the system knows that. Now to party. Right now the main problem is Trump and he is a Reb. so that is party so you vote Trump, and all  with an R behind their name out. The far right has never supported any type of health care for all people. When the far right no longer control the R party you will be closer to being correct. The ACA was a Reb idea as an answer to Hillary Care, and that was when the far right did not control the party.

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Sunday accused the Center for American Progress, a prominent liberal think tank closely linked to leading Democrats, of trying to undermine his bid for the party’s presidential nomination and sabotage support for progressive proposals like “Medicare for All.”

 

In a letter addressed to the group’s board, Sanders took direct aim at CAP president Neera Tanden, saying she “repeatedly calls for unity while simultaneously maligning my staff and supporters and belittling progressive ideas.”

 

Sanders pointed to several recent articles and a video published last week by ThinkProgress ― a website associated with though editorially independent from CAP ― as evidence of the think tank’s animosity toward him and other progressive candidates in the race.

 

“This counterproductive negative campaigning needs to stop. The Democratic primary must be a campaign of ideas, not of bad faith smears. Please help play a constructive role in the effort to defeat” President Donald Trump, Sanders said in the letter.

 

Tanden is a longtime confidante of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who defeated Sanders in the long and bitter 2016 Democratic presidential primary. The feud between Sanders’ supporters and Clintonworld stalwarts like Tanden has only continued since then, especially on Twitter.

 

The ThinkProgress video, titled “Bernie’s millionaire problem,” focused on Sanders’ promised release of tax returns and his wealth earned by authoring a book during his 2016 presidential campaign. Last week, he told reporters that it “bothers him a bit” that he keeps getting asked about becoming a millionaire.

 

Source - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-cap-2020_n_5cb352ade4b0ffefe3b1e0f1

 

 

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Pelosi was on 60 Minutes tonight - she was asked about the Progressive Wing of her Party & some of their Proposals like Medicare for All

 

Pelosi said - "I'm a Progressive & then she went onto to proclaim that the Democratic Party represents the Mainstream

 

Heh heh

 

 

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