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Re: REPUBLICAN MEDICARE CUTS ARE NEXT

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    Gee whiz, I have a great idea for the Republican and their hatred for the entire social safety network, just wait and these programs will imolate, just like ACA is supposed to do, well except that it isn't.    They can force Seniors, regardless of age or physical ailments , to make a choice, they can go back to work, perhaps they can replace all the migrant workers picking crops or just quietly die early .

 

     The current regime has shown that their purported "art of the deal"  has failed, not just domestically, but also globally.    

      

 

      

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Re: REPUBLICAN MEDICARE CUTS ARE NEXT

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john258 wrote:

GailL1 wrote:

@mandm84

 

The devil is alway in the details.  Personally I don't see anything wrong with "premium support".

I have always been a fan of Democrats, Alice Rivlin and Pete Dominoci - and their "premium support" proposals.

 

Speaker, Paul Ryan, worked with both of them on the development of his plan for "premium support".

 

Per the 2017 Social Security and Medicare Trustee Report - Medicare Part A (HI) is in jeopardy.

Medicare Part B and D (SMI - Supplemental Medical Insurance) problems can always be solved by increased premiums - rather taking ALL of any COLA increase which seniors might get in any year.

( I posted the detail and a link on the "Medicare and Insurance" board for Medicare and on the "Social Security" board for Social Security.

 

 


Quick correction. Pete Dominoci was a Reb. and a good Senator. Paul Ryan is a big part of the problem.


I stand corrected, john258, Thank You

 and yes, he was a good Senator and a good think-tanker after his retirement.

Guess I just assumed since he hung around with Alice Rivkin in their post-government service day.

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GailL1 wrote:

@mandm84

 

The devil is alway in the details.  Personally I don't see anything wrong with "premium support".

I have always been a fan of Democrats, Alice Rivlin and Pete Dominoci - and their "premium support" proposals.

 

Speaker, Paul Ryan, worked with both of them on the development of his plan for "premium support".

 

Per the 2017 Social Security and Medicare Trustee Report - Medicare Part A (HI) is in jeopardy.

Medicare Part B and D (SMI - Supplemental Medical Insurance) problems can always be solved by increased premiums - rather taking ALL of any COLA increase which seniors might get in any year.

( I posted the detail and a link on the "Medicare and Insurance" board for Medicare and on the "Social Security" board for Social Security.

 

 


Quick correction. Pete Dominoci was a Reb. and a good Senator. Paul Ryan is a big part of the problem.

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rker321 wrote:

GailL1 wrote:

@mandm84

 

The devil is alway in the details.  Personally I don't see anything wrong with "premium support".

I have always been a fan of Democrats, Alice Rivlin and Pete Dominoci - and their "premium support" proposals.

 

Speaker, Paul Ryan, worked with both of them on the development of his plan for "premium support".

 

Per the 2017 Social Security and Medicare Trustee Report - Medicare Part A (HI) is in jeopardy.

Medicare Part B and D (SMI - Supplemental Medical Insurance) problems can always be solved by increased premiums - rather taking ALL of any COLA increase which seniors might get in any year.

( I posted the detail and a link on the "Medicare and Insurance" board for Medicare and on the "Social Security" board for Social Security.

 

 


As usual Gail you are missing the point. I am sure that you have seen what has been happening with Obamacare. and in a nutshell is one thing. EXPECTATIONS   If you think that repealing Obamacare has bee a piece of cake just watch anyone speaking abou doing anything to Medicare.Frankly,  I don't give a hoot at this time whether Medicare has problems or not. Guess what FIX THEM, DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND FIX IT.
I believe that you have not seen what would happen if they even talk about SS or Medicare. 
I also believe that the Republicans are not all stupid and have realized that those two words are for the time being impossible to whisper.


Sorry, rker321 - I am missing your point  - I was just responding to mandm84 since mandm84 mentioned me by name.

 

 

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GailL1 wrote:

@mandm84

 

The devil is alway in the details.  Personally I don't see anything wrong with "premium support".

I have always been a fan of Democrats, Alice Rivlin and Pete Dominoci - and their "premium support" proposals.

 

Speaker, Paul Ryan, worked with both of them on the development of his plan for "premium support".

 

Per the 2017 Social Security and Medicare Trustee Report - Medicare Part A (HI) is in jeopardy.

Medicare Part B and D (SMI - Supplemental Medical Insurance) problems can always be solved by increased premiums - rather taking ALL of any COLA increase which seniors might get in any year.

( I posted the detail and a link on the "Medicare and Insurance" board for Medicare and on the "Social Security" board for Social Security.

 

 


As usual Gail you are missing the point. I am sure that you have seen what has been happening with Obamacare. and in a nutshell is one thing. EXPECTATIONS   If you think that repealing Obamacare has bee a piece of cake just watch anyone speaking abou doing anything to Medicare.Frankly,  I don't give a hoot at this time whether Medicare has problems or not. Guess what FIX THEM, DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND FIX IT.
I believe that you have not seen what would happen if they even talk about SS or Medicare. 
I also believe that the Republicans are not all stupid and have realized that those two words are for the time being impossible to whisper.

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@mandm84

 

The devil is alway in the details.  Personally I don't see anything wrong with "premium support".

I have always been a fan of Democrats, Alice Rivlin and Pete Dominoci - and their "premium support" proposals.

 

Speaker, Paul Ryan, worked with both of them on the development of his plan for "premium support".

 

Per the 2017 Social Security and Medicare Trustee Report - Medicare Part A (HI) is in jeopardy.

Medicare Part B and D (SMI - Supplemental Medical Insurance) problems can always be solved by increased premiums - rather taking ALL of any COLA increase which seniors might get in any year.

( I posted the detail and a link on the "Medicare and Insurance" board for Medicare and on the "Social Security" board for Social Security.

 

 

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mandm84 wrote:

     I can't wait for some of our Far Right Republican posters , like Gail ,  to tell us how great this new Voucher (Vulcher ) coupon " coverage " program is gonna be !!! We can shop Doctors with our coupons !!!  Maybe we can use the old super market "Yellow & Green " food stamps to make up the shortage !!!  I'm sure the Republican's again are just trying to do what's best for OUR struggling  Senior's and Disabled  !!!

 

It's the Patriotic spirit that got us through WWII , when the Wealthiest paid a 90% Tax !!!

 

Wait the Wealthiest only paid 15% during the longer and more costly Iraq War ???

 

 


Right you are mandm, but its much worse than you've portrayed. The TMR during WWII was 94% and remained at 91% until 1964, a period of unrivaled growth in the American economy AND gave the American Middle Class the highest standard of living in the World.

 

In 1926, Republicans had slashed the TMR from 65% to 28% and deregulated Wall Street. The result was The Great Depression, which took a Government jobs program that put 16 MILLION Americans in Uniform, and created Government contracts that employed the rest of the Nation to supply and equip those 16 Million and twice that number of our allies.

 

In 2001, Republicans slashed the TMR from 39.5% to 35% while RAISING the effectiverate for people earning less than $25,000,  deregulated Wall Street and the Banksters and the result was the Great REcession which is STILL with us.

 

Now the Republicans are PROMISING to take health insurance away from 33 MILLION Americans, restore lifetime caps on insurance payments (which will be exceeded while a child with disabilities is still in the NICU), end the inheritence tax and hand a Medicare "rebate" of $700 Billion to the wealthiest Americans while doing nothing to extend Medicare Trust Fund beyond 2024.

 

The MUST do all that or they'll be "primaried" by the lunitic fringe they brought into the party via the Nixon Southern Strategy and who now control the GOP.

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     I can't wait for some of our Far Right Republican posters , like Gail ,  to tell us how great this new Voucher (Vulcher ) coupon " coverage " program is gonna be !!! We can shop Doctors with our coupons !!!  Maybe we can use the old super market "Yellow & Green " food stamps to make up the shortage !!!  I'm sure the Republican's again are just trying to do what's best for OUR struggling  Senior's and Disabled  !!!

 

It's the Patriotic spirit that got us through WWII , when the Wealthiest paid a 90% Tax !!!

 

Wait the Wealthiest only paid 15% during the longer and more costly Iraq War ???

 

 

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   As I posted earlier on another thread:

   

People that are currently insured via Medicare - the ACA Repeal Only will affect you.    Will Republicans care?

 

    1.   Medicare Advantage premiums will increase.

          A repeal would restore higher payments for services performed under the managed-care portion of Medicare known as Medicare Advantage, according to the Kaiser analysis. This, in turn, would likely lead to increased premiums for people who are signed up for Medicare Advantage. And an end to the law’s guarantees that preventive services be provided free to patients could also raise premiums, out-of-pocket costs, or both.

 

    2.   Donut-hole for drugs will revert to larger hole.

          The most notable change would be to reverse efforts to close the "doughnut hole" for prescription drugs. One provision of the Affordable Care Act dramatically cut the amount that seniors on Medicare have to pay for their medicines. (This is known as "closing the doughnut hole" because prior to the law’s passage, beneficiaries got some coverage up to a certain dollar amount, and then none until high-dollar, catastrophic coverage provisions kicked in.)

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/05/what-would-be-impact-if-affordable-care-...

 

    And now this attack on Seniors in the GOP Budget.      Will Donald retreat and now tell Seniors:  Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid will remain untouched?       Will Donald supporters say it is fine that he just lied and skrewed them.  

 

      GOP revert to skrew the middle and lower income people, this is all about tax cuts / breaks for the top 10%.   

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REPUBLICAN MEDICARE CUTS ARE NEXT

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Andrew Taylor, Associated Press,Associated Press 28 minutes ago 

WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled a budget that makes deep cuts in food stamps and other social safety net programs while boosting military spending by billions, a blueprint that pleases neither conservatives nor moderates.
The GOP plan, authored by Budget Chairman Diane Black, R-Tenn., is critical to GOP hopes to deliver on one of President Donald Trump's top priorities — a Republican-only effort to overhaul the tax code. Unclear, however, is whether GOP leaders can get the measure through the House. Conservatives want deeper spending cuts while moderates are concerned the reductions go too far.
Black announced a committee vote for Wednesday, but action by the entire House could be delayed by the ongoing quarrel between the GOP's factions.
Medicare is the second largest mandatory program after Social Security, and the House GOP plan again proposes to turn Medicare into a voucher-like program in which future retirees would receive a fixed benefit to purchase health insurance on the open market. Republicans have proposed the idea each year since taking back the House in 2011, but they've never tried to implement it — and that's not going to change now, even with a Republican as president.
The plan, in theory at least, promises to balance the budget through unprecedented and unworkable cuts across the budget. It calls for turning this year's projected $700 billion or so deficit into a tiny $9 billion surplus by 2027. It would do so by slashing $5.4 trillion over the coming decade, including almost $500 billion from Medicare, $1.5 trillion from Medicaid and the Obama health law, along with enormous cuts to benefits such as federal employee pensions, food stamps, and tax credits for the working poor.
"The status quo is unsustainable. A mounting national debt and lackluster economic growth will limit opportunity for people all across the country," Black said in a statement. "But we don't have to accept this reality. We can move forward with an optimistic vision for the future and this budget is the first step in that process. This is the moment to get real results for the American people. The time for talking is over, now is the time for action."
But in the immediate future the GOP measure is a budget buster. It would add almost $30 billion to Trump's $668 billion request for national defense, which already exceeds an existing "cap" on spending by $54 billion. But while Trump proposed taking that $54 billion from domestic agencies and foreign aid, the GOP budget plan would restore most of the cuts, trimming non-defense agencies by just $5 billion.
All told, the GOP plan would spend about $67 billion more in the upcoming annual appropriations bills than would be allowed under harsh spending limits set by a failed 2011 budget and debt agreement and pads war accounts by $10 billion. And, like Trump's budget, the House GOP plan assumes rosy economic projections that would erase another $1.5 trillion from the deficit over 10 years.
The measure, called a budget resolution, is nonbinding. It would allow Republicans controlling Congress to pass follow-up legislation through the Senate without the threat of a filibuster by Democrats. GOP leaders and the White House plan to use that measure to rewrite the tax code.
As proposed by House leaders, tax reform would essentially be deficit neutral, which means cuts to tax rates would be mostly "paid for" by closing various tax breaks such as the deduction for state and local taxes. However, the GOP plan would devote $300 billion claimed from economic growth to the tax reform effort.
But conservatives are insisting on adding cuts to so-called mandatory programs, which make up more than two-thirds of the federal budget and basically run on autopilot. After extended negotiations, Black would instruct 11 House panels to draw up $203 billion worth of mandatory cuts. But neither tea party lawmakers nor moderates are pleased with the idea. Conservatives want larger cuts, while moderates are blanching at voting to cut popular programs such as food stamps.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/house-budget-blueprint-boosts-military-cuts-benefits-093627075--p...

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