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They both produce the same thing ........... teachers with guns.  Dig a bit deeper.


Either with guns or with access to guns - true.

 

And the key - only teachers who are licensed, trained and want to be armed so as to be able to defend their students. Deep enough???


Your words don't mean much now that a trained armed teacher has discharged his firearm and injured a student.  Deep enough ???


Two teachers have discharged a firearm in a classroom already this week. Where will it happen today?


Yep, that's really defending those students, isn't it?


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@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

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They both produce the same thing ........... teachers with guns.  Dig a bit deeper.


Either with guns or with access to guns - true.

 

And the key - only teachers who are licensed, trained and want to be armed so as to be able to defend their students. Deep enough???


Your words don't mean much now that a trained armed teacher has discharged his firearm and injured a student.  Deep enough ???


Two teachers have discharged a firearm in a classroom already this week. Where will it happen today?

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@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

 


They both produce the same thing ........... teachers with guns.  Dig a bit deeper.


Either with guns or with access to guns - true.

 

And the key - only teachers who are licensed, trained and want to be armed so as to be able to defend their students. Deep enough???


Your words don't mean much now that a trained armed teacher has discharged his firearm and injured a student.  Deep enough ???


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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rk9152:  No one has proposed arming teachers.

 

 

 

Really? Where have you been? Lol

 

Trump Proposes Arming Teachers With Guns

http://video.ap.org/Trump-Proposes-Arming-Teachers-With-Guns-33566777


Arming and permitting self-arming are two different things. Dig a bit deeper.


Pull your head into the light. The ONLY difference you are claiming is WHO BUYS THE GUN - that's the distinction between "arming" and "PERMITTING self-arming". Unless you want to argue "arming" involves some form of involuntary conscription of teachers, it means giving a weapon to someone so they become "armed". Permitting means they can buy and carry their own gun.

 

Nobody in their right mind is going to expect teachers to switch from nurturing a student one minute and shooting them dead the next. The mind-set for being able to do that is NOT what we want for our kids and grandkids.

 

And before anyone agrees that armed teachers are a neat idea, consider what chance there is for Republicans to approve funding increases and the taxes needed for the increase so teachers can receive the same level of training our SWAT teams get so they'll know how to avoid shooting bystanders and not the perps. the answer to that is NO CHANCE for any NRAGOPer to raise taxes just so their plan to put guns in schools will not INCREASE the danger of a kid getting shot to death in the classroom.

 

We want the guns that make these massacures possible removed from the civilian sector. That would be military grade weapons - semi-automatics that can fire more than 8 times before reloading must go. And for that to happen, NRAGOP must be removed from office in November.

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If the solution to gun violence is more guns, then the solution to drunk driving must be more alcohol.

 

Yeah, right wing logic really is that stupid.

 

 

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (11 pages of lies and growing)
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@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Panjandromwrote:

rk9152:  No one has proposed arming teachers.

 

 

 

Really? Where have you been? Lol

 

Trump Proposes Arming Teachers With Guns

http://video.ap.org/Trump-Proposes-Arming-Teachers-With-Guns-33566777


Arming and permitting self-arming are two different things. Dig a bit deeper.


They both produce the same thing ........... teachers with guns.  Dig a bit deeper.


Either with guns or with access to guns - true.

 

And the key - only teachers who are licensed, trained and want to be armed so as to be able to defend their students. Deep enough???  Really?  How are untrained and unlicensed teachers prevented from "packing" in schools?  How long do you think it will take before a gun is stolen/taken from a teacher and someone, or many someone's are killed?



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@rk9152wrote:

@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Panjandromwrote:

rk9152:  No one has proposed arming teachers.

 

 

 

Really? Where have you been? Lol

 

Trump Proposes Arming Teachers With Guns

http://video.ap.org/Trump-Proposes-Arming-Teachers-With-Guns-33566777


Arming and permitting self-arming are two different things. Dig a bit deeper.


They both produce the same thing ........... teachers with guns.  Dig a bit deeper.


Either with guns or with access to guns - true.

 

And the key - only teachers who are licensed, trained and want to be armed so as to be able to defend their students. Deep enough???


Will level and amount of training be determined by Betsy DeVos, who has a functional intellect only barely on par with fellow cabinet member "the pyramids were built to store grain" Ben Carson?

 

Licensed and trained by which of trump's (Putin approved) ethically bankrupt "best people"?

 

Unfortunately for trump supporting crackpots, "alternate reality" fairy tales don't cut it in the real world - very much the same way that "thoughts and prayers" have never been demonstrated to have the capacity to prevent bullets from killing people...

 

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@ChasKy53wrote:

@rk9152wrote:

@Panjandromwrote:

rk9152:  No one has proposed arming teachers.

 

 

 

Really? Where have you been? Lol

 

Trump Proposes Arming Teachers With Guns

http://video.ap.org/Trump-Proposes-Arming-Teachers-With-Guns-33566777


Arming and permitting self-arming are two different things. Dig a bit deeper.


They both produce the same thing ........... teachers with guns.  Dig a bit deeper.


Either with guns or with access to guns - true.

 

And the key - only teachers who are licensed, trained and want to be armed so as to be able to defend their students. Deep enough???

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@rk9152wrote:

@Panjandromwrote:

rk9152:  No one has proposed arming teachers.

 

 

 

Really? Where have you been? Lol

 

Trump Proposes Arming Teachers With Guns

http://video.ap.org/Trump-Proposes-Arming-Teachers-With-Guns-33566777


Arming and permitting self-arming are two different things. Dig a bit deeper.


They both produce the same thing ........... teachers with guns.  Dig a bit deeper.


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Arming teachers is probably not going to work a whole lot better than this "carry concealed" video that's based upon the "good guy with a gun" idea that will only have even a snowball's chance of working without many months of training and regular practice...

Admittedly, the video stacked the deck by using tee shirts to make things worse, but the issue of what a person with less than three or more months of training and regular drills backed up with weekly practice for the first year are pretty much the minimum of what's necessary for armed teachers to be able to deal with a surprise attack.

 

Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part One - YouTube

 

The point the video makes is unquestionably valid for marginally trained people - unless they practice until actions are performed without having to think about them - which will never happen - because there's absolutely not a snowball's chance in hell that the teachers will be compensated for - the firearms - an ongoing supply of ammunition - and the time spent practicing and attending refresher courses - all at no cost to them...

 

Police open carry, even though a majority of them never fire their weapon on duty - except to practice at a shooting range in order to remain qualified to carry a weapon.  

The only chance to survive long enough to stop an armed attacker a teacher would have would be if the teacher open carried too.

 

 

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