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@rk9152 wrote:

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It's always satisfying when the voices of "rational people" out number the fascists in this country. 


As always, anyone who disagree with you on any subject is a "fascist".


As always.....another lie posted by "rk".  Epster isn't a fascist; NerdyMom isn't a fascist; Retiredtraveler isn't a fascist; AP isn't a fascist; rker isn't a fascist; Prosecco isn't a fascist; Chas isn't a fascist; afisher isn't a fascist; Biglib isn't a fascist; nyadrn isn't a fascist; Scout isn't a fascist....and there are many more posting her that I've disagreed with over the years that aren't fascists. So again, you've lied, apparently to only attack another.  What a fraud you are....and again, "It's always satisfying when the voices of "rational people" out number the fascists in this country."

 

IMO, many can see the characteristics of fascism in your posts, as well as the other "Fascist Five" and the trump administration.....

 

The 14 characteristics are:

 

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism 
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 

  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights 
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 

  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause 
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 

  4. Supremacy of the Military 
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 

  5. Rampant Sexism 
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. 

  6. Controlled Mass Media 
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 

  7. Obsession with National Security 
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 

  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined 
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 

  9. Corporate Power is Protected 
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 

  10. Labor Power is Suppressed 
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed . 

  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts 
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. 

  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment 
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 

  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption 
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 

  14. Fraudulent Elections 
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Snoopy48 wrote:


Most rational people would be outraged over BOTH the 'swatting game' AND the trigger happy officer.


I would prefer to think that most people would be more objective and try to visualize the terrible situation that police officer found himself in rather than simply write him off as "trigger happy".  Do you really think anyone cares what you "prefer to think"?  I'd bet not.  Secondly, it wasn't a terrible situation; it was a situation that he should have been exceedingly well-trained and he wasn't in danger one-iota.  Facts matter; not what you dream up.


 


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:


It's always satisfying when the voices of "rational people" out number the fascists in this country. 


As always, anyone who disagree with you on any subject is a "fascist".

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

A tragedy for all concerned. Most rational people would be outraged over the "swatting game" but leave it to the police haters to make it one more tool for their cause.

 

I seriously doubt that is a happy police officer going home after that. And as to the "morons", we will have to wait until the official review and report to see if our posters consider them "morons".


Most rational people would be outraged over BOTH the 'swatting game' AND the trigger happy officer.


I would prefer to think that most people would be more objective and try to visualize the terrible situation that police officer found himself in rather than simply write him off as "trigger happy".

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@NerdyMom wrote:

It's all horrible.  According to one report, the man wasn't complying with police orders to put his hands up.  But I can see myself screwing that up, too, if I'm scared about cops showing up at my front door.  I know how they yell and it's not always clear.  (I've had police banging at more door early Sunday morning because of a teen neighbor.  It's not pleasant).  

 

Without knowing more, I'd blame this more on a training issue.   Police get scared just like all people.  And if they are responding to a call where someone is already dead and there is a potential for more, they are going to be on high alert to have to neutralize the guy.   And unfortunately, when they shoot, they must shoot to kill.  With fuel allegedly spilled all around the house, I'm not sure if getting close enough to use tasers was an option.  If they even have tasers. 

 

IMO, the guy in California who called in the swatting call should be charged with murder in this case.  


A wonderful analysis, Nerdy - thank you.

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@Snoopy48 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

A tragedy for all concerned. Most rational people would be outraged over the "swatting game" but leave it to the police haters to make it one more tool for their cause.

 

I seriously doubt that is a happy police officer going home after that. And as to the "morons", we will have to wait until the official review and report to see if our posters consider them "morons".


Most rational people would be outraged over BOTH the 'swatting game' AND the trigger happy officer.


It's always satisfying when the voices of "rational people" out number the fascists in this country. 


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@rk9152 wrote:

A tragedy for all concerned. Most rational people would be outraged over the "swatting game" but leave it to the police haters to make it one more tool for their cause.

 

I seriously doubt that is a happy police officer going home after that. And as to the "morons", we will have to wait until the official review and report to see if our posters consider them "morons".


Most rational people would be outraged over BOTH the 'swatting game' AND the trigger happy officer.

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An UPDATE:

 

The "prankster", the one who called 9-1-1, was arrested today in LA.

 

"Tyler Barriss, 25, was arrested on Friday in connection with the case, Los Angeles police told The Washington Post."

 

Los Angeles man arrested in ‘swatting’ call that preceded fatal police shooting in Kansas

 

Los Angeles police arrested a 25-year-old man in a suspected "swatting" hoax 911 call in Kansas that ended in the fatal police shooting of an unarmed man.

 

The LAPD took Tyler Barriss of Los Angeles into custody in that city on Friday afternoon, on a fugitive warrant stemming from the Thursday evening incident in Kansas, a spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department said.

 

Police in Wichita fatally shot a man identified by family members as Andrew Finch, 28, after officers responded to a hoax 911 call, police in Kansas said.

 

Barriss allegedly made the false report after getting into some kind of dispute with another person in connection with online gaming, and Barriss allegedly gave authorities the address that he believed that person lived at, multiple law enforcement sources told NBC News.

 

But instead the address was for the home of Finch, who was not involved in the dispute, the sources said.

 

The caller claimed his father had been shot in the head, and that he was holding his mother and a sibling at gunpoint, according to police audio played at a press conference in Wichita Friday.

 

Officers surrounded the home bracing for a hostage situation. When the man identified as Finch went to the door police told him to put his hands up, and an officer fired after the man moved his hand toward the area of his waistband, Wichita Deputy Police Chief Troy Livingston said.

 

Finch was unarmed, he said. "Due to the actions of a prankster we have an innocent victim," Livingston said.

 

The officer who fired the single shot, a seven-year veteran of the department, is on paid leave pending an investigation.

 

"We believe this incident is a case of 'swatting,'" Livingston said. He said the shooting was "a tragic and senseless act" and that "the incident is a nightmare for everyone involved, including the family and our police department."

 

The Finch family on Friday allowed reporters inside their home. Lisa Finch told them her son was not a gamer.

 

"What gives the cops the right to open fire?" she asked. "That cop murdered my son over a false report in the first place."

 

Dexerto, an online news service focused on gaming, reported that the series of events began with an online argument over a $1 or $2 wager in a "Call of Duty" game on UMG Gaming, which operates online tournaments including one involving "Call of Duty."

 

Los Angeles man arrested in ‘swatting’ call that preceded fatal police shooting in Kansas


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Want to stop this obscenity? No more "burner phones". To buy a cell phone, you present positive ID and leave a set of fingerprints with the seller, the "copy machine" for fingerprints costs from $150 to $1500. No phones can be manufactured that do not have an automatic GPS locater signal so the 911 operator can verify the exact location of the caller, and if it's NOT the location given for the "swat event", send officers to arrest the pervert making the call.

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@NerdyMom wrote:

It's all horrible.  According to one report, the man wasn't complying with police orders to put his hands up.  But I can see myself screwing that up, too, if I'm scared about cops showing up at my front door.  I know how they yell and it's not always clear.  (I've had police banging at more door early Sunday morning because of a teen neighbor.  It's not pleasant).  Agreed.  But according to reports, he did have his hands up.  I don't know much more than "the reports" but he could have been very out of shape and unable to put his hands up for an extended period of time.  Again, no reason to kill a man.....you don't "shoot to kill" in that situation unless you actually SEE a weapon.  Far too many Americans are killed when cops just "assume".

 

Without knowing more, I'd blame this more on a training issue.   Agreed!  Police get scared just like all people.  Of course they do, BUT, they are the trained one's in this situation.  And if they are responding to a call where someone is already dead presumably,.....and there is a potential for more, they are going to be on high alert to have to neutralize the guy. Neutralize, yes, kill?  NO!  And unfortunately, when they shoot, they must shoot to kill.  With fuel allegedly spilled all around the house, I'm not sure if getting close enough to use tasers was an option.  If they even have tasers. 

 

IMO, the guy in California who called in the swatting call should be charged with murder in this case.  Again, agreed.....at least manslaughter.....he presumably didn't intend to get anyone killed.  Who would have thought the cops would show up and kill someone???  The cops know about "swatting".....


 


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