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The "headline"(title of the topic) is not misleading to anyone understanding plain English that doesn't try to find hidden and accusatory meanings in it that aren't there. The title means what it says and nothing more.

"Detailing the circumstances" can be found in the data base, that's why it was posted.

Personally, I think it's a shame that such a large number need to be killed in just one year. It's an even bigger shame that some were killed unnecessarily.


It's a shame when even one person is killed because they resort to criminal activity. Yes, and a greater shame if they are unarmed yet still killed

 

Regarding the circumstances being found in the details is immaterial, the title leaves another impression.  The title leaves an impression in your mind, not is anyone's mind who reads the title as written and takes it for what it means. This is much like the Grimms fables about a tailor killing seven flies we heard as kids.  Again, in your mind. Anyone reading the actual title for what it means and examining the data base would never compare this to Grimms fables.  It comes across as a misrepresentation about law enforcement .  Again, in your mind and that's a shame. Perhaps the question should be asked why these type threads are made each year more creating false impressions of law enforcement. Why would a data base full of truths create false impressions of anything, even law enforcement?  It is in the mind of the beholder.

 

There seems to be partisan defense from the usual posters for these threads. There seems to be partisanship in some posters making false accusations as to what the topic actually means and what the poster's true intent is. If a conservative posted these threads would the same posters support them? I support any topic or thread that includes real, true, and accurate data (like this one). I can't imagine anyone not supporting such. 


 


Just how many of the 899 (killed) were innocent and shouldn't be killed? I would guess not too many.  The inference by the title of the thread is cops are shooting people willy nilly.


Anyone is free to extrapolate anything they want from the data provided.  But calling other posters "cop haters" is hate speech IMHO.


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If very, very few are inappropriate and the headline says "over 899" - that is dishonest..

 


The title says "the police have killed 899".   It does NOT say they have killed 899 'inappropiately".  So no, the topic is not dishonest. It is dishonest to say that it means something that it doesn't.

 

To make the desired point it would be more honest to address the inappropriate ones. After all, is that not the point - not to celebrate the heroic actions of the police killing people but to object to those who should not have been killed.


 


Ask the person who posted the topic. Then when they answer you honestly you can argue with them.


If you do not have any thoughts, why did you post - kudo hunting??


I just gave you one of my thoughts, have you asked the poster directly yet?


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The list inaccurately paints a negative picture of the police.

Not if one actually looks at the data base instead of just a total number. That's why links are provided to look at the information in data base.  I know that must be confusing for conservatives and so-called independents.


Why put up a misleading headline and require digging down into the data and making your own lists to determine the truth?

 

It is obviously intended to convey a false impression. 


Why is the truth a "misleading headline" to you? That was the total number of people the police had killed when the topic was posted. Now it is 937. Nothing but laziness prevents a person from looking at the data to determine why. Are conservatives that lazy?


My dad killed a man.  Should we think harshly of him, after all, it is a fact.

 

As to lazy - when one puts up a headline, it usually conveys the message they intend. Others should not be required to delve deep into the stats to get the real meaning. I do not object to "delving". I am commenting on the purpose behind the headline in the first place.


Your dad has nothing to do with this.

 

No one thinks badly of police as a whole, they perhaps feel badly about the ones that unnecessarily shoot and kill someone.

 

The purpose behind the data base is to inform people. The "headline" (actually the title of the topic) is the total number that have been killed by the police this year ...... it is that and nothing more. Too bad blind hatred induces Conservatives to try and read something into it that isn't there.


Of course he does. It illustrates that circumstances not just raw numbers are needed to properly convey an honest message.

 

The headline and topic convey an dishonest message.


"Of course he does"? You can mind read then?   

 

The "message" is that 937 have been killed by the police this year. The data base shows that some were killed unnecessarily and that the majority weren't. 

 

Why do you try to extrapolate anything different?  Seems partisan to me.


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

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The "headline"(title of the topic) is not misleading to anyone understanding plain English that doesn't try to find hidden and accusatory meanings in it that aren't there. The title means what it says and nothing more.

"Detailing the circumstances" can be found in the data base, that's why it was posted.

Personally, I think it's a shame that such a large number need to be killed in just one year. It's an even bigger shame that some were killed unnecessarily.


It's a shame when even one person is killed because they resort to criminal activity. Yes, and a greater shame if they are unarmed yet still killed

 

Regarding the circumstances being found in the details is immaterial, the title leaves another impression.  The title leaves an impression in your mind, not is anyone's mind who reads the title as written and takes it for what it means. This is much like the Grimms fables about a tailor killing seven flies we heard as kids.  Again, in your mind. Anyone reading the actual title for what it means and examining the data base would never compare this to Grimms fables.  It comes across as a misrepresentation about law enforcement .  Again, in your mind and that's a shame. Perhaps the question should be asked why these type threads are made each year more creating false impressions of law enforcement. Why would a data base full of truths create false impressions of anything, even law enforcement?  It is in the mind of the beholder.

 

There seems to be partisan defense from the usual posters for these threads. There seems to be partisanship in some posters making false accusations as to what the topic actually means and what the poster's true intent is. If a conservative posted these threads would the same posters support them? I support any topic or thread that includes real, true, and accurate data (like this one). I can't imagine anyone not supporting such. 


 


Just how many of the 899 (killed) were innocent and shouldn't be killed? I would guess not too many.  The inference by the title of the thread is cops are shooting people willy nilly.

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The "headline"(title of the topic) is not misleading to anyone understanding plain English that doesn't try to find hidden and accusatory meanings in it that aren't there. The title means what it says and nothing more.

"Detailing the circumstances" can be found in the data base, that's why it was posted.

Personally, I think it's a shame that such a large number need to be killed in just one year. It's an even bigger shame that some were killed unnecessarily.


It's a shame when even one person is killed because they resort to criminal activity. Yes, and a greater shame if they are unarmed yet still killed

 

Regarding the circumstances being found in the details is immaterial, the title leaves another impression.  The title leaves an impression in your mind, not is anyone's mind who reads the title as written and takes it for what it means. This is much like the Grimms fables about a tailor killing seven flies we heard as kids.  Again, in your mind. Anyone reading the actual title for what it means and examining the data base would never compare this to Grimms fables.  It comes across as a misrepresentation about law enforcement .  Again, in your mind and that's a shame. Perhaps the question should be asked why these type threads are made each year more creating false impressions of law enforcement. Why would a data base full of truths create false impressions of anything, even law enforcement?  It is in the mind of the beholder.

 

There seems to be partisan defense from the usual posters for these threads. There seems to be partisanship in some posters making false accusations as to what the topic actually means and what the poster's true intent is. If a conservative posted these threads would the same posters support them? I support any topic or thread that includes real, true, and accurate data (like this one). I can't imagine anyone not supporting such. 


 


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  One of the recent cases of a cop being killed was by friendly fire ( aka shot by one of their own)...does that count.    When someone attempts to argue that the number is "wrong", then how many would they suggest is the accurate number of people shot /killed by police.   

 

https://abc7.com/thousand-oaks-mass-shooting-sheriffs-sergeant-was-killed-by-friendly-fire/4853702/


It isn't a matter of "how many" lumped into one figure. Honesty would require division that separates out the "unjustified". That would give the cop-haters honest information to make their point.

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  One of the recent cases of a cop being killed was by friendly fire ( aka shot by one of their own)...does that count.    When someone attempts to argue that the number is "wrong", then how many would they suggest is the accurate number of people shot /killed by police.   

 

https://abc7.com/thousand-oaks-mass-shooting-sheriffs-sergeant-was-killed-by-friendly-fire/4853702/

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The headline tends to be misleading.  Only to those who can't read past a factual headline...and thinks a factual headline contains all the relevant information one needs to (or wants to) know.....


 


Ok, what would one learn by reading past a 'factual' headline?  What revelant information is contained in doing so?

 

Let's look at what is contained in the database... 937 individual instances of someone being killed by police under different circumstances in different localities.  Neither the originator of these threads nor the Washington Post has indicated whether the shooting might be justified.

 

Further "the factual headline" leaves the impression that police are trigger-happy, just as the continual postings every year on the topic leaves the impression that someone has a grudge against law enforcement officers.

 

Data and statistics can be used to prove almost anything, depending on how they are presented.  In this case my opinion is that they are used incorrectly.

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And there it is - the silly picture and the giggle.

 

Yep, as silly as those who still don't "get" the intent of the Washington Post database.  Of course, we should recognize these are often the same as the sub-group (lol) that think if trump conspired with the Russian, that's no big deal.....and they're always worth a giggle.

 

“You start to realize that really, the Second Amendment is not intended for black people,” Trevor Noah said on Tuesday. “It’s an uncomfortable thing to say, but it’s the truth.”

 

Trevor Noah Is Outraged Over Alabama Police’s Killing of Black Army Veteran

 

Yeah, Trevor....the Right think the Constitution only applies to white America....and it's only gotten worse under the fascist trump and his white hate groups.


 


"...to white America" - what's this are we going from cop-hating to SBLM?

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If very, very few are inappropriate and the headline says "over 899" - that is dishonest..

 


The title says "the police have killed 899".   It does NOT say they have killed 899 'inappropiately".  So no, the topic is not dishonest. It is dishonest to say that it means something that it doesn't.

 

To make the desired point it would be more honest to address the inappropriate ones. After all, is that not the point - not to celebrate the heroic actions of the police killing people but to object to those who should not have been killed.


 


Ask the person who posted the topic. Then when they answer you honestly you can argue with them.


If you do not have any thoughts, why did you post - kudo hunting??

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