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Over 2,200 Nursing Home Deaths- Federal Gov Doesn't Track Them

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More than 2,200 coronavirus deaths in nursing homes, but federal government isn't tracking them
The numbers are likely a significant undercount, given the limited access to testing and other constraints, state officials and public health experts say.
Nursing home residents are among those most likely to die from the coronavirus.
Nursing home residents are among those most likely to die from the coronavirus. Chelsea Stahl / NBC News; Getty Images
 
April 10, 2020, 3:07 PM CDT / Updated April 10, 2020, 5:33 PM CDT
By Suzy Khimm, Laura Strickler, Andrew Blankstein and Peter Georgiev

 

Nearly 2,500 long-term care facilities in 36 states are battling coronavirus cases, according to data gathered by NBC News from state agencies, an explosive increase of 522 percent compared to a federal tally just 10 days ago.

The total dwarfs the last federal estimate on March 30 — based on “informal outreach” to state health departments — that more than 400 nursing homes had at least one case of the virus.

 

The full scale of the virus’ impact is even greater than NBC News’ tally, as key states including Florida did not provide data, and nursing homes across the United States are still struggling for access to testing.

 

The toll of these outbreaks is growing. NBC News tallied 2,246 deaths associated with long-term care facilities, based on responses from 24 states. This, too, is an undercount; about half of all states said they could not provide data on nursing home deaths, or declined to do so. Some states said they do not track these deaths at all.

 

Nursing home residents are among those most likely to die from the coronavirus, given their advanced age and the prevalence of other health conditions. But the federal government does not keep a formal tally of the number of coronavirus deaths in nursing homes or the number of facilities with infections, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.

Experts say more comprehensive data is critical to battling the virus and understanding why it is spreading faster in some nursing homes than others.

“It’s impossible to fight and contain this virus if we don’t know where it’s located,” said David Grabowski, a professor of health care policy at Harvard Medical School, who added that more information-gathering and transparency could help protect against future outbreaks. “You could see where it could be headed next,” he said.

 

 

Toby Edelman, senior policy attorney at the Center for Medicare Advocacy, a nonpartisan legal advocacy organization, agreed.

“It’s critical to have accurate information about which nursing homes have residents with confirmed cases of COVID-19,” she said, referring to the disease caused by the coronavirus, “and which facilities need more staff and personal protective equipment, so that states can target additional resources where the need is greatest.”

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services — the division of the federal government that oversees long-term care facilities — said states must comply with state and local reporting requirements for coronavirus cases. The agency referred questions to the CDC, which declined to comment.


Absent federal reporting requirements, there is large variation in state efforts to gather information on coronavirus infections in nursing homes and their willingness to disclose it.

Nearly 60 percent of the deaths tallied by NBC News occurred in New York, where more than 1,300 residents of nursing homes and assisted living facilities have died, according to the state health department. In Washington state, which had the country’s first nursing home outbreak, there are 221 deaths associated with long-term care facilities. Illinois, Louisiana, New Jersey and Connecticut all reported more than 100 deaths.

The death tolls in most states include only nursing home residents. But a few states, such as Washington, include staff members.

 
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Sixteen states released the names of the nursing homes with infections. Some states have only published such details after public pressure for greater disclosure. Two Democratic senators sent a letter to federal health officials last week demanding a complete list of affected U.S. facilities.

Maryland and Ohio declined to release the names of affected facilities or the total number of nursing home deaths because of state privacy laws, state officials said, despite an outbreak that has killed 18 residents in a single Maryland nursing home and at least 40 nursing home deaths in Ohio.

Georgia provided a list naming the facilities with infections, but declined to specify the numbers of coronavirus cases and deaths in nursing homes because the figures were “too dynamic,” according to Nancy Nydam, a state health department spokeswoman.


Some states, however, said they lacked the technology and resources to gather basic information on nursing home infections and deaths.

“This is not information consistently entered into the Michigan Disease Surveillance System reporting system by local health departments, and we don’t currently have the infrastructure within that system to collect the information and report it out,” said Lynn Sutfin, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.

Kansas, South Dakota, Alaska and Washington, D.C., did not respond to requests for data.

Nevada, for example, reported 20 long-term care facilities with COVID-19 infections, but said the data only reflected facilities “that proactively reported symptomatic staff and residents and have had laboratory-confirmed cases or suspect cases with laboratory testing in process,” according to a document provided by the Nevada Division of Public and Behavioral Health.

“Universal testing for COVID-19 is not available for all staff and residents,” the Nevada document added.

The same obstacles also mean that many coronavirus deaths are not being counted nationwide.

 

Meanwhile, the virus has continued to rage through nursing homes across the country, many of which lack adequate equipment to protect their residents and staff.

A leading industry group said that more data would not affect nursing homes’ response to the crisis.

“We are suggesting that providers act as if COVID is already in their building, even if there are not confirmed cases,” the American Health Care Association, which represents nursing homes, said in a statement. “While more data is helpful, knowing the number of infections will not change the way our providers are reacting to prevent and contain the spread of the virus.”

 

In the Atlanta area, coronavirus cases are quickly rising, and eight nursing home residents have died as of Friday, according to the Fulton County Board of Health.

“At first, it was just a trickle, and it seems like it just multiplied dramatically over the last week or so,” Dr. S. Elizabeth Ford, the county’s interim district health director, said. “We need to know where the clusters are so we can direct those resources.”

 

See data maps at link:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-2-200-coronavirus-deaths-nursing-homes-federal-government-...


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www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/massachusetts-veteran-home-coronavirus-deaths/index.html

As of Monday, 27 veterans have died from the virus and a total of 1,166 veterans have tested positive, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. 
 

 

 

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@JANMB wrote:

 

www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/massachusetts-veteran-home-coronavirus-deaths/index.html

As of Monday, 27 veterans have died from the virus and a total of 1,166 veterans have tested positive, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. 
 

 

 


I guess to certain trump supporters those lives didn't matter as much either?


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    Oh My....the cognitive dissociation of the ignoble donald supporters is shocking.    Their 'rational" appears to be first, spend lots of time ignoring this virus, ignores the original WHO announcement  on Jan 30 - is that CYA  for Donald.     Then they climb on board the "it is okay for seniors to die" band wagon.  

    They really want to distract from the basic problem that they don't want to know anything that will undermind donald in nov.    When there is insufficient US data on the actual deaths, then it allows them to try and make donald a winner - see how few deaths.     Wowzer.    

    The applauded him when he said that he takes no responsibility for the viral pandemic in the US and then says that he will call for opening up the US economy by ignoring all professional advice - ie taking full responsiblity.   

 

     Here in TX there are 29M people.     Covid19 testing has been performed on 106K, which is 0.3% of the population.     Anywho believes that there is an accurate idea of the infection rate had to be taking hallucinogenic drugs.   

 

     Here is the Nursing Home story from TX, where a GOP physician has decided to treat patients drugs 'recommended by donald".    https://www.npr.org/2020/04/10/830348837/covid-19-patients-given-unproven-drug-in-texas-nursing-home...

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Many of those people died a short time before they would have died without coronavirus.  The death of someone who died of coronavirus one second before they would have died anyway isn't as important as the death of someone who died 70 years before they would have died anyway.  Thus, a more important metric would be the total time that people's lives are shortened due to coronavirus.  But, that that metric is impossible to measure is no reason to pretend that the easily measured number of deaths in nursing homes due to coronavirus is very important.

 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

Many of those people died a short time before they would have died without coronavirus.  The death of someone who died of coronavirus one second before they would have died anyway isn't as important as the death of someone who died 70 years before they would have died anyway.  Thus, a more important metric would be the total time that people's lives are shortened due to coronavirus.  But, that that metric is impossible to measure is no reason to pretend that the easily measured number of deaths in nursing homes due to coronavirus is very important.

 


This is one of the ugliest posts I've ever read on here.  These folks died alone, with no loved ones, and it's a horrible, often painful death.   Nobody deserves that.  Doesn't matter how long they've been on this earth.   

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aruzinsky:   Many of those people died a short time before they would have died without coronavirus. The death of someone who died of coronavirus one second before they would have died anyway isn't as important as the death of someone who died 70 years before they would have died anyway. 

 

 

I doubt I've ever seen such empathy........it must be painful to care that much for others. Its not cost effective to put sick seniors who don't have much time left in expensive facilities until they die, so why do we do it when much younger people could use those resources? There must be a better way to deal with them, but now with global warming there is a shortage of ice floes. Darn.

 

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@Panjandrum wrote:

aruzinsky:   Many of those people died a short time before they would have died without coronavirus. The death of someone who died of coronavirus one second before they would have died anyway isn't as important as the death of someone who died 70 years before they would have died anyway. 

 

 

I doubt I've ever seen such empathy........it must be painful to care that much for others. Its not cost effective to put sick seniors who don't have much time left in expensive facilities until they die, so why do we do it when much younger people could use those resources? There must be a better way to deal with them, but now with global warming there is a shortage of ice floes. Darn.

 

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It almost seems that some trump supporters consider it worthwhile to let our seniors in nursing homes die so that they don't take up so many of our resources. Resources above human life ...... how disgusting and immoral that is. No surprise, after all they support such an immoral and disgusting man.


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ChasKy53:  It almost seems that some trump supporters consider it worthwhile to let our seniors in nursing homes die so that they don't take up so many of our resources. Resources above human life ...... how disgusting and immoral that is.

 

 

 

Yes, it's immoral on steroids. But how ironic is it to be coming from the same people who squawked incessantly about "death panels" for seniors when the ACA was being discussed? I'm more convinced by the day that the Mole People aren't just a myth.

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@Panjandrum wrote:

ChasKy53:  It almost seems that some trump supporters consider it worthwhile to let our seniors in nursing homes die so that they don't take up so many of our resources. Resources above human life ...... how disgusting and immoral that is.

 

 

 

Yes, it's immoral on steroids. But how ironic is it to be coming from the same people who squawked incessantly about "death panels" for seniors when the ACA was being discussed? I'm more convinced by the day that the Mole People aren't just a myth.


"Almost seems" begets "immoral on steroids" in the illogical minds of liberals.

 

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Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 


But I thought that to the Right  "all lives matter"?  Or was that not "the truth"?


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 


But I thought that to the Right  "all lives matter"?  Or was that not "the truth"?


It is true but that is not to say, "all lives matter equally."

 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 


But I thought that to the Right  "all lives matter"?  Or was that not "the truth"?


It is true but that is not to say, "all lives matter equally."

 


We already know that by the way the the Far Right treats Blacks, Latinos, Women, etc.

 

So their "all lives matter" slogan was a lie, right?


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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 


But I thought that to the Right  "all lives matter"?  Or was that not "the truth"?


It is true but that is not to say, "all lives matter equally."

 


We already know that by the way the the Far Right treats Blacks, Latinos, Women, etc.

 

So their "all lives matter" slogan was a lie, right?


Wrong.

 

 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 


But I thought that to the Right  "all lives matter"?  Or was that not "the truth"?


It is true but that is not to say, "all lives matter equally."

 


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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@ManicProgressive wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 


But I thought that to the Right  "all lives matter"?  Or was that not "the truth"?


It is true but that is not to say, "all lives matter equally."

 


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


"Created equal" doesn't imply "die equal."  Otherwise, how do you explain Obama's execution of Osama Bin Laden?

 

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@aruzinsky wrote:

@ManicProgressive wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@aruzinsky wrote:

Liberals call the truth "ugly," "deplorable," etc. when they cannot logically refute the truth.  That is part of the the immoral peer pressure tactics that they use to spread their diseased philosophy.

 


But I thought that to the Right  "all lives matter"?  Or was that not "the truth"?


It is true but that is not to say, "all lives matter equally."

 


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


"Created equal" doesn't imply "die equal."  Otherwise, how do you explain Obama's execution of Osama Bin Laden?

 


Bin Laden chose how he wanted to die.  And arguably, a near-instant death by a firing squad is preferable to days or weeks of suffering with COVID. 

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Here is something for all to think about. Look at the far right over the last 2,020 years. Today is Easter and what happened on Easter was a far right govt. of that time. Kings and such were all far right govt. When religions were formed sadly a lot of them joined the kings and we had the crusades. Killing people was a hallmark of the far right govt from day one. We had WW1, WW2 from far right govt. Our country was formed by breaking away from a far right Govt., and the far right govt. killed how many of our people then, but in the end the far right lost and the USA was formed. In the USA we have a 2 party system, but until Tea Party time we had far right, and far left in both parties so that kept the parties really center left, or center right and you can have good govt which in the long run helps all, and the far right killing stops. The US became a world leader due to than, and what we were doing spread world wide. Nixon started the change with his policy to move the Reb. right. He got the far right Dems in the south to become Reb., and far left Reb. became Dems. That movement really sped up when Obama became our first black president. There was a big part of the Reb. who could not accept that and they became the Tea Party section of the Reb. They found a new leader in Trump who  believed in only himself, and used people for his gain. He had money from his father, failed in business and was really a Mob Boss NYC style. He used the Tea Party to take over the Reb. party. He told people what ever they wanted to hear, and you found Ev. Christians backing him when he broke everything they believed in. The KKK and other racist groups were on board, and he got business people backing by promising more for the rich, corp. He won an electoral election by a few votes while loosing the total people vote by 3 million. With that the far right was back and so was they way they always governed. Killing was ok as a method to reach your goals. We saw the journalist killed in Turkey by SA with a green light from Trump. We saw Kurds killed as Trump carried out another plan. We saw people (kids) killed at our southern border, and who knows how many others. People were killed as Trump hid the virus from us, now plans to reopen the country on Trump terms will kill more people (a lot of Seniors). Our elections will do the same. We saw in WI the other day people forced to stand in line in bad weather and virus to vote. We will never know how many died. Trumps (far right reb.) reaction to the virus like allowing large group events under cover of church services, doing nothing about senior homes, etc all have a death factor. Now plans are under way to reopen our country to business without agreement of medical experts which means there is a death factor in them. Lets see if that changes. We can all hope it does. Fall elections if held or not held will have a death factor in them as everything the far right does has it. Trump is now their leader, but in time he will pass but they will not so if you want to move to a better life control the entire far right Reb.

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well this is SHOCKING!!!

 

Trump retweets 'Fire Fauci' 

why on Earth would he want to do that????!!!!

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ChasKy53:   It almost seems that some trump supporters consider it worthwhile to let our seniors in nursing homes die so that they don't take up so many of our resources. Resources above human life ...... how disgusting and immoral that is. No surprise, after all they support such an immoral and disgusting man.

 

 

 

I've always said that Hillary was far too kind when she called them "deplorable".

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