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So then ....... explain what "Socialism light" is and what it can lead to. Since you cannot rationally offer such an explanation without knowing what Socialism is, could you give your definition of it?


So then....have you not been reading my posts?


So then ........... what is your definition of Socialism?


So then.....there is no point in my repeating if you refuse to read.

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The topic?  I guess our ignorance of Socialism is dangerous since: 
  • Conservatives can not define the term
  • Conservatives believe that more efficient, cost effective, and more effective ways of delivering services as demonstrated by real world experiences must be "Socialist" for reasons they cannot articulate. 
  • Conservatives believe every liberal is a socialist. This is a bit like claiming every liberal is a member of Antifa (of course, we all WANT to be)
  • Conservatives continue to distribute this misinformation. 

Any possibility that we could honestly look at the reality that due to various degrees and definitions PEOPLE do not understand the meaning and potential dangers of Socialism?

 

There is no need to mind read and claim to know what others are thinking in an honest discussion. In that instance a PERSON states what they think.

 

I congratulate jim on trying to get an interesting discussion going. But it has become obvious that some only get defensive when the topic comes up. I don't understand why - the antithesis is Free Market Capitalism and I gladly state and defend my approval of it.


Speaking of interesting, honest, and adult discussion:

 

Since you accuse so many of either being a Socialist, or supporting Socialism, what do you think Socialism is?


Have you not been reading my posts?


What is your definition of Socialism?


Previously offered in my posts.

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No way Rk! We are not socialists, neo marxists, or communist, just Patriotic Americans. and Russians in the USSR were patriotic Russians and Cubans under Fidel were patriotic Cubans, etc. - your point??? If you wish to believe otherwise, please do. But be careful, you may be a socialist, per your position, especially if you support the social welfare program of tax cuts for the  wealthy...what has tax cuts for tax payers to do with Socialism??Social Security, Healthcare, use interstate roadways, power from dams, Military protection, Police protection, government facilities, etc?

As I pointed out - public libraries is the far end of the way some define Socialism. Others describe it as all property and value being held equally by the people.

And the countries that Jimc mentioned have been socialist/communist states that transitioned to full authoritarian dictatorships. Of course that’s not much of a leap since the heads of those particular states are in reality dictators anyway, who have total control in their country....to lie, steal, jail, or kill...really nice folks, huh!

 

 

Never Forget that it was Socialism in many cases that led  to dictators getting their power.


 

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It’s simple, they have no definition for us as socialists, which we are not, nor can they define it. By not letting them use it as a label, or to weaponize it, we frustrate the right wingers...Good!

They run around in circles trying to claim that we are not Patriots...classic projection...we are, if they follow trump, they are not!

 

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@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


So then ....... explain what "Socialism light" is and what it can lead to. Since you cannot rationally offer such an explanation without knowing what Socialism is, could you give your definition of it?


So then....have you not been reading my posts?


So then ........... what is your definition of Socialism?


I believe their definition of socialism must be "that which does not benefit the rich and powerful". As in "You can't implement that policy, IT'S SOCIALISM". No further definition required.  

 

Note to those on the right, feel free to correct me with your actual definition of socialism <insert sound of crickets here>. 

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@rker321 wrote:

Yes Jim  you are correct. the biggest danger for the Trump Followers and the so called Right is the fact that they have no idea  as to what constitute a socialist type of government. Perhaps if they bother to learn what is Socialism they would be able to understand how terribly   ignorant they are about this subject.


The definition of Socialism has been posted here many times for them to see.  They ignore it or simply deny it. They have to because the true definition takes away their ability to use use it as a description of what we have in America or what anyone wants in America.


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:


So then ....... explain what "Socialism light" is and what it can lead to. Since you cannot rationally offer such an explanation without knowing what Socialism is, could you give your definition of it?


So then....have you not been reading my posts?


So then ........... what is your definition of Socialism?


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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@rk9152 wrote:

@ChasKy53 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Richva wrote:

The topic?  I guess our ignorance of Socialism is dangerous since: 
  • Conservatives can not define the term
  • Conservatives believe that more efficient, cost effective, and more effective ways of delivering services as demonstrated by real world experiences must be "Socialist" for reasons they cannot articulate. 
  • Conservatives believe every liberal is a socialist. This is a bit like claiming every liberal is a member of Antifa (of course, we all WANT to be)
  • Conservatives continue to distribute this misinformation. 

Any possibility that we could honestly look at the reality that due to various degrees and definitions PEOPLE do not understand the meaning and potential dangers of Socialism?

 

There is no need to mind read and claim to know what others are thinking in an honest discussion. In that instance a PERSON states what they think.

 

I congratulate jim on trying to get an interesting discussion going. But it has become obvious that some only get defensive when the topic comes up. I don't understand why - the antithesis is Free Market Capitalism and I gladly state and defend my approval of it.


Speaking of interesting, honest, and adult discussion:

 

Since you accuse so many of either being a Socialist, or supporting Socialism, what do you think Socialism is?


Have you not been reading my posts?


What is your definition of Socialism?


"The only thing man learns from history is man learns nothing from history"
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No way Rk! We are not socialists, neo marxists, or communist, just Patriotic Americans. If you wish to believe otherwise, please do. But be careful, you may be a socialist, per your position, especially if you support the social welfare program of tax cuts for the wealthy...Social Security, Healthcare, use interstate roadways, power from dams, Military protection, Police protection, government facilities, etc?

And the countries that Jimc mentioned have been socialist/communist states that transitioned to full authoritarian dictatorships. Of course that’s not much of a leap since the heads of those particular states are in reality dictators anyway, who have total control in their country....to lie, steal, jail, or kill...really nice folks, huh!

 

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@rker321 wrote:

Yes Jim  you are correct. the biggest danger for the Trump Followers and the so called Right is the fact that they have no idea  as to what constitute a socialist type of government. Perhaps if they bother to learn what is Socialism they would be able to understand how terribly   ignorant they are about this subject.


If we are wrong, perhaps you'd like to define Socialism for the board members.

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