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Your definition of Socialism is arbitrary and capricious.  Most Americans want health care, pension plans that move as they do, child care, old age care.  Your definition of socialism would preclude interstate highways and a government sponsored military. 

 

Stop trying to win by changing the definitions and argue the policy points.  You will lose every time on those grounds, of course, but it is the honorable thing to do. 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

NOT seems to think once the rich have stolen the money from the unrich, they should be allowed to keep it ALL, and the fact they have to pay tax on their swag is unfair.

I would disagree and suggest we return to the tax system that promoted an equable distribution of new income and wealth instead of advancing the destruction of the Middle Class as has been the case since 1985.


When 71% of all income tax monies are collected, it comes from those you detest most - the top 10% earners. By what stretch of the imagination do you think that the bottom 90% are subsidizing the top 10%? Your definition of fair is NOT fair. When you pay zero taxes, that you consider fair!

 

BTW, wealth is not taxed yet your post seems to indicate you think it should. Those that save get punished by liberals. Those that squander their money get other people's money, right?

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

For 40 years following WWII, the GOPerLords could condemn an opponent by calling him or her a Commie. There was some justification based on the brutal dictatorship that ruled the USSR and East Bloc, but none of that had anything to do with "communism", except in the literature.

 

Then the Soviet Empire fell and most of its pieces wound up rejecting Communism, even as a label for Totalitarianism, so now calling someone a Commie has little impact, except to expose how backward the caller is in their political thinking.

 

Here's the problem for GOPerLords. People want a better life for themselves and a MUCH better life for their kids. From 1940 to 1985, that is what the USA offered, but since the Reagan taxscam all the "new" income and wealth being created has gone to those in the top 10% and the non-supervisory workers are making LESS than their counterparts did back in the 1960's.

 

The danger America faces is NOT that we may provide all citizens with excellent health care, that profits created by the workers will be shared with those workers, that workweeks shorten and retirement comes earlier or that education will be come available to all as it was until the mid 1980's.

 

The danger is that the continuing redistribution of income and wealth from the bottom 90% will turn our democracy into an Corporate Oligarchy with everyone dependant on the whims of the Lords of Wall Street for our health care, education and retirement.


Well, since allowing people to keep a bit more of what they earned resulted in a near ruination of our nation, maybe we need a system in which all the money is owned by the government and it distributes it based on it's perception of need. 

 

Watta ya think???


Think you're still in denial.

 

It's NOT letting the bottom 90% "keep a bit more of what they earned" that has ruined the Nation because THAT has never happened.

 

What DID happen is the top 10% kept ALL the increase in profits earned by the bottom 90% for the past 40 years. The real wages of non-supervisory personnel has not budged since the Reagan Taxscam, but SUPERVISORY pay has jumped 300%.

 

THAT has ruined the Nation and moved us from #1 to the mid-20's in just about every measure of desirable attributes - our LIFE EXPECTENCY has DECREASED for the last 2 years while the rest of the civilized World is still INCREASING.

 

But Fox has told the Cult 45 everything's peachy with lil donny running the show, so they ignore reality and continue to gather for worship at his tiny feet.

 


FYI-"The top 10 percent of income earners, those having an adjusted gross income over $138,031, pay about 70.6 percent of federal income taxes."

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/10/18/rich-pay-fair-share-numbers/

 

The bottom 90% are getting a free ride!


Are YOU getting a "free ride"?  BTW.....

 

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No, but I'm sure you are.  BTW, the least you should do when criticizing the source is use the correct source (Daily Signal).  Use any source you want (try Google) and see the same results!

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@NOTHAPPENING wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

For 40 years following WWII, the GOPerLords could condemn an opponent by calling him or her a Commie. There was some justification based on the brutal dictatorship that ruled the USSR and East Bloc, but none of that had anything to do with "communism", except in the literature.

 

Then the Soviet Empire fell and most of its pieces wound up rejecting Communism, even as a label for Totalitarianism, so now calling someone a Commie has little impact, except to expose how backward the caller is in their political thinking.

 

Here's the problem for GOPerLords. People want a better life for themselves and a MUCH better life for their kids. From 1940 to 1985, that is what the USA offered, but since the Reagan taxscam all the "new" income and wealth being created has gone to those in the top 10% and the non-supervisory workers are making LESS than their counterparts did back in the 1960's.

 

The danger America faces is NOT that we may provide all citizens with excellent health care, that profits created by the workers will be shared with those workers, that workweeks shorten and retirement comes earlier or that education will be come available to all as it was until the mid 1980's.

 

The danger is that the continuing redistribution of income and wealth from the bottom 90% will turn our democracy into an Corporate Oligarchy with everyone dependant on the whims of the Lords of Wall Street for our health care, education and retirement.


Well, since allowing people to keep a bit more of what they earned resulted in a near ruination of our nation, maybe we need a system in which all the money is owned by the government and it distributes it based on it's perception of need. 

 

Watta ya think???


Think you're still in denial.

 

It's NOT letting the bottom 90% "keep a bit more of what they earned" that has ruined the Nation because THAT has never happened.

 

What DID happen is the top 10% kept ALL the increase in profits earned by the bottom 90% for the past 40 years. The real wages of non-supervisory personnel has not budged since the Reagan Taxscam, but SUPERVISORY pay has jumped 300%.

 

THAT has ruined the Nation and moved us from #1 to the mid-20's in just about every measure of desirable attributes - our LIFE EXPECTENCY has DECREASED for the last 2 years while the rest of the civilized World is still INCREASING.

 

But Fox has told the Cult 45 everything's peachy with lil donny running the show, so they ignore reality and continue to gather for worship at his tiny feet.

 


FYI-"The top 10 percent of income earners, those having an adjusted gross income over $138,031, pay about 70.6 percent of federal income taxes."

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/10/18/rich-pay-fair-share-numbers/

 

The bottom 90% are getting a free ride!


Are YOU getting a "free ride"?  BTW.....

 

Daily Caller

 
 
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"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

For 40 years following WWII, the GOPerLords could condemn an opponent by calling him or her a Commie. There was some justification based on the brutal dictatorship that ruled the USSR and East Bloc, but none of that had anything to do with "communism", except in the literature.

 

Then the Soviet Empire fell and most of its pieces wound up rejecting Communism, even as a label for Totalitarianism, so now calling someone a Commie has little impact, except to expose how backward the caller is in their political thinking.

 

Here's the problem for GOPerLords. People want a better life for themselves and a MUCH better life for their kids. From 1940 to 1985, that is what the USA offered, but since the Reagan taxscam all the "new" income and wealth being created has gone to those in the top 10% and the non-supervisory workers are making LESS than their counterparts did back in the 1960's.

 

The danger America faces is NOT that we may provide all citizens with excellent health care, that profits created by the workers will be shared with those workers, that workweeks shorten and retirement comes earlier or that education will be come available to all as it was until the mid 1980's.

 

The danger is that the continuing redistribution of income and wealth from the bottom 90% will turn our democracy into an Corporate Oligarchy with everyone dependant on the whims of the Lords of Wall Street for our health care, education and retirement.


Well, since allowing people to keep a bit more of what they earned resulted in a near ruination of our nation, maybe we need a system in which all the money is owned by the government and it distributes it based on it's perception of need. 

 

Watta ya think???


Think you're still in denial.

 

Ya think?

 


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@Centristsin2010 wrote:

Given the current resident in the WHITE HOUSE, I'd suggest our collective ignorance of fascim is far more dangerous.


Yes, that is the Party Line oft repeated on MSNBC, CNN, etal And you know that because you are open-minded and watch them all he time to understand different views, right?  Or that's what Limblah said.....yet it is without meaning.  No, it isn't.  But those who support fascist, authoritative dictators do their best to cover for them....

 A while back the official list of "why it is so" was posted and it contained nonsense like the people love him and he gets up early in the morning (or was that when he was a Nazi - it's hard to keep it straight).  Seems like there is a LOT the Culties can't keep straight....  Here, let me help you out....

 

"Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology, though it can be opportunistic. Nationalism: Fascism places a very strong emphasis on patriotism and nationalism. Criticism of the nation's main ideals, like human rights, the Constitution, equal rights, especially war, is lambasted as unpatriotic at best, and treason at worst."

 

And one can see there is no mention of Hitler or Mussolini.....ya see, it isn't as hard as you claim it is to understand very simple definitions.

 

In reality, there is nothing to equate with fascism. A good example - the President is a supporter of free market Capitalism as illustrated by his removal of Obama placed regulations. Fascism is an economy controlled by the government.  Like trump's tariffs, impending record debt and deficits....to get his wealthy family unneeded tax cuts.

 

Now, if anyone would like to try another topic on why the President is a fascist, it might make for interesting exchanges. Why, do you need practice defending him?  Fact is, trump dictates the winners and losers with tariffs, threats like to GM, whining about the NFL rules, Amazon, USPS, etc.  They aren't allowed to be a "free" from the fascist pig.  But it's always cute to watch you defend him.

 


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NOT seems to think once the rich have stolen the money from the unrich, they should be allowed to keep it ALL, and the fact they have to pay tax on their swag is unfair.

I would disagree and suggest we return to the tax system that promoted an equable distribution of new income and wealth instead of advancing the destruction of the Middle Class as has been the case since 1985.

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@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote: 

But Fox has told the Cult 45 everything's peachy with lil donny running the show, so they ignore reality and continue to gather for worship at his tiny feet.

 

Forget the President's feet and Fox. Get past the "cult" and the GOPerLords. Move past the USSR and the Reagan tax cuts. Ignore all the double talk and address the issue - do you consider yourself to be a Socialist?

 


 


Stooping to insult to divert the topic again I see. There's no getting past reality, and reality is that Republcians have used lies about Socialism to redistribute wealth from the Middle Class to the very top of the 1% since the dawn of the 20th Century. Time to reverse that flow and let the people who create the wealth share the wealth.

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@Olderscout66 wrote: 

But Fox has told the Cult 45 everything's peachy with lil donny running the show, so they ignore reality and continue to gather for worship at his tiny feet.

 

Forget the President's feet and Fox. Get past the "cult" and the GOPerLords. Move past the USSR and the Reagan tax cuts. Ignore all the double talk and address the issue - do you consider yourself to be a Socialist?

 


 

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@Olderscout66 wrote:

@rk9152 wrote:

@Olderscout66 wrote:

For 40 years following WWII, the GOPerLords could condemn an opponent by calling him or her a Commie. There was some justification based on the brutal dictatorship that ruled the USSR and East Bloc, but none of that had anything to do with "communism", except in the literature.

 

Then the Soviet Empire fell and most of its pieces wound up rejecting Communism, even as a label for Totalitarianism, so now calling someone a Commie has little impact, except to expose how backward the caller is in their political thinking.

 

Here's the problem for GOPerLords. People want a better life for themselves and a MUCH better life for their kids. From 1940 to 1985, that is what the USA offered, but since the Reagan taxscam all the "new" income and wealth being created has gone to those in the top 10% and the non-supervisory workers are making LESS than their counterparts did back in the 1960's.

 

The danger America faces is NOT that we may provide all citizens with excellent health care, that profits created by the workers will be shared with those workers, that workweeks shorten and retirement comes earlier or that education will be come available to all as it was until the mid 1980's.

 

The danger is that the continuing redistribution of income and wealth from the bottom 90% will turn our democracy into an Corporate Oligarchy with everyone dependant on the whims of the Lords of Wall Street for our health care, education and retirement.


Well, since allowing people to keep a bit more of what they earned resulted in a near ruination of our nation, maybe we need a system in which all the money is owned by the government and it distributes it based on it's perception of need. 

 

Watta ya think???


Think you're still in denial.

 

It's NOT letting the bottom 90% "keep a bit more of what they earned" that has ruined the Nation because THAT has never happened.

 

What DID happen is the top 10% kept ALL the increase in profits earned by the bottom 90% for the past 40 years. The real wages of non-supervisory personnel has not budged since the Reagan Taxscam, but SUPERVISORY pay has jumped 300%.

 

THAT has ruined the Nation and moved us from #1 to the mid-20's in just about every measure of desirable attributes - our LIFE EXPECTENCY has DECREASED for the last 2 years while the rest of the civilized World is still INCREASING.

 

But Fox has told the Cult 45 everything's peachy with lil donny running the show, so they ignore reality and continue to gather for worship at his tiny feet.

 


FYI-"The top 10 percent of income earners, those having an adjusted gross income over $138,031, pay about 70.6 percent of federal income taxes."

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/10/18/rich-pay-fair-share-numbers/

 

The bottom 90% are getting a free ride!

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