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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by paulga

"You know, the idea of letting the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone except that richest Americans doesn't strike me as being unfair. "

The problem with this idea is the weathy in this country invest their money and do not spend it like everyone else.

The money they invest in commercial banks and savings institutions is used as "start-up" capital for new businesses who will employ many new people.

If you remove this "start-up" capital by means of government taxation, you will delay the economic recovery we so bady need by several years.

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by alotofgrey

You know, the idea of letting the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone except that richest Americans doesn't strike me as being unfair.  They are the one benefitting most from our system of government and should be willing to help it overcome the current problems, if for no other reason than to perpetuate those benefits they enjoy. 

These richest Americans got bailed out by the rest of us, and now are doing as well or better as they were before the economic crisis started.  But, those who oppose letting their taxes go back to the former levels are adept at making those of us who are still struggling feel that this is somehow unfair and dangerous socialism to boot.  These richest Americans have been skilled at making the very middle class they're ruining their staunchest defenders!  That means that most of us aren't very good at critical thinking, apparently, since we keep going for this idiocy.

Wake up.  Greed has been around forever.  It doesn't have the conscience you have.  It doesn't worry over what's going to happen to their children and grandchildren as you do.  It cares about money.  It cares about it so much it doesn't care who gets hurt as long as they can continue to amass it.  Quit helping them.  How many 200 ft. yachts and mansions scattered over the world does one person need?  And mostly at YOUR expense.  They don't need "defending", Joe Sixpack--it's we who need defending from them.  Develop a memory and remember Wall Street, the S&L scandal of a few years back, etc.  Stop abetting your exploiters, for that is exactly what they are.

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by axshew

Does Government have enough to pay its bills?

All this mush talk about taxes from those of us on the Right. I’m the only one that asks that Fiscal Conservative question. I’m beginning to question whether most of the voices that speak weasel mouth words of the Right actually have anything to do with Conservatism. So far, most of what I hear is just a bunch anarchist economic gibberish.

You’re a Liberal. I am not. We look at the “same thing” but from different aspects. I listen to what you and other Liberals have to say. Just about all I get from most of the others in the Right is the same unending parroting, droning fabricated economic baloney. I hear you. Sorry, can’t take time to talk. Just too busy responding to economic baloney.

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by afisher

Nope, not gonna happen, all your rhetoric might go over well when you talk among yourselves, but this is an open forum, and your BS that I just ignored in the past will no longer be given such a free pass.

You're the one with the rhetoric. The Bush tax cuts WILL be extended for all as they should be. I feel sorry for those who depend on government for survival and can't manage to take care of themselves. Why should a handful of people that worked hard all their lives SUPPORT a bunch of PARASITES? I am no longer going to give slackers a free pass either and YOU will have to learn survival on YOUR OWN!

"Say, you want to go to school - can you pay for it?"

So, you want ME to pay for it? Dream on. The Socialists/Marxists are going to be systematically shown the door, so learning INDEPENDENCE now would be a great idea.

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by NOTHAPPENING

Does insulting everyone who isn't of your political persuasion make you feel somehow superior?    Yes, I am offended as you attempt to put everyone in a single basket, ascribe a mentality to said basket and then summarily dismiss it as "beyond contempt".

So, "mr/mrs/ms. know it all"  what do you propose for all those who are out of work with a family to raise?  Say, you want to go to school - can you pay for it?  No...well to bad, let's see if we can find a minimum wage job for you, because our economy is too weak and fragile to actually be able to look to the future?

This is not wealth distribution, one of the great misnomer's recently perpetuated...well actually the GOP have used that lame argument for decades.  Long live fear-mongering, that appears to be the current GOP talking point and somehow if these individuals or families are taxed a single penny more, well the USA is done, finished, kabluey!

Nope, everyone get's the same tax cut up to the $250k income level and it is only those who make more will see a whooping 3% tax increase in those dollars over $250K.   But to hear from the Right...well that is just plain unacceptable, these wealth individuals want,  need  and most importantly DESERVE not equal but more!  Which is why the GOP don't want to separate the 2 tax breaks, because it just sounds whiney, "I need more"!

The saddest part of your argument is that you assume that all Democrats are uneducated and poor, living off of food stamps, which you should know is blatantly false. 

As other member's here who are similar to you, against all DEMS gleefully post a list of how rich the  Dem legislator's are.  Yep, we connect the dots and see that what you say on day 1 and day 2 apparently don't need to be rationally connected, it is all about just demeaning Dems and hoping that no one will challenge you.

Nope, not gonna happen, all your rhetoric might go over well when you talk among yourselves, but this is an open forum, and your BS that I just ignored in the past will no longer be given such a free pass.

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by OceanTraveler52

One poster has said we should tax the rich

Liberals DO NOT like a society where getting a good education and working hard provides a good income. They prefer that anyone successful be punished (with punitive taxation) and redistributed to the loafers and slackers so that everyone is destitute. In their mind, that is fair! Their slogan should be "Equal Poverty for All".

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by NOTHAPPENING

Government and our economic-system are two different “things”. I made an economic-system point. What government does “can-effect” our economic-system. Your concern for the subject of “Redistribution of Wealth” only has economic-significance if it impacts Supply or Demand. Regardless of what is done to our 5% nothing economic will happen.

 

Taxing the hoot out of the 5% may have big Government significance. It is meaningless to our economic-system.

 

Your philosophical dislike of something "Government-might-do" does not change the basics of Supply Demand Capitalism.

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by Sojourner579

 

Doesn't the Following analysis mean if we tax the upper 5% of wage earners, we are actually taxing supply (investment) which is the exact opposite of what we should do during a recession?

 

If you were taxing something that amounted to more than a bag of beans in the multi-mega-trillions available to Supply for investment. Snuff it, eradicate it. Our economic-system would not even notice. As I said, our 5% represents NO, 0, Nada significance to either Supply or Demand. The presence of that income and wealth is meaningless to our economic system.

 

Lower tax on the middle-class and Demand will increase. Supply will increase. Do something that does not change Demand and Supply will do nothing.

 

Taxing the 5% has no effect on Supply or Demand. Do something, do nothing. Regardless of what is done to the 5%, it will not impact our economic system.

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by Sojourner579

Let's see if I understand you.  According to your earlier post, we shouldn't raise individual taxes, we should follow the Japanese.  Yep, I read your earlier post. 

In that story, Japan will cut corporate taxes at some undefined point in time in the future and at the same time will raise their sales tax from 5 to 10 percent.  Is that your stance?   

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RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising taxes when the economy remains frighteningly weak.

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In Response to RE: Obamanomics is Making the Economy Worse. Only an ideologue would entertain the idea of raising t... by axshew

The people screaming about "higher taxes"

 

Many of us on the Right base our attitude concerning “taxing” on economic baloney. Be against taxing. Fine. Just do not make an argument that is supported by nothing more than fabricated economic garbage. We’ve had enough and more than enough of that.