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This has Obama's finger prints all over it...


That is an interesting phrase.  It translates to "I have no facts, no proof, but this is what I want to be so and I will make accusations until others believe me". I am CERTAIN you do not mean it this way so please, present your facts as well as this statement. 

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This story, from the Jan. 12, 2017, edition of the New York Times, was little-remarked upon at the time, but suddenly has taken on far greater significance in light of current events:

 

 

 

In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agenciesbefore applying privacy protections.

 

 

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

 

 

The change means that far more officials will be searching through raw data. Essentially, the government is reducing the risk that the N.S.A. will fail to recognize that a piece of information would be valuable to another agency, but increasing the risk that officials will see private information about innocent people.

 

 

 

 

One of the central questions behind the Mike Flynn flap that should have been asked but largely wasn't is: who was wiretapping the general? The answer, we know now, was the National Security Agency, formerly known as No Such Agency, the nation's foremost signals-intelligence (SIGINT) collection department.

 

 

 

Once compartmentalized to avoid injuring private citizens caught up in the net of the Black Widow (as we all are already) and her technological successors, the NSA was suddenly handed greater latitude in what it could share with other, perhaps more politicized bodies of the intelligence community. Why?

 

 

Let's call the roster of the bad guys:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15, according to a 23-page, largely declassified copy of the procedures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Previously, the N.S.A. filtered information before sharing intercepted communications with another agency, like the C.I.A. or the intelligence branches of the F.B.I. and the Drug Enforcement Administration. The N.S.A.’s analysts passed on only information they deemed pertinent, screening out the identities of innocent people and irrelevant personal information.

 

 

Now, other intelligence agencies will be able to search directly through raw repositories of communications intercepted by the N.S.A. and then apply such rules for “minimizing” privacy intrusions.

 

 

“This is not expanding the substantive ability of law enforcement to get access to signals intelligence,” said Robert S. Litt, the general counsel to Mr. Clapper. “It is simply widening the aperture for a larger number of analysts, who will be bound by the existing rules.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Throwing the BS flag on this one. "Widening the aperture," my old granny. One of the things about the IC is that "existing rules" are made to be broken whenever one of its unaccountable minions feels like it; these are people who lie and cheat for a living. And the genius of the Democrats -- something for the GOP to think about next time -- is that they were able to leverage the transition in order to change as many rules and embed as many apparatchiks as possible before formally turning over the reins to the new kids.

 

 

 

 

But Patrick Toomey, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, called the move an erosion of rules intended to protect the privacy of Americans when their messages are caught by the N.S.A.’s powerful global collection methods. He noted that domestic internet data was often routed or stored abroad, where it may get vacuumed up without court oversight.

 

 

“Rather than dramatically expanding government access to so much personal data, we need much stronger rules to protect the privacy of Americans,” Mr. Toomey said. “Seventeen different government agencies shouldn’t be rooting through Americans’ emails with family members, friends and colleagues, all without ever obtaining a warrant.”

 

 

 

 

Correct. But the Fourth Amendment went out the barn door along with all the pretty horses long ago. Google and Facebook and Amazon know more about you than the CIA or FBI ever used to. And most of the personal information is provided by... you. Think about that, the next time you "check in," post pictures of your loved ones and talk about your travel plans.

 

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-...

 

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This has Obama's finger prints all over it...

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jimc91:   @Panjandrum Could you and I agree that we need to have an investigation to determine the source of the Top Secret Confidential information leaks?

 

 

Sure, as long as it's public and includes investigating Trump's ties to Russia. Let it all hang out.

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Centristsin2010:  Neither is holding a National Security meeting in a restaurant.

 

 

Nope, and collaborating with Russia is pretty bad too. Smiley Happy

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@Panjandrum Could you and I agree that we need to have an investigation to determine the source of the Top Secret Confidential information leaks?

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jimc91:  Could this have paved the way for all the leaks that are jeopardizing our security?

 

 

No. Trump picked a fight with the intelligence community and now it's coming back and biting him in the backside. Drip. Drip. Drip.

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Former CIA analyst and retired U.S. Army Reserve Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaffer in an appearance on Fox Business said the leaks coming out of the White House will lead directly back to Barack Obama.

 

The Democrats and some anti-Trump Republicans want an investigation.

 

Schaeffer said, “be careful what you wish for”.

 

“I would put this right at the feet of John Brennan and Jim Clapper and I would go so far as to say the Obama White House was directly involved before they left,” Schaeffer said. “Ben Rhodes and those folks… The Democrats are behind this and some of the Republicans are involved with the leaks. So I say ‘Bring it on!’

 

This is the kind of thing they do in police states.

 

http://www.independentsentinel.com/former-cia-analyst-says-barack-obama-is-behind-the-white-house-le...

 

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Time for an investigation...

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@jimc91 wrote:

 

The National Security Leaks continue which is NOT good for the country.  

 

Neither is holding a National Security meeting in a restaurant.


 


"FAKE 45 #illegitimate" read a sign at the Woman's March in Washington DC, January 21, 2017.
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This rule change stems from actions taken by the Bush Administration.   Bush modified Executive Order 12333 to allow raw intelligence sharing by the NSA with other intelligence agencies, but subject to certain "rules" to be promulgated.   It took 8 years to make those rules.  But the impetus to this action was Bush's modified executive order.  It wasn't Obama's idea.  

 

https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13470.htm

 

Yes, it takes this long to get things done in the federal government.   

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Did the Obama EO expand the number of people that have access to Top Secret Confidential information?  

 

The National Security Leaks continue which is NOT good for the country.  

 

Was this by design in order to sabotage the incoming Administration?  It looks like it...

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