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Maybe a Socialist Style Pension , Paid Sick Days , Paid Vacation Days ,Lifetime Healthcare etc etc etc  would be a good start for ALL Hard Working Americans ? What do you think or is that just for the privileged Socialists ?


Two thoughts:

 - a person is properly paid based on the value he or she adds to the goods or services offered to the consumer. The cost to the employer includes the items you listed and they then reduce the hourly wage since they are part of the costs.

 

- What is a privileged Socialist?


See herein lies part of the problem - are entire Economic System can be reduced to only Two Thoughts - depending on your frame of reference - they could be

 

Good - Bad ..............Right - Wrong .............Socialist - Capitalist .......Republican - Democrat

 

Would that it was that simple

 

Most Americans believe that a rising tide should lift all boats—that as the economy expands, everybody should reap the rewards. And for two-and-a-half decades beginning in the late 1940s, this was how our economy worked. Over this period, the pay (wages and benefits) of typical workers rose in tandem with productivity (how much workers produce per hour). In other words, as the economy became more efficient and expanded, everyday Americans benefitted correspondingly through better pay. But in the 1970s, this started to change.

 

The gap between productivity and a typical worker’s compensation has increased dramatically since 1973Productivity growth and hourly compensation growth, 1948–2017

 

 

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Since 1973, pay and productivity have diverged.

 

From 1973 to 2017, net productivity rose 77.0 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 12.4 percent over 44 years (after adjusting for inflation).

 

This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

 

Why this happened—and how we can fix it

 

Rising productivity provides the potential for substantial growth in the pay for the vast majority.

 

However, this potential has been squandered in recent decades.

 

The income, wages, and wealth generated over the last four decades have failed to “trickle down” to the vast majority largely because policy choices made on behalf of those with the most income, wealth, and power have exacerbated inequality. In essence, rising inequality has prevented potential pay growth from translating into actual pay growth for most workers. The result has been wage stagnation.

 

For future productivity gains to lead to robust wage growth and widely shared prosperity, we need to institute policies that reconnect pay and productivity and restore worker power, such as those in EPI’s First Day Fairness Agenda and the Agenda to Raise America’s Pay. Without such policies, efforts to spur economic growth or increase productivity (the largest factor driving growth) will fail to lift typical workers’ wages.

 

Capitalism has failed the American Worker

 

Source - https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

 

 

 

 

 

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Do you have any mirrors in your home ?

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@mandm84 wrote:

Maybe a Socialist Style Pension , Paid Sick Days , Paid Vacation Days ,Lifetime Healthcare etc etc etc  would be a good start for ALL Hard Working Americans ? What do you think or is that just for the privileged Socialists ?


I was listening to a story about how a mining company, which paid its directors several million dollars last year, is now in bankruptcy.  They just won a court case allowing them to vacate their contractual agreements to provide healthcare to all their retirees.  My thought is that if the companies are abdicating their responsibilities like this, why do we depend upon them?  We need to have guaranteed health care, retirement, etc. and that means done by the government. 

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@mandm84 wrote:

Maybe a Socialist Style Pension , Paid Sick Days , Paid Vacation Days ,Lifetime Healthcare etc etc etc  would be a good start for ALL Hard Working Americans ? What do you think or is that just for the privileged Socialists ?


Two thoughts:

 - a person is properly paid based on the value he or she adds to the goods or services offered to the consumer. The cost to the employer includes the items you listed and they then reduce the hourly wage since they are part of the costs.

 

- What is a privileged Socialist?

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Now, about the postings of the Democratic Socialist of America - 

 

As to competition with the Dems - I don't think so. They are actually, as they say, a separate Party but they share an ideology (Marxism) so if they fielded candidates, they could create a problem but I don't think we'll see that.

 

They seem to put a lot of their future in the hands (and heads) of the youth. They may be right. It is easy to sell the young on impractical solutions - but, can you get them to the polls. We shall see.

 

They continue to use the term "Socialist" despite it's negative connotation. I admire that. They are honestly trying to sell their vision. Others try to cloak it - the "Green New Deal" is a good example. They even mentioned Debs - takes us back to the Wobblies and i believe there is one of them left out there - and posting here.

 

They deny true Communism in which the government owns and controls the economy. They seem to prefer a situation in which individuals continue to invest their money in the economy but it is tightly controlled by the government. That is fascism. And they do say "in the short term" so I guess true Communism is their ultimate goal.

 

They don't think that their concept of "pay based on need" would reduce incentive to hard work. Even Karl Marx knew that was stupid. That is why he proposed an indoctrination period of more than one generation to change how people think.

 

 

 


I don't recall anything in any of the proposals about how the pay level would be determined except that a person working a full time job should not require government support. 


Does that not establish a pay level?

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@rk9152 wrote:

Now, about the postings of the Democratic Socialist of America - 

 

As to competition with the Dems - I don't think so. They are actually, as they say, a separate Party but they share an ideology (Marxism) so if they fielded candidates, they could create a problem but I don't think we'll see that.

 

They seem to put a lot of their future in the hands (and heads) of the youth. They may be right. It is easy to sell the young on impractical solutions - but, can you get them to the polls. We shall see.

 

They continue to use the term "Socialist" despite it's negative connotation. I admire that. They are honestly trying to sell their vision. Others try to cloak it - the "Green New Deal" is a good example. They even mentioned Debs - takes us back to the Wobblies and i believe there is one of them left out there - and posting here.

 

They deny true Communism in which the government owns and controls the economy. They seem to prefer a situation in which individuals continue to invest their money in the economy but it is tightly controlled by the government. That is fascism. And they do say "in the short term" so I guess true Communism is their ultimate goal.

 

They don't think that their concept of "pay based on need" would reduce incentive to hard work. Even Karl Marx knew that was stupid. That is why he proposed an indoctrination period of more than one generation to change how people think.

 

 

 


I don't recall anything in any of the proposals about how the pay level would be determined except that a person working a full time job should not require government support. 

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GOP since at least Reagan have worked to demonized the word socialism and the ignoble donald supporters here are among that gang.    They are using all the trigger words to downplay that there are social programs in the US, that everyone likes, well except the far-right who troll nearly everyone that that doesn't want to destroy democracy so that oligarchs can run the country.  

 

As I described on another thread whene the able bodies white men who voted for donald have their SNAP funding cut, they may not be quite as happy to wear their MAGA hat, because it has done nothing to improve their plight.  


Actually longer than that. Way back in the day the Frankfurt School came to America and worked on the process to do a better job of installing Communism than the Russians did. They were theorists but the Progressive Movement was the "boots on the ground". As such they laid the groundwork needed to get us where we are today.

 

Also, remember, we had Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater long before Reagan.

 

BTW - as to "plight" - look at the employment figures.

 

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The correct headline for the link is...

This Year’s CPAC Is Obsessed With Socialism

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As they and all Americans that believe in our free enterprise system should be obsessed as the link called it.

And the source of the link is from HUFFPOST...figures!


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Now, about the postings of the Democratic Socialist of America - 

 

As to competition with the Dems - I don't think so. They are actually, as they say, a separate Party but they share an ideology (Marxism) so if they fielded candidates, they could create a problem but I don't think we'll see that.

 

They seem to put a lot of their future in the hands (and heads) of the youth. They may be right. It is easy to sell the young on impractical solutions - but, can you get them to the polls. We shall see.

 

They continue to use the term "Socialist" despite it's negative connotation. I admire that. They are honestly trying to sell their vision. Others try to cloak it - the "Green New Deal" is a good example. They even mentioned Debs - takes us back to the Wobblies and i believe there is one of them left out there - and posting here.

 

They deny true Communism in which the government owns and controls the economy. They seem to prefer a situation in which individuals continue to invest their money in the economy but it is tightly controlled by the government. That is fascism. And they do say "in the short term" so I guess true Communism is their ultimate goal.

 

They don't think that their concept of "pay based on need" would reduce incentive to hard work. Even Karl Marx knew that was stupid. That is why he proposed an indoctrination period of more than one generation to change how people think.

 

 

 

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